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Thought this was illegal by NCAA standards...

You can work a camp, you just can't trade your personal items for a tattoo like any other student on academic scholarship.

The NCAA is so far out of touch with reality that it's almost comical.

Go Buckeyes!!

I have been involved with wrestling as an athlete, coach and referee for almost 40 years and I have FINALLY figured out why wrestling is in the shape it's in...it's because the people involved in wrestling can't agree on anything. It's the attitude that if you don't agree with my opinion you are stupid (one person's favorite term), suffering from dementia, on another planet, don't have the best interests for your club, region, state, country, family, species, etc...

If you truly believe that wrestling being eliminated from the Olympic Games won't effect folkstyle wrestling in the USA then you have drain bamage.  ;D

Programs will be dropped at the university level and it will trickle down to the high school level. Less opportunities for everyone. I hope I'm wrong, but I would bet the farm on it.

Because we have done the same things over and over for years and years doesn't make it right. You just keep getting the same results...or maybe a little worse.

Tom Clark

Hey now two out of three Findlay alums can figure out the freestyle rules, myself and Hasseman. I am not even sure an Ohio State alum can count to three.

Tyrelle Pryor has a tattoo on his left arm, his right arm and his left calf. That equals three!

Then I blame a coach for not explaining how you win a period. It isn't rocket science by any means. 

1. Least amount of cautions

2. Bigger move(s)

3. Last to score

 

The scoring has not changed in ages with the exception of the push-out. It has always been 1 for takedown, 2 for turn, 3 for feet to back, etc. 

 

Again neither is rocket science and if you can't explain it then I have a hard time believing that you can coach a kid on the intricacies of locking hands or how to properly line up in referee's position.

He is a Findlay Alum so I can see where this might be a problem.

Very sorry to hear this....way too young.

In November of 2002, the year Cael graduated, there was an event in New Orleans called the Kurt Angle Classic. It was pretty much a dual with some FS and Greco matches for prize money. Cael wrestled Magomedov, the Olympic Champion from Russia in the feature match with winner earning $10,000. I refereed that match and watched as Magomedov had no way of stopping Cael's ankle pick. Cael won that match either 8-2 or 7-2. I don't believe Dake is ready to take on the defending Olympic Champion....oh wait, that would be Jordan Burroughs 

I have heard you are a proud supporter of the Puking Billy Goats and even sport their gear weekly.

Do you know where I can purchase an Eric Lopshire action figure or bobblehead?

All the information you will ever need on the PBGWC

 

http://pukingbillygoatwrestling.com/

That's actually more information than I would ever want.

Any of these going to be televised?

Channel Ocho Cinco in Panama City will once again carry the Pan American Championships. This will be broadcast live and in living color. Check your local listings.

Congratulations Sarah!

Lee Fulhart beat Cael a couple of times. I think the 2002 World Team Trials and the 2004 Olympic Trials. Cael came back and beat Lee to make both teams.

2013 FILA Rules

From Rick Tucci:

General Modifications for both Styles

1. Going out of bounds on their feet with any attack that started in the center will be a caution plus one point for fleeing the

mat and not just 1 point. This occurs, when a wrestler makes an action and the defensive wrestler goes straight out of

bounds. This can also be called if the wrestler makes no attempt to stay inside the mat and walks off to avoid wrestling, it

will be a caution and 1 point for fleeing the mat. If normal wrestling results in wrestlers going out of bounds, it will only be

1-point. The same as it has been in the past.

2. At the European's, pushing a wrestler out with arms extended and the defensive wrestlers was trying to stay in bounds,

the wrestler was given an "Attention" and no point was awarded at times. If wrestling was near the edge and the action

resulted in them going out even if there was a slight push was given 1-point as normal. This was called but never really

occurred more than one time in a match. The wrestler pushing the guy out was only given an "Attention" and was not

penalized. We will call as we have in the past and give the point for the step out but we will talk to the wrestler scoring the

point and indicate that he/she needs to be initiating a hold and not just pushing out. The second time it is seen this way,

an attention will be given and a possibility of no point awarded. Similar to Europeans but toned down for USA.

3. Clubbing the head - they did not want wrestlers boxing. If both wrestlers were slapping at each other but it wasn't to

bad, they were first warned verbally. If one wrestler got a good shot or slapping continues. The procedure is to give an

"Attention" and a stern warning. If it happens again, it would be a Caution and 1-point. Wrestling in a collar tie is fine, but

clubbing down on the head or getting a shot in is not allowed.

4. Posting on the head - this is when the defensive guy has his arm extended posting on the opponents forehead. This

was discouraged because it prevented scoring. The procedure would be to say "Open". Then stop the match, talk with

the wrestler. If continues, Stop and give an "Attention". If continues, then give a Caution and 1-point for fleeing the hold.

Sometimes, the first stop could result in an Attention. The wrestlers must be given an "Attention" before a caution and 1-

point can be given. The wrestler cannot put their hands in their opponents face to prevent scoring from taking place

would be addressed the same way.

5. Grabbing fingers and hands - This was strongly discouraged because it prevents scoring. The first time, the referee

should slap it off and say "Open, No Fingers." The referee should continue to talk to the wrestlers to stay off the hands. If

it continues, Wrestling should be stopped and the offending wrestlers should be given an "Attention." If continues, then a

Caution and 1-point would be given.

6. Fleeing the hold is mainly grouped under some of the above points (grabbing fingers/hands, posting on the head,

blocking the chest with forearms and hands, etc...), basically anything that is blocking and preventing scoring actions. If a

wrestler is blocking and not making an attempt to score, he or she may be called for fleeing the hold. The procedure for

this is to first stop and talk to the offending wrestler and tell them what the problem is. If it continues, then stop and give

an "Attention." If it continues after that, then a Caution and 1-point will be given. The important point is that these Caution

and 1-points that are given cannot be challenged by the coach. They also must be confirmed by the Mat Chairman for it

to be called. Also, If technical points were scored, the fleeing the hold call was not called as much. It was mainly called

when the score was 0-0. Also, once a caution is confirmed, the referee must look back at the wrestlers to see if any

actions were taking place. If something occurred and points were attained, then the caution would go away. If there was

no action or no points, then wrestling would be stopped and caution would be given. They didn't want a good action that

scored technical points to be taken away so a caution could be given. This is a judgment call by the refereeing team.

7. Head Butt - if it was intentional - it would be a caution and 1-point and eliminated from the match.

8. The Referees are to be very vocal during the match and are to stimulate action and scoring. There was a big

emphasis on using the FILA vocabulary during the match. Like "Red Action, Blue Head up, Red Open, etc..."

9. Wet Towels are not allowed in the corner between periods. The Referee will remove the towel immediately. If it

continues, they will remove the coach from the corner.

Freestyle

1. The consensus from the European Championships is that they do not want many clinches at the end of the period if

there is not any score. If there was more than 1 clinch in a match is was not good. Fleeing the hold was called more

often as a result. However, it was not called out of control and wrestlers were given the opportunities to score points. In

most cases, this did stimulate more action because wrestlers knew that they could be called and that may decide the

2013 FILA Rules

period. The refereeing team must look at who is trying to score points and who is trying block. This is a judgment call by

the team.

- The protocol is to stop the match, talk to wrestler seen as not being active or who is blocking - same as discussed in the

previous points.

- If the a wrestler continues to block (or grabbing hands, etc...), the referee will stop the match and give an "Attention"

This is important because it tells the wrestler and coaches that they are about to get called for a Caution and 1-point

- If it continues, then the referee will ask for a Caution and 1-point and must be confirmed by the Mat Chairman.

- This call cannot be challenged by the coaches.

- The attentions and cautions can be given anytime they are justified. The referee must stop and give the wrestler a

verbal "Attention" before giving a caution.

- If a second caution is given for fleeing the mat in the same period, it does not require an "attention". It may be given

immediately. This doesn't happen very often in a match.

- It seemed, that once a caution and point was given, the action of wrestlers picked up.

- There were still clinches, but they were cut down to 1/5 of the number that was done before.

2. Attack and counter attack - who's action was it? If the offensive wrestler maintains the lock that it may be only a 3

points for the offensive wrestler and not 3-2

(double leg - body lock) situation. This is still a judgment call by the refereeing team.

3. Clinch period - if three points of contact are made it is going to be 1-point - if a wrestler is put into a seated position it is

1-point - mainly the same as before. The one situation that was discussed on a video was a single leg by the offensive

wrestler and the defensive wrestler goes to a whizzer low on his ankle. The offensive wrestler has the leg, and the

defensive wrestler may have an ankle whizzer but if he is on both knees and 1 hand they will give the 1-point for the

offensive wrestler because 3 points of contact are made. This was really only called during the clinch and it is because

this is a special situation.

Greco Roman

1. Fleeing the hold - this was called with great variation at the tournament. If one wrestler was constantly blocking,

grabbing hands, not being open, etc.. The procedure would be the same as above. 1st - Stop the wrestlers and give a

warning. 2nd - Stop and give an "Attention." 3rd - Give a Caution and 1-point - this must be confirmed by the Mat

Chairman.

This was called throughout the Greco tournament. The feeling is that this will still be called but not at the frequency that it

began with at the European's. This will probably get called potentially twice throughout a 3 period match. Going to Par

Terre was okay. If a wrestler is constantly blocking and making no attempt to take hold, they could be called.

2. Position - there was an emphasis on stopping the wrestlers and talking to them about the correct position. They

wanted the wrestlers to be chest to chest and taking a hold. They did not want them forehead to forehead (which was

called the Freestyle position). They also wanted them to be open and not locking down on the hands and just pushing a

guy around. If a wrestler was just pushing, he would be stopped and warned.

3. Par terre - pause on blowing whistle- same as before

4. Any crawling is discouraged in par terre. They did not want the wrestlers moving much at all or working toward the

zone. If the wrestler did, the referee would say "Place" and "Attention." If the wrestler continued, then the referee would

ask for the Caution and 1-point

5. Any fouls that occurred during the 30-second clinch period were returned back to that position. If a leg foul occurred

during that time, once confirmed, it was stopped, points and cautions were given and restarted back in the same place.

They did not let the time run out of the period before the match was stopped.

6. Leg bent in par terre

- Official will slap away and say "attention" without stopping match

- If continues, caution plus 1 or 2 points depending on scoring attempt or not.

7. Grabbing hands in par terre - the referee should say "Open" and slap off the hand. If continues, say "Attention" and

slap again. If wrestler continues, then it would be a caution and 1-point

I hate hotdogs....I'm thinking my next venture will be Women's Beach Volleyball.

I disagree. Fighting off the bottom is one of the hardest things to do during a match and the psychological toll of being held down against your will is huge. A 1:59 spent beating on a guy, tiring him out and breaking his will is not wasted time.

Correct, it's called stalling on the top guy.  ;D

Keep in mind that the ESPN camera is not the "official" camera used in the video review. The "official" camera actually had a better view. Apparently, they saw something we didn't.

Go Bucks!

Tom Clark

I'm going with Taylor. Dake has been doing interviews right and left, tweeting, and God knows what else. He's out of his routine which is important at this level. Taylor is on fire with 4 pins, 3 in the 1st period. I just have a feeling Taylor is going to blow this wide open.

All the hype and all the talk...who ya got?

Only other guys to not make the finals after accomplishing it 3 previous times was Johnny Thompson and Randy Lewis both going 2-1-1-3 in their career.  Lest see if Matt McD can make it back to 3rd or if this setback is to much for him to mentally come back from.

Randy Lewis defaulted out to 7th place his Senior year due to one of the nastiest dislocated elbows in the history of wrestling.

The Pepsi machine was at a tremendous size disadvantage......

After losing to the wrestler from the Soviet Union at the 1985 World Cup in Toledo, Ohio I watched Mark Schultz throw his 2nd place award into the Maumee River. I recall thinking at the time that it took a great deal of athletic ability to throw the award that far. Mark rebounded to win the World Championship later that year. A couple of years ago I was sitting next to Mark at dinner after one of the sessions at the World Team Trials and I mentioned the above incident to him. He smiled and said he remembered it and he went on to tell me he is proud to say that he is NOT in possession of any 2nd place medals. In fact, he told me that he took 2nd at the Big 8 (now the Big 12) and that medal was on top of Gallagher-Iba Arena at Oklahoma State.

I have seen things like that dozens of times from guys at that level, I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's common.

Aj I would send it back.  The medal is just a display of the accomplishment. It doesn't change the history books.

 

Greco ref u act like u were there or something.

In fact, I was there.

Is it possible these wrestlers will be stripped of the title of Olympic Medalist?  I remember in the 2008 Beijing Olympics Ara Abrahamian returned his medal in protest and was stripped of his title, which he was later quoted as not caring about, and was kicked out of the games altogether.  I understand this is an entirely different scenario, but still risky nonetheless.

Ara Abramain, from Sweden no less, was the biggest jerk of an athlete that I ever encountered in 25 years as a FILA referee...and no, I was not involved in the match he lost in Beijing.  Each time he lost it was a conspiracy to cheat him (according to him).  He should have been thrown out of wrestling long ago.

Other than that I'm fairly neutral about the guy.

Tonte,

 

Just you wait, we will be coming down to roll with those South Side Dirty Butts soon!!!!!  See you Sunday!!!!  Tell your right hand man, I can bring the washer boards if he wants a shot at the Title!!!

A Leaner for 2!!  Ha Ha

 

Coach Weimer

Washer boards...for a minute there I thought you were talking about my abs...you have always been jealous of my physique.

You are forgetting that in many parts of the world most, if not all of the matches are shown either live or taped delayed.

The Olympic Games are more than TV coverage, more than selling the sponsors products, more than the glitz and glitter. I have been involved in two of them. The intensity and emotion doesn't compare to any event I have ever been a part of.

Yes money, greed and corporate sponsorships has corrupted the administrative side of it....but, that has nothing to do with the athletes and their dreams.

Some of you don't see the big picture....if wrestling is eliminated from the Games, administrators and AD's will make the cuts at the collegite level. In 1982 we had 128 D-1 schools competing, now we have 78. More cuts means less opportunities and it won't take long for that to trickle down to the high school level.

You think it's not a big deal...wait and see or should I saw read 'em and weap.

Tom Clark

I feel like I lost an old friend. I am also reminded how lucky I am to have been one of a very select few to have refereed an Olympic Games. Zach Errett and I are two of only 12 living referees to have represented the USA at the Games.

My thoughts also go out to the young athletes not only in Indiana, but all over the world, who dreamed of being an Olympic Champion.

It's a sad day indeed.

Tom Clark

If you have access to a Rules Book take a look at page 73, picture 58. This might be the hold you are describing. If so, it is a LEGAL head pry.

Tom Clark

IHSAA Rules Interpreter