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  1. I will join again just like always because I'm a high school wrestling coach in Indiana.

    Why would you not join if you are a high school coach in Indiana?

    I will attend the Fall and Spring clinic just like always, because that is part of being a high school wrestling coach.

    You don't have to agree with everything the IHSWCA does, but as a high school coach at least join it. Then let your feelings be heard.

    Some of you young coaches don't realize how much the IHSWCA has done for Indiana wrestling.

    You may not like certain things here or there, but the IHSWCA has done alot of positive things for Indiana wrestling.

    You young guys don't remember the days when the state tournament was only 3 weeks with a big sectional and 8 regional champions advancing to state. Only the Champion advanced.

    State (8 man bracket) used to be first round losers out, semi final winners went for the title and losers 3rd and 4th.

    Then we got semi-state and top 2 advanced to state.

    Then we advanced 4 to State, if you lost sat morning your kid that beat you had to win to keep you in the tournament.

    Finally we got top 8 at state , sat morning losers wrestling for 7th and 8th and 6th,5th,4th,3rd how it wrestled out.

    This all came from input from the IHSWCA that some of you want to bash on this website.

    When we went back to the current tournament the IHSAA didn't want wrestle backs at the sectional, but the IHSWCA got it.

    Join the association and let your feelings be heard.

    Don't just keep posting on here, get involved and try and make a difference.

     

  2. It will be interesting to see how the IHSWCA Classed Team State plays out.

    The problem is it is not really a Team State Tournament because all teams in Indiana are not included.

    IHSAA Team State Tournaments include all IHSAA member schools.

    The IHSAA tournament doesn't care about power numbers or returning placers, every member school is included in the tournament.

    I think it has a chance to be another really good super dual tournament, but not a State Champion tournament.

    Will the IHSWCA give out Team Trophies and rings to the Champion and Runner-up?

    Will he Media recognize the Champions as State Champions?

    Will the schools have fire truck rides and a big homecoming ceremony?

    To me its just not the same as an IHSAA sanctioned event.

    Yes, it will stroke some egos to say you are state champions, but did you rally advance through a true team tournament?

    When you think of State Champion or State Runner-up, you think of Blue Ring or Red ring - IHSAA

    You don't think of IHSWCA, when you think of State Champion.

    Like I've said before, we let it go last year without even putting up a fight.

  3. If you are not the first, second or third seed  the next best seed is sixth. like what was stated earlier, that is a big gamble you will draw into the bottom bracket.

    Now the question is unethical - if you know your kid is going to wrestle and he qualifies by the criteria to be seeded then he should be seeded, no matter where he falls. If you hold this kid, knowing he is going to wrestle,hoping for a better draw, then you deserve to draw the number one seed in the pig-tail round.

    like stated earlier - if he has a good chance of wrestling he should be seeded, but if he has no chance of wrestling then don't put him up.

  4. ace2212, wish I knew who you were, always hate screen names and not knowing who I'm going to reply to.

     

    Yes we lift preseason and inseason, but who doesn't lift preseason and inseason?

    We also have weight training classes during school.

    We don't encourage our kids to cut weight - we follow the weight loss program, but none really cut weight, they just get in shape. Nobody today cuts weight like back in my day. If they do they are illegal by the new weight program.

    When a football player comes into wrestling he is in football shape, they will weigh a little more and most of the time it is fat weight, not muscle.

    When they come into wrestling and get into wrestling shape they are going to lose some fat and be lighter than in football, which is good.

    If they eat right and lift right after wrestling they will increase their weight after losing some of the fat, making leaning athletes.

    What throws this off also is if you look at their height and weight in a program it has been a "little fudged" and it looks like they lost a lot of weight. When really they haven't.

    No don't get me wrong, I love football too. I have coached football in Texas and Indiana. I have coached freshman football, scouted for the varsity and coached at the junior high level. In fact I coach the 7th grade at one our middle schools right now. I love to call the offense.

    I don't know where you coach, because I don't know who you are because you use a screen name. From my experience, football coaches not wanting kids to wrestle because they lose weight has been a problem.

    I always wonder how much they are losing out on by wrestling rather than hiding out in the weightroom. I would think you want your kids to learn how to compete, weights don't hit back!

    If you are at a small school I understand you - my son played football at a 2A school and small schools for the most part do a better job of sharing athletes, his team had upper weights and have some good upper weights this year.

    When our football coach encouraged football players to wrestle, when had some pretty good kids, a 7th Hwt and 4th 189 in 2010. When they didn't have a great season, he stopped encouraging kids to wrestle. The answer to losing was we weren't big enough. We nee to get bigger and if you wrestle that will hurt you - This is the battle I have fought for most of 31 years.

  5. No regionrat, I don't think it comes down to coaches or feeder programs.

    If an Adult (coach) tells a kid he needs to get bigger if he wants to play - it has a BIG influence on his decision if he is going to wrestle or go to the weight room in the off season.

    Most big time football programs think kids need to only lift and get bigger or they can't compete.

    The sad fact is these kids believe if they spend the time in the weight room and lift for football they are going to get big and make varsity and get a scholarship and win state.

    They think if they don't do what the coach tells them they won't play next year and someone will get ahead of them and take their spot.

    What they don't understand is if they are a player, the spot is still there and if they play another sport it may even increase their chance of starting.

    I find it ironic how many kids names that are called on friday night making big plays are kid who wrestle, but these kids coaches tell the team at the end of the season how they need to commit to the weight room and get bigger if they want to play.

    I have had so many kids not wrestle in high school after wrestling in junior high because they sat they need to lift and get bigger its unbelievable.

    These adults (coaches) have a BIG influence on their choices.

    I also understand its easier to go in a weight room and lift than go in a wrestling room and wrestle.

    There are a lot  of coaches who spend time with kids when they are young only to see them not wrestle when they get older because they have been told if they gain so much weight they will play next year.

    I also understand some kids will use the excuse to lift and get bigger and not wrestle because they just don't have the guts to do it. It's a great excuse to say "I want to lift and get bigger for football" than admit they just don't have the guts to do it!

    I have done this for 31 years so don't tell me it comes down to coaches and feeder programs.

    If a football coach encourages his kids to wrestle it will help your program, if not it's an uphill battle.

    I also understand that wrestling is a tough sport and today's kids are soft. It takes a lot of guts to go out and risk losing by yourself. Most kids today can't do it. It's easier to go hide in a weight room than step out on a mat and maybe lose.

    Don't make it seem so easy as it comes down to coaches and feeder programs.

    There are a lot of coaches working their butts off only to see kids not wrestle  in high school because an adult (coach) tells them they need to focus on one sport (lift and get big).

    I can't tell you the number of kids who say I wish I would have wrestled.

    Shouda, Wouda, Couda

    What a sad club to be a member of!

  6. Scott Miller - be thankful you have a football coach who encourages football players to wrestle .

    If he does then eventually you may get big kids, but if he doesn't you never will.

    Football and wrestling go together like no other two sports.

    It's too bad most football coaches don't get it.

  7. Why does wrestling have to be more closely aligned to the other sports in Academic All-State?

    I liked that the coach had to be a IHSWCA member and the wrestler had to be a Regional Qualifier.

    Being a Regional Qualifier did add more to both academics and athletics.

    It was said the reason we went to junior Academic All-State was because college coaches said they wanted to see it for recruiting reasons. If thats the case why not make it for State or maybe semi-state qualifiers only? How many of your average Regional Qualifiers go on to wrestle in college

    Like what was stated earlier if you want it to be fair to more kids then open it up to all High School wrestlers who have a coach who is a member of the IHSWCA.

    In fact, why penalize the kid who doesn't have a coach who is a IHSWCA member - make it open to all kids who wrestle period Junior or Seniors. Why do they have to be a Sectional wrestler?

    A lot of kids in other sports never see the field and get Academic All - State - lets more closely aline with other sports in Indiana. Open it up to all kids who wrestle in High School.

    If we are going to have a a classed team state next year - why not do a class Academic All-State.

    I hear a lot of arguments for class wrestling, why not class Academic All-State?

    Class wrestling is supposed to offer more opportunities to wrestle in college, then why not do a Class Academic All - State to give kids more opportunities to get scholarships and wrestle.

    I think its only fair if you have Class Team State, you should have Class Academic - All-State.

    We do a Class Team Rankings now without being class - why not do a Class Academic State?

  8. We have all been on the wrong end of a call.

    If the Referee conferred with the assistant ref and decide there was no takedown then so be it.

    It takes a lot of courage by the coach to make the call right , even if it hurts his kid.

    We all have been here.

    Its a fine line between winning and losing.

    I think the coach showed a lot of class in this situation.

    If you win, but won by skirting the rules - is it really a win?

    Wrestling is a none forgiving sport full of heartbreak and discouraging outcomes.

    It reflects life like no other.

    Some times you win, sometimes you lose no matter what the call.

    I think everyone learns from this event, no matter if its the referees call or your failure to succeed.

    Its not about the outcome - but the fight to win.

    live you win - lose you die - by the rules

    right or wrong

    its a judgement call

     

     

  9. how many sectionals only had 3 103 last year?

    I don't know.

    Is that a reason to cut the teams (kids) that did?

    Like I said before - if you don't have a 103 then you can't move someone up, but if you have a kid who weights 189+ you can move him up.

    Does this mean there are more kids at the upper weights? I don't think so.

    I think most teams are heavy in the middle weights, the new weight classes hurt them.

    I want the little kids, middle kids and heavy kids to wrestle. Just don't cut the grass root wrestling kids out.

    They are the backbone of our sport.

    The great thing about wrestling was every kid no matter his size had a chance to compete. The new weight classes cut out the majority of our kids.

    It has always been hard to get the big kid out because of football.

    Take care of our grass root wrestling kids is all I'm saying.

    If we need another big kid weight add it, even if we may have to forfeit it.

    I'm at a small 5A football school and have always had to fight to get the big kid out.

    If we have to forfeit or move kids up to fill the upper weights so be it, but don't cut the middle weight kid out.

    If we have to go to 15 weight classes to support the big kids then do it, even if we don't have those kids.

    Just remember most of our kids who wrestle, and only wrestle fall in the middle weights.

    The new weights don't favor the majority of kids wrestling in Indiana in my opinion.

  10. was it because there was no wrestler or the wrestler that advanced failed to make weight?

    I don't know because i don't follow this that well.

    if there was no wrestler at at all how many times has this happened?

    Like I said before, i you don't have a 103 you can't move someone up, but you can move a kid under 189, 215 or hwt up.

    That doesn't mean that there are more kids at 195, 215 or hwt, just that some people didn't have a 103.

    You can always move up an under weight kid in the upper weights.

    That's the flaw in the data.

    How many of these kids we move up are not really big kids?

    I want the big kids to wrestle, just don't cut out the majority of kids who wrestle and this is the only sport they compete at.

    There are a lot of good kids wrestling JV this year that could have been wrestling varsity this year that are left out just like 1995.

    This is my argument. We are hurting the most important kids in the sport of wrestling.

    If I'm wrong I'm sorry, but after 31 plus years as a coach I think I'm right on this one.

  11. Maligned -

    We need to get your info to David Cloud and try and get the weight classes back to being in the best interest of high school wrestling.

    I have no problem with adding an upper weight class, just don't cut the middle weight kids out.

  12. I have noticed the forfeits at 113 this season. I think moving 103 up to 106 has helped more kids that would have wrestled 112 rather than 103 make the pull this season. 106 is easier to pull than 103 for them.

    I have noticed more seniors at 106 then 103 last year.

    I don't know how the upper weights at al smith were but it has been weak everywhere we have wrestled this year.

    There have been a few athletic kids who dominated and a lot of average to below average kids in the upper weight classes.

    Like most years the upper weight class kids could have wrestled below their weight class but were moved up to fill out a spot.

    That's what flawed the the study - if you didn't have anyone under 103 you had no one to move up and had to forfeit, but you could move a kid up to 215 or Hwt and not forfeit. Thus, it looks like there are no light weights but the upper weights are full of 189, 215 and Hwt studs - which is far from the truth.

    If 103 was such a problem , why were there no forfeits at the Regional level? From the years of 98 to 103 I never heard of a forfeit at the Regional level. In fact I never heard of a Sectional that forfeited 98 or 103, maybe a few teams but never every team - there was always a championship match.

    In my time I have never heard of a kid advancing to Regionals by forfeit.

    I hope we go back to the old weight classes and maybe if we feel its needed add another upper weight class and go to 15 weight classes.

    The current weight classes are not good for high school wrestling. Cutting the middle weight class kids out is never going to be good for wrestling.

    I don't want to cut the big kid out either, but I hate to say it there are many more middle weight kids out there then upper weight kids who wrestle.

    Rather than take away - just add a bigger weight class if it is needed.

  13. my proposal for 15 new weight classes

    105 112 119 125 130 135 140 145 155 165 175 185  195 215 hwt

    If we want the sport to grow why not add weight classes?

    Why not give more kids the opportunity to wrestle? Even if  some teams may not be able to fill all the weight classes?

    Too many kids are being cut out in the middle.

    From every thing I have seen most teams are heavy in the middle weights.

    Give as many kids as possible the opportunity to wrestle. Small-middle-big.

    Most middle school weight classes have 16-18 weight classes, why not High school also?

    Get as many kids wrestling as possible.

    This would help the sport grow - if that is our goal.

    We went from 13 to 14 back in 1988 or 89, why not 14 to 15?

    Just my opinion

  14. Can't believe this thread has not had more hits.

    From what I have seen through the first half of the season is most kids are in the middle weights.

    A lot of the Varsity and JV teams in the meets we have been at the middle weights are full of kids and from 190 up are weak.

    Its just like 1995 when they changed the weights - it hurt wrestling more than it helped.

    I hope  re-evaluate this and make changes that are good for our sport.

    We have alot of kids 126-145 not getting to wrestle, while only a few kids are 190 - Hwt.

    When you go to most meets only the #1 or #2 kid at 126-145 are getting to wrestle and on the jv only  few 190-hwt kids get matches. There are alot of kids from 126-145 who may or may not wrestle at all if its a dual meet or dual meet tournament.

    Why go to practice everyday if you don't get to wrestle?

    I hope we address this as an association and make changes like we did in 1995.

    The changes in 1995 made no sense and the changes this season make no sense.

    I fear we are going to lose alot of good kids if a change is not made.

    In my opinion this is not good for wrestling.

    Just my opinion.

    What does everyone else think?

     

  15. This has not been a problem in our area either.

    I remember back in 1993 the injury timeout was an issue and the next year we had the rule change that on the 2nd timeout the opposing wrestler got choice.

    Dave are you serious you want a doctors note for inhalers? I'm still trying to figure out the no tape on headgear rule. How many rules do we need?

    If we have a rule for documentation for inhalers, whats next? contacts? we have had to stop a match for lost contacts before.

    How about blindness? - prove it!

    If someone is going to be unethical then they are going to be unethical. These people will always find a way to cheat the system. You can make a rule and they will find a way around it.

    I have had kids who use an inhaler and have kids right now who use an inhaler. I would put their work ethic and conditioning up against anyone. Don't tell me they can't wrestle because they have asthma.

    How big a problem is this really? I think all the headgear coming off because we can't tape it is a bigger issue.

     

     

  16. This post ask would you be willing to participate in a team class state tournament - I would expect allot of coaches saying yes is no surprise.

    I could have come to that conclusion without a poll.

    The question is how do you run a class Team State without IHSAA support?

    It would have to be a one event tournament - which means a select few invited.

    Every team in the State of Indiana would not be able to participate so how could you call this a Team State Tournament?

    Its an easy question to ask every team would you be in favor of this, but the bigger question is how you do it?

    Teams are locked into meets by contract, ADs don't want to to try and find new matches and it cost your school money if you break a contract.

    The only way to run a true Team state tournament is for it to be supported by the IHSAA.

    I wish all these teams and coaches who came on here and said they supported team state would have said something last year.

  17.  

    I also have been concerned about the IHSAA ending Team State since the first time they hinted at it. We warned our membership and like you stated most coaches didn't care because they felt they had no chance unless it was classed and asked for the IHSWCA to push for wrestlebacks. Here in lies the problem - we should have fought for Team State because without Team State being a IHSAA sanctioned event there is no chance to push for a classed tournament if that is what our coaches wanted. Now it has been discontinued and the IHSAA has washed their hands of it. They said we can do it, but knew it would be impossible without being a IHSAA sanctioned event.

     

    The IHSWCA has always fought for what the majority of our polled membership wanted. Wrestling in Indiana today is nothing like it was in the 1970s that I competed in. We have made a lot of major changes in the Individual Tournament and implementing a Team Tournament in 1996. The Team tournament was not perfect but it was what the coaches wanted back then. It was a major victory with the IHSAA. A classed team state back then and even now was not an option with the IHSAA. Don't think the IHSWCA didn't bring up classed team state or even class individual state, because it did. The IHSAA was never going to talk class because wrestling was by their definition an individual sport and no individual sports were going to be classed. We had won the battle for a team dual state, but don't ask for class because wrestling is an individual sport.

    What everyone fails to understand is if the IHSAA doesn't want class for wrestling, then there is no class for wrestling.

    If you want to be a sanctioned IHSAA event in wrestling then there is no class until the IHSAA decides they want to support it. Right now they are not ready to go there.

     

    Now a lot of people are jumping on here saying they want a Classed Team State - how are we going to do it and still fall within the IHSAA guidelines? They are not going to give the IHSWCA multiple waivers for weigh-ins so it has to be  one event. How is one event a team state tournament? classed or not? Everyone jumping on here thinks they are going to be involved in this event, but they are not. It will be by invite, who decides who gets to come? Are the best teams represented? I has to be all in and wrestle down from there to decide a true Team Champion, classed or not. Its not a true Team State Tournament. Who will host these tournaments without being IHSAA sanctioned events? There are a lot of boys and girls basketball games to work around. Where will the officials come for to call all these classed wrstling tournaments?

     

    Don't get me wrong, I drove 7 hours round trip to Indianapolis for a lot of years as a Regional rep, Vice President,  President and to some of you as a "good old boy" to fight for Indiana wrestling. I'm just trying to stir the pot and get some you young coaches involved. Fight for what our membership wants even if we may lose. The IHSWCA has fought a lot of battles our membership wanted knowing were were going to lose, but we still fought the battle.

    Last year we didn't fight for Team State because not enough felt it was worth fighting for. Now it is gone and how will we get it back? I wish we would have had this much concern last year, or even 6 years ago when we warned you this was coming.

     

  18. When I was running this morning I was thinking - why is there now all this concern about a Team State Dual Tournament and last year when we warned everyone the IHSAA was going to end it nobody cared?

    We talked about it at the Fall clinic and a committee was supposed to be formed to save Team State.

    There were no pleas for support of Team State or let's have meetings or lets take a poll of coaches that I remember.

    No coach who said they would be on the committee for saving Team State said or did anything. They never came on here and asked for coaches support or input in this matter.

    There was never another word about it until we got close to to Team State and the answer was lets get a lot of people there.

     

    Now we want support for a Team State because they (IHSWCA) says it will be a classed Team State?

    I get it - a lot of schools want classed Team State - the problem is the IHSAA doesn't!

    So we let them take the Team Tournament away without a fight because it didn't benefit me.

    Now we have coaches wanting to be vocal and support a Classed IHSWCA Team State tournament on here - where were they last year?

     

    If we had fought the IHSAA last year we might have won - kept TEAM STATE - now we have lost it and may never get it back. A lot of people don't know how much we fought just to get Team State because that was what our membership wanted. Like I have said before, who knows down the road we may have eventually got classed Team State  if that is what our membership wanted. The thing is it takes time to get it. It took  a long time to get the changes we achieved in the Individual tournament - it was going to take time to get them to see the positive in changes in the Team tournament.

     

    My point is - I see on these other threads these coaches saying they favor this class tournament :

    Where were they last year? Why not fight for Team State Last Year?

    It is not a all inclusive tournament - you have to be invited

    It is not an IHSAA sanctioned tournament

    It is really no more than another super dual tournament

    Do you really want to call yourself the Team Dual State Champion if not every school participated?

    If you want to be the State Champion it needs to be a IHSAA event

    and we let the IHSAA take that away without a fight

    If if and buts were candy and nuts everyday would be Christmas!

    What IF we would have put up a fight last year?

     

     

  19. I think alot of coaches care about it and alot of coaches don't care about it.

    The ones who care have experienced it going deep into the tournament and those who don't haven't or don't think they have a chance to experience it.

    I understand the ones who don't see any chance, it took us 25 years to beat Mater Dei and get there. It was an unbelievable experience to get to Center Grove.

    The problem is why not have fought to keep it even if you don't think it benefits your team. Now that its lost we have nothing to build on.

    The IHSAA was never going to class it until they felt it benefited them. Until they were ready to class all individual sports.

    Who knows if we had fought to keep it that in 10 years it might have finally been classed for those who wanted it classed.

    Now we will never know.

    Some coaches took the stand if I can't get there now then I don't care about it.

    These things take time. It took forever to get semi-state in the Individual tournament, then advancing more than  just the champion, then 16 to State, then a pull through wrestleback at State, Then a modified wrestleback to 5th, 6th,7th and 8th at State.

    If we would have stayed the course and continued to fight who knows what Team State might have evolved to. Maybe class for those who wanted it.

    Now we will never know because we let it go because we said "If it doesn't benefit me right now, I don't care"

    We need to fight for what is best for Indiana wrestling, not what is best for my team.

    That's what upsets me the most, we didn't even put up a fight, even if we were going to lose anyway.

    Keep fighting even if we might lose.

    That's what The IHSAA used against us.

    If we wanted wrestlebacks at Regional and Semi-State keep fighting for it even if the Executive Committee  would vote us down, if we wanted class team state keep fighting for it even if the Executive Committee would vote us down.

    Instead we changed each proposal year and the IHSAA used it against us saying "these wrestling coaches don' know what they want"

    Wrestlers are fighters - lets decide what we want and keep fighting until we get what is best for Indiana wrestling even if we know the IHSAA will vote us down. Keep going back and fighting until eventually we beat them down.

    We need to poll our membership, find out what the majority wants and fight until the end.

    That's the problem we didn't even fight - we just rolled over and got pinned by the IHSAA.

  20. Here is the problem the IHSAA said we (IHSWCA) could sponsor a Team State Tournament ( after they ended their support of team state) and they would give a waiver to do it. The waiver for competitions would only be for one event. How do you do a true team tournament in one event?

    To be a true team state tournament (all in, single or classed) would call for multiple events. The IHSAA would never give the IHSWCA this. The IHSAA knew this and knew it would be impossible to achieve without being a IHSAA sanctioned event. They knew we were spilt on single and classed and it would fail. We jumped on it hook line and sinker and didn't even put up a fight. The last times they hinted at ending Team State we had emergency meetings and put up a fight. This time we just took it.

    The IHSAA's wanting to end the Team Dual tournament was nothing new. They brought it up everytime we met with them and at our proposal meetings. They said give it up and we will give you wrestlebacks at regional and semi-state and go back to old format. We countered by saying why give up something we already have? Lets try and improve it so the IHSAA would support it. That is why the runner-up at Sectional advancing to team regional was eliminated to try and stop holding kids out at the regional which they felt hurt the integrity of the tournament.

    The IHSAA felt if only the Sectional Champions advance teams would wrestle their full squads. It didn't happen and it gave them more ammunition to use with the Principals on the Executive Committee.

    I agree we need to poll our membership and find out what they want. The only time we had almost 100% response was doing it at the Sectional Seeding meeting where all Head Coaches would be present. I think we need to do that again this year.

    The only way for it to work is if it is a IHSAA sanctioned event. The problem is we have lost it without a fight.

    How do we get it back? It took years to get what we had and it was lost without even putting up a fight.

    To be honest what does it mean to win a IHSWCA State Championship if it is not recognized by the IHSAA?

    We should have called for emergency meetings last year like we had done in the past and at least put up a fight.

    Now we just continue to fight amongst ourselves like the IHSAA knew we would and get no where while losing Team State.

    The IHSAA won and we lost.

  21. Here is the problem, most coaches, I think, like a team dual state champion.

    Most I believe want it classed.

    The IHSAA will not support a classed dual tournament, let alone a single dual tournament.

    The only way to have a Dual State Champion is to have all in format, not invite.

    The IHSWCA can't figure out how to do that single or classed to make everybody happy.

    The only way to do it right is for it to be an IHSAA event. Then the Principals and ADs would have to support it as a IHSAA member school. Thats what hurts us by losing the dual tournament in its current state. It took a long time to get 4 levels to the Individual tournament, then advancing more at each level, then some form of wrestlebacks.

    If we could have kept the Team Tournament it may have eventually evolved to a class tournament - when the IHSAA was ready.

    Now we will never know. Once its lost, I think its lost for ever. (I hope I'm wrong)

    The IHSAA will never support a classed team tournament until it is ready to class all individual sports.

    They told us back in 1995 that the individual tournament would stay the same - keep team score and have a champion when we started the team dual tournament. In 1996 they said only one champion and team dual is what the coaches wanted and no more scoring at individual state.

    We have to find a way to get the IHSAA to buy into a Individual Team Champion and Dual Team Champion and not compare us to other sports.

    We have to get other individual sports to propose class if we ever want to try and have a classed team tournament - if that is what our coaches want. The IHSAA will always refer to wrestling as an individual sport. So until other individual sports are classed, wrestling will remain a single class.

    If the majority of our coaches want class then that is what we should go after and fight for it.

    For me I like the Individual Tournament like it is with the only change wrestlebacks.  If the majority want class in a Team Dual Tournament, I support that as a member of the IHSWCA and will help fight for it.

     

     

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