LittleGiant91

I would have to agree that the Wabash College camp is the best for the money. Coach Anderson has done a great job bringing in top notch clinicians every year. I have taken my teams to some big name (Big Ten) camps, in-state and out, and I feel like the Wabash camp is by far the best camp for the price. This year's headliner clinicians are Dan Gable and Henry Cejudo, with several other solid clinicians as well. We usually get about 11 or 12 duals in as well. Check it out at www.wabash.edu Go to the athletics page, then wrestling, and there will be a link to his camp brochure. Chris Ervin Crawfordsville H.S.

I have heard that Carmel won. Anyone have individual results?

Team Scores 1. Fountain Central (FC) 242 2. South Vermillion (SV) 233 3. Crawfordsville (CV)225 4. Southmont (SM)205.5 5. North Montgomery (NM) 179 6. North Vermillion (NV) 143 7. Rockville 62 (RV) 8. Covington 26 (CO) 9. Turkey Run 10 (TR) Congratulations to the Fountain Central Mustangs and Coach Chris Shoaf on a great performance! Individual Results Wrestler, School, record 103 1. Dalyn Farris , NM , 11-4 2. Dylan Rogers SM, 19-15 3. Clayton Hudson FC 20-13 4. Spencer Bishop SV 30-7 112 1. Briar Perkins, CV, 36-3 2. Dillon Scott, FC, 29-3 3. Caleb Dale, NM, 20-14 4. Dalton Burris, SM, 13-19 119 1. Joey Engle, FC, 31-1 2. Dalton Millikan, SV, 33-5 3. Graham Lough, NM, 19-16 4. Steven Simpson, SM, 22-13 125 1. Eli Moore, FC, 20-4 2. Adrian Smith, SV, 23-7 3. Hudson Miller, CV, 27-16 4. Ryan Mendenhall, NV, 14-13 130 1. Wade Bohannon, SV, 38-1 2. Andrew Mitchell, FC, 30-2 3. Steven Wilson, CV, 10-16 4. Jacob Morris, SM, 7-20 135 1. Brody Millikan, SV, 28-2 2. Dylan Robinson, SM, 19-8 3. Austin Blair, CV, 17-22 4. Derek Jackson, FC, 25-6 140 1. Nathan Whitlow, SM, 29-2 2. Caleb Arehart, SV, 32-7 3. Quentin Clough, FC, 26-8 4. Isaac Myers, NM, 18-18 145 1. Nick Baker, CV, 31-8 2. Ross Hoggatt, SV, 33-4 3. Ethan Myers, NM, 13-7 4. Brice Payton, CO, 20-10 152 1. Alex Worm, SM, 26-6 2. John Rogers, CV, 23-18 3. Jessy Hayes, NV, 22-10 4. Dusty Pike, SV, 16-17 160 1. Craig Fairley, CV, 32-7 2. Sam Shoaf, FC, 30-3 3. Ashdon Frazier, SV, 34-6 4. Eric Amey, RV, 16-20 171 1. Scott Moore, FC, 26-1 2. Michael Bennett, SV, 35-5 3. Jordan LeJune, NM, 16-13 4. Kyle Doan, RV, 15-21 189 1. Nick Hodges, SM, 22-1 2. Chaz Brock, CV, 36-3 3. Eric Houmes, NV, 34-1 4. Brad Pierce, NM, 10-5 215 1. Taylor Minick, FC, 22-10 2. Colton Snider, NM, 17-15 3. Ax Tuttle, NV, 24-11 4. Jordan Phillips, SM, 3-2 285 1. Dylan McBride, CV, 33-6 2. Caleb Miller, NV, 30-3 3. Trent Wallace, SV, 30-8 4. Jake Wimsett, RV, 23-13

Sagamore Conference Results @ North Montgomery H.S. 1-17-09 Team results 1. Lebanon 218 2. Crawfordsville 185 3. Southmont 180 4. Tri West 151 5. North Montgomery 145.5 6. Danville 7. Frankfort 8. Western Boone (Sorry, I didn't catch the team scores for the last 3 teams. ) Congratulations to Coach Bocock and the Lebanon Tigers on an outstanding performance. Also, thanks to Coach Minch and the North Montgomery program for running an outstaning tourney once again. Individual Results 103 1. J. Judy DV (5-3 dec) 2. C. Campbell LB 3. D. Farris NM 4. R. Bean CV 112 - 1. J. Julian LB (15-12 dec) 2. B. Perkins CV 3. A. Mocherman TW 4. C. Dale NM 119 - 1. J. Meyer TW (7-6 dec) 2. G. Lough NM 3. S. Simpson SM 4. K. Lafeber LB 125 - 1. C. VanCamp LB (11-8 dec) 2. B. Roberts TW 3. H. Miller CV 4. K. Varner FF 130 - 1. N. Beattie WB (DQ) 2. Q. Bealmear TW 3. B. Young LB 4. J. Lawson F 135- 1. A. Skelton LB (md 17-7) 2. D. Spriggs WB 3. D. Robinson SM 4. A. Blair CV 140 - 1. N. Whitlow SM (md 14-3) 2. D. Haak DV 3. I. Myers NM 4. D. Jones TW 145 - 1. E. Myers NM (6-4 dec.) 2. N. Baker CV 3. M. McKinney DV 4. B. Davis WB 152 - 1. R. Kolb TW (tech fall) 2. A. Worm SM 3. K. Wright LB 4. S. Brewer DV 160 - 1. Craig Fairley CV (7-5 OT dec.) 2. K. Van Camp LB 3. T. Kahl TW 4. D. Odle NM 171 - 1. J. LeJune NM (11-9 dec) 2. A. Western LB 3. J. Rager CV 4. C. Miller TW 189 - 1. N. Hodges SM (13-8 dec.) 2. C. Brock CV 3. S. Shwalter LB 4. D. Gadberry TW 215 - 1. Z. Nichols FF (5-2 dec.) 2. C. Snider NM 3. J. Boley LB 4. J. Martin SM

Sagamore Conference Results @ North Montgomery H.S. 1-17-09 Team results 1. Lebanon 218 2. Crawfordsville 185 3. Southmont 180 4. Tri West 151 5. North Montgomery 145.5 6. Danville 7. Frankfort 8. Western Boone (Sorry, I didn't catch the team scores for the last 3 teams. ) Congratulations to Coach Bocock and the Lebanon Tigers on an outstanding performance. Also, thanks to Coach Minch and the North Montgomery program for running an outstaning tourney once again. Individual results will be posted later. I tried earlier and had some technical difficulties. I'll try to get them up later tonight.

Joe, You raise some good questions. If you are not getting the mailings, that is a problem. I know the association does a good job of getting info to head coaches, but it sounds like they need to improve contact with other members. As far as meetings go, yes, I do know that the officers meet regularly to discuss various issues. Most clubs or organizations have "exectutive" or "board" meetings regularly. I personally have never felt like I was being left out, but perhaps we need to post the times and places of these meetings and open them up to all members. I know that JD announced at the fall clinic (and also has in past years) that we would be sponsoring the Scholastic Duals trip again. He opened it up to anyone interested and said to contact one of the officers if you are interested in joining the trip as a coach. For the All Star duals, I believe the "Coach of the Year" award winner is the "honorary" coach, but any coach who has a wrestler participating is allowed and encouraged to coach him in the meet. I probably just know some of this stuff from "hanging around" so long. The IHSWCA should probably make a point to publicize this information so our newer members are up to speed. I will mention it to JD Minch the next time I see him. CE

Point taken, guys. I'll try to use "nicer" words in the future. My only intention was to present both sides of an issue. Like I said, I think it is a healthy discussion and there is no malice intended toward individuals. CE

RE: Concerns: 1. I get no mailings(snail or email) about upcoming events or meetings. 2. I get no notification of the minutes at the meetings I don't attend. 3. I get no information on what is going on in the organization. 1. I regularly get mailings about all clinics. To my knowledge, the business meetings always happen at / in conjuction with the clinic. I will admit that they are often in the evening afterward and I don't often attend them. 2. To my knowledge, minutes are not sent out. Maybe this would be a good idea. 3. Personally, I have always felt that important issues were posted on the message board for discussion and were also brought up at the clinic and/or business meetings. I understand your concerns, I guess I just haven't shared those concerns. I've been happy with the Coaches' Association, but that is just my opinion. Mr. Hungus, as far as "getting personal" nothing that I posted on my earlier post or this one was intended to attack anyone personally. I don't know Joe or you personally, only from what I see on the message board. As I said earlier, I'm very impressed with this site and all that you guys are doing for the sport. I felt that the coaches association was being attacked and I was merely stating my opinion that I feel it is a good organization that has done a lot for Indiana wrestling. To me, it seems like a healthy discussion and I respect your opinions. Chris Ervin

Y2CJ41, First of all, I would like to thank you for starting this board and all of the others who are contributing. It is a great thing for Indiana wrestling. I have always enjoyed your posts, Pick'em contests, rankings, and other contributions to the "old" board. Obviously, you are committed to Indiana wrestling and Indiana wrestlers. I would like to address your earlier statements and complaints about the IHSWCA. "I would love to save the $20 or whatever it is and use it for the wrestling team since I have yet to see any benefit from being a paid, card carrying member of the IHSWCA. I get no mailings(snail or email) about upcoming events or meetings. I get no notification of the minutes at the meetings I don't attend. I get no information on what is going on in the organization. " This is my 18th season as a head coach . I have been a member of the IHSWCA for most of that time. Here are a few benefits that I have seen the IHSWCA produce for Indiana wrestling during my time (and from before my time). 1. The clinics that you mentioned. The ISHWCA brings in great clinicians twice a year and offers clinics to Indiana coaches in order to improve our knowledge of the sport and to stay on the "cutting edge" of current technique, training methods, etc. During my time, I have been fortunate to see numerous high school, NCAA, Olympic, and World Champions as well as Championship coaches demonstrate their best stuff. Where else do Indiana coaches have the opportunity to take in clinics like this at a relatively affordable price without travelling out of state? Yesterday, I read Dingo's blog about how well Indiana kids did last spring and summer against some of the nations best wrestlers. Where do you think most of these kids learned their skills? From their high school coaches, many of whom attend the IHSWCA clinics. 2. Brute Scholastic Duals - as mentioned by Dingo, the annual trip each spring that offers Indiana's best to showcase their talents against the rest of the country has been organized and sponsored from the beginning by the IHSWCA. 3. Academic All State - The IHSWCA originated this honor and does this as a service to our kids for recognition of their hard work. 4. IN-IL All star meet - Once again, the IHSWCA, in conjunction with the Illinois coaches' association, annually provides the opportunity for Indiana's best seniors to compete with the best from Illinios and showcase their talents for college recruiters. 5. Perhaps most importatantly, the IHSWCA is the group that is recognized as the voice of Indiana Wrestling coaches by the IHSAA. Approximately every other yeare, we are allowed to make proposals to the IHSAA to IMPROVE wrestling in Indiana. Although it seems like they rarely listen to us, here are a few of the improvements that I know to be direct results of lobbying by the IHSWCA. - 3 qualifiers from regional to semi-state (1986) - full wrestle backs at sectional (when we went to the "large" sectional a few years ago - 16 state qualifiers instead of 12( early 1980's) - 4 qualifiers from regional to semi state (this year) - placing 6, then 8 at the state finals (instead of only 4 ) - partial wrestle backs for 5th -8th (hey, it's better than nothing, which the IHSAA offered) These are just a few that come to mind. I'm sure there are numerous others that I am forgetting. In every one of these instances, the proposals were discussed and approved at the fall and/or spring clinic by the coaches in attendance. In addition, the IHSWCA annually sends surveys to all head coaches (including non-members) to survey their opinions on issues the IHSAA is discussing. NONE of the changes above would have happened without the IHSWCA proposing, fighting, and sometimes re-proposing and fighting again for them. Without the association, we would still have single elimination sectionals with only regional champs advancing to the state tournament and a single elimination state finals with the semi final losers wrestling for third place all in one day. As far as being rebuffed about getting involved, I am not going to dispute your claims. I just know that during the time of my membership, the officers have always been open to my suggestions and more than willing for members to participate and get involved. Joe, if you really want to get involved, I would suggest calling JD Minch (IHSWCA secretary - treasurer) and expressing this interest to him. He is a great guy who is committed to Indiana wrestling. I'm sure that he will help you get involved in the Associaion if you so desire. Lastly, to address the complaints about the board on the Coaches' site. I don't know the facts, but I have heard that it was a virus that caused it to crash. I don't know the specifics as to why it has not been fixed. This is a great forum, but that's no reason for people to bash the old one. Remember, it was started and maintained for many years by the IHSWCA so Indiana wrestling fans would have somewhere to discuss our great sport. Before that board, there was NOTHING! Thanks, again, Y2, for this great forum and all you do for the sport. We can accomplish much more if we all work together rather than against one another. Have a great day! Chris Ervin Head Wrestling Coach Crawfordsville High School