aoberlin

Yes

I thought it was a weird call also.  But I heard the announcer say the first offense in overtime is a stalemate for hanging on the leg.  Not sure if that is true or not.  I also heard one of the announcers say Welch locked hands again when he was trying a cradle. 

Could not agree more.  Brown got robbed.  That situation almost NEVER gets called stalemate.

Was this the match that was in overtime when this happened?

I will take it to Pawn Stars and see how much I can get for it.

By far one of my favorite shows.

I just don't get why this is such a big deal.

Because it something to talk about in the off season.

Just tell me where the button is Mark!

I would "like" this comment.  LOL.  Thx.

I agree, but wouldn't mind this type of stuff being done out of the public view (not sure if it was or wasn't).  When the crowd, and especially kids can notice it, I don't believe it portrays a great image of respect and sportsmanship.  Though he jumped off the podium quickly after at least he (by force or choice) did showed up for the award ceremony and official placement photo.

Fair enough.  Not doing it in front the kids is a good point.

It is their medal they earned it.  So with that said, they can do whatever they want with it.

...sigh these topics never end well...while we are at it who would win in a fight abraham lincoln or rocky?

Whatever.  Rocky of course.  Abraham would have the reach but Rocky eats lightning and craps thunder.

I'll go out on a limb and say this. I'm betting that the NAIA finals had more excitement than the D1 will have.

It is all a matter of prospective.  It always helps when you have a dog in the fight.  And in my opinion there is no such thing as stupid wrestling, accept for the fake kind.

And silence is golden.

 

Sometimes things are better left unsaid. 

 

My personal favorite, stupid is as stupid does.

Pretty sure Fabio was being facetious.

Nice photoshop job Joe. 

Great stuff!!!  Congrats on a great high school career.

To clarify, control was not the issue and never came up. It was ruled no takedown because time had run out.

Hmmm... I thought control was always the issue when it comes to takedowns. 

I agree the ref got the call right but to raise his hand then take the points way was horrible.  To tell a young man he just won state and take it away?  Cruel...good call from what I seen.

I can agree with that.  Absolutely heart breaking.

I watched the video.  It was not a takedown yet.  I love the firemans.  And it is never a takedown until you pop your head out.  Great firemans though I would suggest grabbing lower on the leg and throwing the opponent more away from you so that the head doesn't get stuck.

why you keep calling me bigmark, its bigmak...like the samig (i know how to spell sandwich, i just like samig better)

My fault.  For some reason my mind always put a R in there.  I guess I am a little dyslexic. 

So you are Bigmak like

By the way a few Carroll kids did this quite a few years ago.

I would put my face to it.  But nobody wants to see that.    I got my wife when I was much better looking.

Andy Oberlin

Dekalb High School

I am glad we assigned bigmak to the IndianaMat welcome committee.

I say get em bigmark.

What does the word lobbying mean?  If it means greasing some hands with money then I feel FILA did nothing wrong.  Maybe this is an indicator that our sport still has morals.

Wow, if that doesnt tug at your heart you have some problems. What a fantastic story. Good thing they didnt raise the weight classes while he was in school  .

You beat me to it.

water bottles during a break in OT, too many coaches at the table

I know you were being tongue and cheek.  But I actually have a problem with these 2 things and would love a committee that would be able to address these things.  It is to hard for a ref to control everything around him and make sure the match is being scored correctly.  So yes I would love to see a coach that is crossing the line when it comes to things like this get punished for it. 

It isn't the coaches wrestling it is the wrestlers.  I can't stand a coach or referee for that matter that tries to insert themselves into the match.

Just one man's opinion/philosophy 

 

What is the point of HS again?  If we are a productive, capitalistic economy we will need a steady supply of competition, winner-takes-all attitude workforce.

 

The Grammy Awards are on TV at my house.  What is your stance on 2nd & 3rd place for artist of the year?

 

...makes me think of the 'Most Improved Award'.  Does this ever make you wonder 'how bad were they'?  At what age do we simply reward the best?  When is ok to say there is not second, third, etc.? 

 

I was fourth.  I realize that moment the horn went off that I gave enough effort for fourth.  My family celebrated that effort and the result that Saturday night.  Now, the reality was that I put in a 1st place effort on Sunday (in something other than wrestling).  The point is that losing taught me something that consolations would not have.

Not a bad argument at all.  We just differ on what the ultimate goal is for some kids.  My opinion is that for many of them it is punching the ticket and not bringing home the gold.  Other than that we are on the same page.

no

So you don't think it would help?

the ethics committee which aoberlin is advocating would exist to help implement wrestlebacks which would have given malcom a chance to go to state. I dont think hes talking about an ethics committee which could convene and actually address situations like the one  that occurred between ac and carroll. I could be wrong,  however.

No you are correct. 

What would it take for an ethics committee to be created?  From my understanding this would be a positive step towards working more with the IHSAA which in turn would hopefully help with getting wrestle backs put in place.

Also what power would they have and what are some examples of when they would enforce those powers?

Just to stop anyone from taking this personal.  I really am not talking about any situation in particular.  I am just very strongly in support of wrestle backs and there were quite a few instances that it would have been great to have yesterday.  And it is like that every single year.