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Please Seed these wrestlers.

Sectional seeding criteria,six are seeded.

 

Record.  Win%

A: 30-2 (93.75)

B:15-7 (68.18)

C: 14-7 (66.66)

D: 12-7 (63.15)

E: 17-10 (62.96)

F: 13-10  (56.52)

G: 11-11 (50.00)

 

Only one head to head or common opponent criteria is met.

WRESTLER G BEAT WRESTLER A

 

Please seed 1-6

 

Thanks.

This is easy.

B C D E F G

A is unseeded.  Next year A should transfer out of the baptist league and beat someone with a winning record.

Southridge bracket worked this morning. I still have it open on my phone.

Southridge does not work on my computer.

No, I am the C,A,B crowd along with maligned and decbell. You are adding in a factor that would change either scenario. Tsirtsis would be first in both categories because he qualifies for criteria C. Being a semi state quarterfinalist is ahead of win percentage.

According to the C, A, B crowd the head to head matchups would be as follows.

A = 0-1

B = 0-0

C = 1-0

This is the logic they use for seeding C ahead of B based on better head to head criteria (A).  If Tsirtsis were wrestler B he would lose criteria A to wrestler C and never get to criteria C.

The B, C, A crowd views the head to head as follows.

B = 0-0

C = 0-0

The next criteria that would apply is C and wrestler B (Tsirtsis) gets the one seed.  In the OP it would go to the next criteria (D) and wrestler B gets the one seed.

Everyone agrees head to head is the first criteria.  It is the application of that criteria (A) that is in dispute.

I am of the belief that head to head (criteria A) only applies when wrestlers actually wrestle head to head.

The C, A, B crowd think you can apply head to head when wrestlers don't wrestle each other.  (Wrestler B's record 0-0)

You do not list the Southridge sectional.  They are not available on the brackets page.

NO!!!!!!

If B was Jason Tsirtsis he would meet criteria C and be the number one seed as he is a returning semi state quarterfinalist!

In the scenario presented no kid was a semi state quarterfinalist so anyone talking about B being a state champ is not looking at the same scenario.

That is the logic I use.  Not the logic the C, A, B crowd uses.  According to them Tsirtsis would not get past criteria A because wrestler C had more head to head wins.

This is a ridiculous argument. You are applying skill to whatever record you choose. Why can't you just say c is the 3x defending champion and his losses came at the Ironman, Dvorak,Beast, and powerade?

It is a fallacy in your argument. There is no way to know what skill is possessed by an arbitrary letter assigned to a wrestler.

You shouldn't think about strength of schedule or any other intangible factor that might play a role. The seeding criteria is simply a WORDED ALGORITHM! Why don't we ask Mark Durham to run this simulated scenario with the seeding criteria and see what he comes up with.

I agree with you entirely.  You can't assign skill.  However, that is exactly what the C, A, B crowd says when they say the baptist league champ should not be the one seed.  I was pointing out that it can work both ways.

I would go B, D, C, A.

 

IHSAA interpretation is D, C, A, B.

Yes, and if wrestler B were Jason Tsirtsis his senior year the C, A, B, crowd would seed them D, A, B, C giving the best wrestler in the state the 3 seed since everybody forfeited to him during the year and he had no head to head wins.

The B, C, A crowd would not view the above scenario as a four person case but a two person case.  B vs. D.  Looking at it that way wrestler b (Tsirtsis) gets the one seed as he should.

I think the proper order should be B, C, A.

I follow the logic that A has no claim for the one seed.  This is not a three person case.  It is a two person case.  B is ahead of C because of win percentage.

People act as though B is the one who wrestled a weak schedule.  The opposite is just as likely to have happened.  B is the 3x defending state champ and undisputed number one.  A and C both forfeited to him during the season but wrestled each other.  According to the C, A, B logic the best wrestler in the entire state would get the 2 seed.

Of course in that circumstance wrestler B probably doesn't care and wins anyway but the point is he should be the one.  The C, A, B crowd would put him second

Once again the problem is this is not a three wrestler case, it is a two wrestler case.  Wrestler B vs. C.  Wrestler A should not be considered.

What were the scores from the following matches.

Schitter vs. Koerner

Hemmings vs. Bethel

Taylor vs. Kersteins

This is the most electrifying move in wrestling history.

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Who is the host this year?

 

I remember in 2002-3 ish I think bl south had a kid from Washington state come in and wrestle for them. I want to say he beat Blake Maurer at team regionals in Vincennes Indiana.

 

 

My memory is he beat Maurer the first week in December.  At team regional Maurer avenged the loss.

I know it is cliche, but Flair v Savage from Wrestlemania 3 was first rate.

Savage wrestled Ricky Steamboat in Wrestlemania 3.

Savage wrestled Flair in Wrestlemania 8

This is a wrestling forum.  You should know this stuff.

Indeed he is a red-shirt, but that is not the same thing as a true sophomore.  I understand it is the same age, but it is not the same number of years of eligibility.  Hence, if someone wins as a freshman, red-shirt or not, they have the possibility of winning four titles.  Where as someone who wins their first title as a sophomore could only win three titles.

You are correct.  The point I meant to make is Tsirtsis has the same amount of collegiate level practice right now as Howe had the year he won his title.  In that regard a redshirt Fresh is the same as a true Soph.  The hardest jump is going from the high school practice room to the college practice room, which is why true freshman rarely contend for the national title as Howe did his Freshman year.

Being Jason's first year on varsity, the big question will be how he handles the brick wall that many first year varsity wrestlers hit around mid January.  Since this is his second year in college he should be ok if he has his weight properly under control.

With regards to Escobedo, He won his title as a redshirt sophmore, which was his third year in college wrestling.

Has an Indiana wrestler ever won an NCAA title as a Freshman?

I just wanted to mention Tsirtsis is a redshirt Freshman.  Howe won as a true Sophmore, which is the same collegiate age as a redshirt Freshman.  Of course Howe finished second as a true Freshman.

Wow.  I don't know where to begin with what I have read in this thread.  I know a lost cause when I see one.  I fall on MattM's side of thinking and I'll leave it at that.

As for the two suspects in this crime, the one that is alive is a full fledged American citizen.  He can do everything ever other American can do except become President of the US (not born a citizen).

The other suspect (the dead one) is not a U.S. citizen but was legal.  He had applied for citizenship but had not yet had it approved.

The responsibility of this crime lies with the perpetrators and whatever ideology led them towards their actions.  Let's not lose site of that.

Also, the surviving suspect will likely be charged in Federal court and will be convicted and sentenced to death.  The only way he avoids that sentence is if he helps the Feds catch co-conspirators.  Then he will only spend the rest of his life in prison with no possibility of parole.

Just for comparison, when Lucas Oil opened the talk was IHSAA football state would NOT be at Lucas Oil due to the cost.  I don't remember the details, either a sponsor/donor came in to cover the difference between Lucas and RCA dome or Lucas dropped their rent fee for the facility just for the IHSAA.  Either way, if football barely can afford it I'm sure wrestling can't.  Nice to dream though.

working on flo mat 2

http://live.flowrestling.org/indianastatefinals/

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I can't get it to work says ihigh broad cast hasn't started?? Ihsaa mat 2 &3 say technical difficulties

Same here...however, the commercial works great.

How many mats do they run?

OSHA wont score a point on Molloy.  OSHA got best by Newforth Owen valley by a couple I believe.

I agree that Molloy should not have a problem with Osha.  Newforth was winning 8-2 at the time of his fall over Osha.  After that, I expected Newforth to challenge Brescher more than he did instead of a 13-3 loss.  Must be a odd matchup issue between Osha, Newforth, Brescher. (Osha has won 2 of 3 against Brescher)

What confuses me is the "no wrestlebacks" crowd thinks that to have wrestlebacks means supporting the belief that all kids should get a trophy mentality. Im not sure where this comes from. I, for one, am against the helicoptor parental belief that all kids deserve recognition but advocating wrestlebacks is not even close to "protecting Johnny's psyche" at all costs. What i want iw to see the very best going head to head at state and wrestlebacks is the only way that can be achieved.

I agree.  Having wrestlebacks makes it HARDER to make state.  Not easier.  Wrestlebacks means more wrestling.  More tough matches.  Wrestlebacks make it harder to EARN your spot.

I support wrestlebacks because I want all the kids to earn it on the mat and not just get a easy draw.

I have one prediction.

I will echo what a previous poster said.

I'm a fan.  When I go to state I want to know who the best eight wrestlers are.  Currently, eight wrestlers get to stand on a podium and get medals saying they finished somewhere from 1-8.  We don't get the best eight on the podium because we don't have wrestlebacks. 

I, as a paying fan, want wrestlebacks.

My predictions, mostly just chalk.

106:  Hurst, Thomas, Robertson, Simpson

113:  Koerner, Newton, Brock, Hillenburg

120:  Schitter, Graber, Burton, Ramirez

126:  Chevez, Glenn, Mundy, Butler

132:  Meza, Grissom, Rogier, Eckert

138:  Kersteins, Hurst, Drew, Meyerholz

145:  Osha, Brescher, Tedrow, Fetz

152:  Mundy, Stenftenagel, Waggoner, McClane

160:  Kreilein, Cobb, Owens, Michel

170:  Cissel, Wagner, Bostock, Harter

182:  Songer, Fischer, Roberts, Meade

195:  Valenciano, Revolorio, Hall, Allen

220:  Andry, Hoffman, Joyner, Merkel

Hwt: Schwoeppe, Davis, Buchta, Miles