catfish

Yeah, again, we're splitting hairs trying to separate them.  If you want to compare victory margins, then we have to bring in other results too: EMD 47, Memorial 9; Reitz 34, Memorial 24.  These matches happened just before Christmas--well after football.   If we're going simply on wins and losses, then they're all three at 1-1 amongst each other and the only option is to look at strength of victories outside of the duals amongst themselves.   Again, there's no way to say EMD is better than Reitz because we know what happened in the dual.  But there's also no way to say Reitz is better than Castle...and no way to say Castle is better than EMD.  So we go with the data we have available until the top team proves themselves in the tournament.  Catfish: I explained a couple more things in a p.m.  Thanks for your thoughtful posts.

Castle broke the tie.  Third ranked team comes out of the pack.  Castle improved again this year and seperated themselves from the  other two.  Coach Harmon and some of the lesser known wrestlers deserve a lot of credit for their improvement.  Castle does not have great numbers in their program compared to Reitz and MD, but he gets the most out of the one's he has. 

Harmon has to get a lot of credit as coach.  Warren and Castle 103 were pinned last time and lost in OT and by 1 point.  Daughtery 215 in first year of wrestling revenged earlier loss.  The guy can coach.

Castle wins 285 6-0.  It is sitting at a 12 point swing, so if the othere matches go the same it will tied.

9-3 Castle was 12-6 MD last time. 

9 point swing for Castle since the last match.  Should be close now.  Weikel avenges loss and Warren loses in OT after getting pinned last time.

Jon H,

Did you miss the SIAC meet.  The Evansville sectional is better, but you give no credit to Castle or their sectional.  You are picking with your heart and not your wrestling eyes.  Castle had 6 champions at SIAC.  You have Welch, Welch, Weikel, Rosebrock, Daughtery, and Daughtery all losing matches they won against their opponents.  You may get some of them, but you have your Reitz/West Side glasses on making that many upset picks.  20 0f 28 in the top 2.  Good thing the Castle sectional had a 3 #2 in state wrestlers and a #3.  Not to mention Rosebrock and Froelich top 8.  At least you gave Chad Welch a chance.

I know a Karl Hungus and the Rankings Guy are drinking a ton of this stuff

 

You two need to drink some Welch's grape juice and triple your pleasure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought Penn had a 103 that was ranked earlier this year?  Did he get hurt or did she beat him in wrestle offs?

Not naming weight class either.  It is not about who, it is about the integrity of the sport.

Slickrods,

If this bothers you, do not go to the Evansville Sectional this week.  There will be a wrestler that has a pattern of doing this.  They may have asthma?  They may get hurt alot?  They may just get tired?  Since there will be a lot of wrestlers there and teams, I am not naming the team or wrestler.  Just go to another sectional if it bothers you, because they always stop the match and let the wrestler that is at a disadvantage catch his breath.  Aggravates everyone that understands the ethics of hard work.

Thanks for the rankings work.  How many guys did you have ranked number one that won state last year?  What is the lowest ranked guy to win state?

My totally incorrect picks are as follows: Reitz with 4 firsts, 4 seconds, 3 thirds, 2 fourths.; Castle with 6 firsts, 2 seconds, 1 third, and 1 fourth.; MD with 2 firsts, 5 seconds, 5 thirds, and 2 fourths.  I don't know how the points are scored for the team portion, but I believe Reitz will win with the most placers.  Feel free to contradict me.  Champs

103 Hall

112 Kuhn

119 Moody

125 Henderson

130 Dowdy

135 Rueger

140 Chamberlain

145 Welch

152 Welch

160 Weikel

171 Boots

189 Rosebrock

215 Daugherty

285 Daugherty

MD85 You are impressive.  100% correct picks on the winning wrestlers at the SIAC tourney!

Weight: 103 

1st: Dylan Hall, Harrison 12 39- 2  Won 4-2 in Overtime

2nd: Gideon VanHook, Reitz 10 30- 4

3rd: Evan Vibbert, Mater Dei 11 20- 10 Won Forfeit

4th: Lorenzo Turi, Central 10 25- 7

Weight: 112  1st: Bryan Kuhn, Reitz 12 33- 0 Won 7-2

2nd: Luke Welch, Castle 9 26- 6

3rd: Logan Wedding, Memorial 9 31- 3 Won 4-3

4th: Sam Goebel, Mater Dei 10 17- 14

Weight: 119  1st: Trevor Moody, Reitz 10 34- 1 Won 4-0

2nd: Ryan Quinton, Memorial 12 24- 9

3rd: Jake Lannert, Mater Dei 10 24- 6 Won 16-6

4th: Hunter Oakley, Central 10 17- 13

Weight: 125  1st: Zach Henderson, Mater Dei 11 25- 3 Won 2-1 OT

2nd: Drew Sulawske, North 12 30- 4

3rd: Michael Brown, Castle 11 27- 5 Won 10-1

4th: Dylan Backes, Reitz 12 13- 7

b]Weight: 130  [/b] 1st: Derek Dowdy, Reitz 11 34- 3 Won 4-3

2nd: Quinn Schroeder, Mater Dei 11 25- 4

3rd: Zach Wolf, Harrison 12 37- 7 Won 7-6

4th: Jordan Mann, Castle 11 21- 13

Weight: 135  1st: Blake Rueger, Reitz 10 33- 1 Won 4-0

2nd: Evan Weinzapfel, Mater Dei 11 23- 7

3rd: Jon Keith, Central 11 23- 8 Won 3-0

4th: David Hodge, Memorial 11 26- 9

Weight: 140  1st: Austin Chamberlain, Central 11 31- 1 Won 8-5

2nd: Roy Whetstine, Memorial 11 28- 8

3rd: Trevor Doud, Castle 12 28- 6 Won 4-0

4th: Dakota Reed, Reitz 12 24- 12

Weight: 145  1st: Doug Welch, Castle 11 32- 0 Won 1-0

2nd: John Sims, Mater Dei 11 21- 4

3rd: Corey Voegel, Reitz 12 30- 5 Won Pin

4th: Matthew Prasek, Memorial 11 30- 5

Weight: 152  1st: Chad Welch, Castle 11 32- 0 Won Pin

2nd: Tyler Boyle, Reitz 12 27- 10

3rd: Bryan Hayhurst, Memorial 10 8- 8 Won 6-5

4th: Alex Schneider, Mater Dei 9 18- 7

Weight: 160  1st: Corey Weikel, Castle 12 28- 4 Won 6-3 OT

2nd: Dalton Brandenstein, Mater Dei 10 21- 5

3rd: Bo Rushing, North 12 22- 9  Won 6-3

4th: Cole Schneider, Reitz 12 20- 8

Weight: 171  1st: Josh Boots, Mater Dei 11 29- 1 Won 9-2

2nd: Austin Warren, Castle 10 19- 14

3rd: Mason Schnarr, Reitz 9 22- 12 Won 4-2

4th: Drew Miles, Memorial 11 11- 7

Weight: 189  1st: Alex Rosebrock, Castle 12 30- 2 Won 15-7

2nd: Ryan Sandwith, Memorial 11 26- 6

3rd: Jeff Fentress, Reitz 12 23- 8 Won 10-5

4th: Nathan Wright, Mater Dei 9 9- 7

Weight: 215  1st: Travis Daugherty, Castle 12 18- 10 Won 7-4

2nd: Justin VanWinkle, Mater Dei 11 25- 4

3rd: Jordan Adams, Memorial 12 17- 5 Won 11-4

4th: James Carter Vasquez, Reitz 10 6- 4

Weight: 285 

1st: Tyler Daugherty, Castle 12 30- 2 Won 1-0

2nd: Zach Wimpleberg, Reitz 12 28- 5

3rd: Neil Hammelman, Mater Dei 12 23- 6 Won pin

4th: Andrew Kuhlenhoelter, North 12 24- 8

Add three wins to Kuhn, Welch, and Welch.

I am just saying..... How can you be 26-1 (only loss was close to Cole Brandt ranked 6th).  Your dad was a state champ and you wrestle for Mater Dei?  Don't know who he has beat or if he deserves to be ranked.  Just saying.

Thank you Chambers.  Looking at the seedings, that is the only thing that made sense. 

Patience has been great on this thread.  When will this get updated like the rest of the state?

Could someone explain how this tournament is seeded?  Looks like the top 4 are seeded in order and then it is a blind draw?  There are forfeits that go to the 2 seed and the 1 seed has to wrestle.  I have always wondered how the seeding work at tourney's.

103 VanHook

112 Kuhn

119 Moody

125 Henderson

130 Dowdy

135 Rueger

140 Chamberlain

145 Welch

152 Welch

160 Weikel

171 Boots

189 Rosebrock

215 Adams

285 Daughtery

http://www.wrestlingusa.com/02%20wusa%20web%20root/allmajorpages/bestwrestlers.html

Castle 29-26

Castle is dealing with some injuries and did not wrestle Welch (ranked 2nd state) 152, Daughtery (ranked 16th state) 215, and Daughtery (ranked 6th state) 285.

103 Castle Forfeit

112 Memorial Wedding over Welch 4-3 in a close scramble

119 Memorial 7-2

125 Castle 4-0

130 Castle Pin

135 Memorial 8-0

140 Memorial 10-6

145 Castle 19-7

152 Memorial 5-0 Castle wrestled a Freshman

160 Castle 13-2

171 Castle 3-2

189 Memorial 13-1 Castle bumped Rosebrock to 215

215 Castle 8-1

285 Memorial Forfeit

Castle 29-26

Castle is dealing with some injuries and did not wrestle Welch (ranked 2nd state) 152, Daughtery (ranked 16th state) 215, and Daughtery (ranked 6th state) 285.

103 Castle Forfeit

112 Memorial Wedding over Welch 4-3 in a close scramble

119 Memorial 7-2

125 Castle 4-0

130 Castle Pin

135 Memorial 8-0

140 Memorial 10-6

145 Castle 19-7

152 Memorial 5-0 Castle wrestled a Freshman

160 Castle 13-2

171 Castle 3-2

189 Memorial 13-1 Castle bumped Rosebrock to 215

215 Castle 8-1

285 Memorial Forfeit

103 Did not wrestle (Yorktown heavy favorite)

112 Castle 4-0

119 Yorktown 9-7

125 Yorktown pin

130 Yorktown 11-1

135 Did not wrestle (Yorktown heavy favorite)

140 Castle I think in wrestleback (If not Castle favorite)

145 Castle 8-1

152 Castle pin

160 Castle pin

171 Did not wrestle (Yortown heavy favorite)

189 Did not wrestle (Castle heavy favorite)

215 Did not wrestle (Castle favorite)

285 Yorktown 5-3

I am glad you get the point I was trying to make.  Just for fun this is the way the Mooresville tourney matches went down.  With likely pins over freshman for Castle at 103 and 135 you can see where Yorktown would probably have won a close one.  As you can see, they match up better with Yorktown than they did with Mish (obvious), PM, and MD.

Based 0ff of these seeds did Voegel lose to Prasek?

Not necessarily. I am still a firm believer that the Evansville Trio could be competitive with 2, 3, and 4.

 

I realize that Perry and Yorktown have both beaten Castle, but I think it is simply a question of matchups.

 

Any of those teams could split 7-7.

Yorktown did not beat Castle in a dual meet.  Going on memory, Castle and Yorktown split 5-5 in head to head matchups at a 16 team tourney.  Castle would have been favored or finished higher in two of the other four matches.  I believe Yorktown would have won a 7-7 match with a few more bonus points.  It is tough to use tourney result the same as a dual.  Teams with 2-3 holes have a tough time keeping up in wrestlebacks.  Castle lost the SIAC tourney last year to MD and a week later were able to win the dual meet by a pretty big margin.