MatDad21

Twin Lakes is looking for a head wrestling coach.

Did anyone else see in the third when it was 19-4 and Davis picked top Stevan have a smile and a wink to someone in the first row. That micic who wrestled Saturday is untouchable.

If gross and donaldson were top 2, no one would have said it were weak. Carithers struggled against Warner because Warner is good. They might not have any place, but imo any of the four could. I think because gross (who gave wilson a good mach, even if that was strictly a matchup issue) and donaldson didn't make it, I like our odds to get at least one or two placers out of this "weak" weight.

126

Johnson v. Denton (did he wrestle or default?)

Injury Default

Hopefully better by next weekend.

Looks like Denton had troubles with his shoulder.. Sad to see this happen, hoping for a quick recovery and look for him to bounce back next weekend! Anything can happen!

 

Impressive wins at 138-145 from west central! No one seen that comingZ congrats to Denton and fritz! Thomas had a nice match and wow! What a match from Garpow giving mote all he could handle. I knew doty wouldn't be a problem for him! 4 more matches.

 

Twin Lakes Sectional is representing itself really well! A lot better than the past. 5 champions so far

 

 

113- Logan

138- WC

145- WC

152- LC

160- TL

Looks like you're going pretty heavy on the Twin Lakes sectional and against historical trends. 

Most of my picks lean towards the TL Sectional guys, but heres what I got.

106  Miller, Davis, Bushong, Torres      Guess Miller gets it here. didn't watch sectional match. Was it close?

113  Porter, Jones, Hampton, Ordway  Porter looks good, haven't watched Jones in a while Know he's good

120  Carden, Brown, Lukaska, Grimes  ? Sure Unknown will comment here  LOL

126  Denton, Inman, Collier, Wireman  Like Inman beating Switzer here. 1st rd

132  Carithers, Widner, Alderman, Layer    Carithers  then all others very competitive.

138  Metcalf,  Atkinson, Denton, Schrock    (Conference score 7-4 Atkinson winning) again Unknown ?

145  Sigman,  Fritz, Armuth, Cox      My upset pick 2nd rd TL and Har.    TL and WC are 1-1 this year

152 Vanmeter, welch, Madson, stone

160 Thomas, Hedden, McGehee, Owens

170 Mote , Doty , Randle ,Garpow 

182 Wade, Wright, Hartlety, Pruitt

195 Winkle, Langley, Watts, Glassburn

220 Meyer, Elliot,  Oliver ,Houston

285 Duvall, Conley, Hopkins, Fitz    Duval wins pure size and strength.

Hope weather is good for all Regionals

Team scores

Twin Lakes     220

West Central          205

Lewis Cass     192

Logansport       155.5

North White     139

Winamac       84

Rensselaer Central  61

South Newton       58

North Newton       29

Pioneer       20

It's fine that others would do it differently from the poll you took, but you keep avoiding whether by the rule provided, the referee was in the wrong.  I'm not asking your opinion, I'm asking that after reading the rule and interpreting, can we agree that the referee in question was well within his right to make the decision he did.  All I'm saying is that the referee didn't deserve the criticism when he made the right call.  You may not have agreed or liked it, but he was well within his right.  I understand that not everything is black and white, and the grey world we live in provides referees some latitude, but in your son's case, the referee made the correct call, give the guy at least that much, if anyone is wrong it's you for blasting the guy for making the right call.  I promise you, this is my last response to the post, as someone who is regularly questioned by decisions I make with people's children, I feel for the referees out there, especially when they are right!

I'm not trying to debate you, but I am curious, after reading the rule that was provided, do you feel that this referee misinterpreted the rule and thus gave an inappropriate punishment as a result?  I understand it's your son and it is unfortunate that he didn't get the opportunity to win that 4th title, but in your initial post you give the indication that you felt the referee was in the wrong, I just don't see it that way.  Good luck to your son this post season, I hope he gets over that Friday night hump, he was right there last year, I mean this sincerely by the way, sometimes meaning gets lost in print.

My older son, who used to wrestle in Ohio had a teammate that got penalized in a similar manner.  He was wrestling the final match of a day of a 5 match dual tournament.    He dislocated his elbow in the 3rd period of a tight match.  He somehow kept wrestling and the match went into OT.  The kid had a high pain threshold.    The kid miraculously found a way to get a takedown basically with one arm and won the match.  It was amazing.  During the formal handshake,  the wrestler put out his good arm while his injured arm was tucked in to protect himself.    The losing wrestler intentionally grabbed the bad arm with the dislocated elbow and shook it hard.  Our wrestler of course gave him the  old "F Bomb you".    The ref immediately hit him with a flagrant misconduct and made him forfeit the match he just won and the four others that he won that day.

 

Ohio had the you miss the next meet rule, but didnt matter as the kid was out for the season.  That was one of the most bogus calls I have ever seen.  I guess with profanity, its subjective up to the ref how he calls it.    But I think the refs should give them the a warning and benefit of the doubt as the penalty is quite severe.  I hope there was no bias or malice towards Twin Lakes.

Bad referee?  He used inappropriate language, hurt or not, he has to own what he said.  It was clearly offensive enough for the referee to DQ him.  I tried to stay off this one because I know not everyone will see my point of view, which is fine, but we talk about this being a gentleman's sport and how we need to show respect and shake hands and on and on, but when a referee makes a judgement call and DQ's a wrestler for using inappropriate language, we attack the person who has the authority.  As the rule is written and interpreted, the referee was well within his right to make the call he did.  Look, the excuse that he was "injured" was used, however, it seems more like he was "hurt" considering he was planning on wrestling the remainder of the event, so perhaps the use of such language could have been avoided and this referee would not have been put in the position to make such a call.  Hopefully something is learned by the young man and he moves on to be a productive member of society.

Brian by my take on the rules(7.4.2) he should have received a warning and lost a team point, and then if it happened again, then be ejected and lose two team points.  Now if the expletive was directed towards the Official it would definitely be flagrant misconduct, but from what I heard that wasn't the case. Did they take away a team Point?  Sad when opposing coach would do that "just to win".

I really just wanted to get a feel if this has ever happened this same way before. Not really to Bash a terrible Ref. because i hate to type and dont want to go on forever. I do believe it is a hard job and there are a lot of great Refs out there. Just not this one.

Yes thankfully we wrestled Frankfort last night and could not wrestle. Of course it was senior night another thing that he will never get back.

How many kids has this happened to?  Please note was if this was because of a loss, got taken down, just out of anger or an injury and just slipped out.  Was it 1st offense of match or repeated misuse of language? 

I will start by answering my own question.  In the first 20 seconds of match Wrestler takes a shot and is injured yells and a profanity comes out. Referee calls for injury time comes to wrestler and says watch your mouth. Opposite coach walks to ref and complains did he just say (insert profanity here)?  Referee looks at our side and says DQ for flagrant misconduct done for the day.  This happened to my son going for his 4th conference title and had a good chance at doing so.

The way I understand it was a rule in which was misinterpreted or incorrectly applied. That is the nice way of saying it.  My way of saying it would for sure get me DQ'd from this site.

Brian we are looking forward to coming down next week.  Should be a great day of wrestling.  Better be on the lookout for the Viking faithful!!

MatDad21 do you know if there is anywhere I can see the final brackets?

Great day of wrestling thanks to all that helped to set up ,run and clean up after.  TL 10 Way this Friday should be couple of good Duals.

Pool A  Covington, Lewis Cass, North White, South Bend Clay, TL

Pool B  West Central,Carroll, Crispus Attucks, Frontier, North Putnam

Sturgill of Peru won 138, not Shrock, Logan

138#  It was a great match but Atkinson is just better.  Congrats to carithers for bumping up and taking the challenge.

106 Phan,Heb.    d13-7 White Ren.

113 Porter,L        TF17-1 Clark NF

120 Maddox,W    Md12-0 Quin P      Maddox looked  very good

126 Denton, TL    Pin1:42 Carden    Denton 4 time Winner of  TL 16 way

132 Kern, P        d11-10 Warner    Great match    other  Warner over Widner 4-2,Widner over Alderman 6-5, Kern over Alderman6-1. Alderman over Layer  pin

138 Sturgill ,P    d5-4 Shrock

145 Loe, P          d7-1 Hinkle Wes.

152 Welch, LC    d6-4  Madison Del

160 Thomas, TL  d7-3 McGhee LC

170 Mote, Del    d6-0 Ragains Frankfort  other Mote over Garpow 9-6

182 Hinkle, W    Pin 2:39 Troxel SBR      other Wade over Gray 4-2

195 Winkle, TL    pin 3:11 McDorman W      other McDorman over Cress 5-0, Langley over Cress 3-1

220 Elliott, LC    Pin 3:53 Graham Wes.

285 Hemmelgarn,JC Pin1:17 Shaw SBR

Twin lakes

Morales@120  8th

Denton @126  1st

Widner @132  3rd

Metcalf @138  3rd

Sigman@145  6th

Thomas@160  1st

Randle  @170 5th

Wade  @182 3rd

Winkle  @195  1st

Baker  @ 220 7th

looking forward to seeing

@132 Warner,Widner ,Kern, Alderman and Few others.  Best weight class if look at records

@145 Loe,Hinkle

@152 Madison,Welch

@170 Malone, Garpow and Mote

@195 Winkle, Cress

  SB Riley Always has few kids do well along with Western,Delphi and Peru

Always rooting for TL for a few upsets!

What teams will be attending? Predictions?

Nice Job Guys.  Did I hear the next one is going to be on Mondays?