thecomets

Can someone please explain to me how a wrestler undefeated in three years, state champ in last two gets a number 7 seed in semi finals. I'm not from the Lake Central Area but I'm talking about Gelen Robinson @ 220 lbs. What a joke !!!!!!

It would seem that everybody in the wrestling world knows that he's the one to beat except for the people who do the seating.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Abraham Lincoln

I have probably forgotten more about Indiana wrestling than some of the more eloquent posters on here will ever know.

AMEN

dang......i'm surprised you didn't see some side line action on that one.....i've seen parents come out of the bleachers for alot less.....looked like an audition for the wwf......lol......

YOU

RULE 7 INFRACTIONS

SECTION 1 ILLEGAL HOLDS/MANEUVERS

ART. 1 . . . A slam is lifting and returning an opponent to the mat with unnecessary force. This infraction may be committed by a contestant in either the top or bottom position on the mat, as well as during a takedown. A slam shall be called without hesitation.

IHSAA by laws

9-6 Member Schools Limited to One Tournament Series Team;

Member schools may maintain any number of teams in the same sport, but only one team may represent a school in an IHSAA tournament series.

I am very sorry for making a joke out of it.  I woke up Sunday and believe me, it was no joke!  I was very ill all day Sunday.

Memorial, Penn, and Jimtown all brought their own referees...

 

Should also mention all of them did a great job.

Karma

Comets,

 

This is the same for wrestling, basketball, etc.

Keep trying, maybe you will get a fact correct in one of your posts

IHSAA winter bulletin

Boys & Girls Basketball

C. Semi-States

1. A maximum of 12 players, 2 coaches, principal, athletic director/assistant athletic

director/girls sports director and 1 student manager, 17 in all, from each

participating school shall be enter tained according to the following plan:

a. Authorized expenses such as transportation, officials, help, etc. shall be paid

from the gross receipts.

b. Transportation ? authorizes an allowance of $5.00 per mile, per team for 1

round trip for each of the 4 participating schools, host school ex cluded except

where non-school facility is used.

c. Meals and Lodging ? No allowance.

d. Center School ? $250 ? school facility.

e. Pre-Tournament Meeting ? No allowance.

2. When a 1st balance exists, it shall be disbursed according to the following

plan:

a. $2800 or less ? divided equally among the four (4) participating schools.

b. Over $2800 ? IHSAA receives 100% of balance.

3. The Executive Committee shall audit all tourney reports.

4. The center school shall furnish a complete fi nancial report to the IHSAA and

each partic ipating school 14 days after the completion of the tournament.

The hosting school gets to keep 250 dollars for hosting a big regional or semi state.   All the other money goes down to the IHSAA.  Any profits they make come from concessions.  They do all the work organizing and staffing, and basically the ishaa gets the money.   

I thought all regionals (top 4 from sectionals) and semi states (top 4 from regionals) were the same size!  Is Merrillville a larger Semi-State than New Castle, Fort Wayne and Evansville?

I really hope people who don't honestly know the answer to this question don't try to answer it.  I do not know, myself.

IHSAA winter bulletin

B. Semi-States

1. Tournament expenses such as officials, help, etc. shall be paid by the center

school from the gross receipts. Expenses for hospitality rooms are not considered

as authorized expenditures.

2. A transportation allowance will be paid for actual qualifying participants if in

attendance (coach, assistant coach, student manager, etc.) based upon the

number of qualifying individuals, from each participating school according to

the following schedule.

No. Participants           Per Mile            Non-Part. in Attendance

1-3                                    .20                               2

4-7                                  .40                                 3

8-12                                .60                                3

13-14                             .80                                3

3. Meals ? A meal allowance is authorized for actual qualifying participants and a

specifi c number of non-participants if in attendance (coach, assistant coach,

student manager, etc.) based upon the number of qualifying individuals, from

each participating school according to the following schedule.

Mileage                No. of Partic.                   Non-Partic.

1-120 miles $5.00/person 1-3 2

121-250 miles $9.00/person 4 or more 3

251 miles + $12.00/person

4. Balance

a. Center School ? $200.00

b. Tourney Director ? $200.00

c. IHSAA shall reimburse center school when a deficit occurs.

d. Receipts from concessions shall be retained by the center school.

5. The center school shall furnish a complete fi nancial report to the IHSAA and each

participating school within one week after the completion of the tournament.

The new Assistant Commissioner will come from this list.  IMO

Nathan Dean, Jimtown

Tim Grove, North Knox

Nancy Alspaugh, Manchester

Mike Broughton, Jennings County

Victor Bush, Indianapolis Public Schools

Steve Cox, Beech Grove

Jim Diagostino, Tri-West Hendricks

Phillip Ford, Jay County

Ken Howell, Blue River Valley

Jed Jerrels, North Daviess

John Marks, Fort Wayne Concordia

Paul Neidig, Evansville Central

Pam Noble, Connersville

Geoff Penrod, Columbia City

Janis Qualizza, Merrillville

Debb Stevens, Caston

Deborah Watson, Fort Wayne Snider

Mike Whitten, Boonville

I don't think its a rerequirement to be a principal, maybe just school administration in general.  I believe a few of the assistants were former athletic directors prior to the job.  But, I agree it would help to find some wrestling friendly people to have a voice in the excecutive group and as board members.

Commissioner Bobby Cox Prior to joining the IHSAA, Cox had spent the previous 21 years as a teacher, coach, and athletic administrator in the Carmel Clay Schools.

Assistant Commissioner Robert Faulkens Faulkens had served as a member of the IHSAA Board of Directors since January 2009. He had spent 23 years in high school education including the last four as principal at Crispus Attucks

Assistant Commissioner Phil Gardner Gardner served 14 years as principal at Wes-Del and was a member of the IHSAA Board of Directors.

Assistant Commissioner Sandy Searcy Prior to joining the IHSAA, Searcy had been the girls? athletic director and girls? swimming coach at Bloomington High School North.

Assistant Commissioner Theresia Wynns Prior to joining the IHSAA, Wynns  had spent the previous 26 years as a teacher and administrator in the Indianapolis Public Schools and Warren Township Schools in Indianapolis

IHSAA By-Laws

15-2 During School Year Out-of-Season

15-2.1 Individual Sports (Cross Country, Golf, Gymnastics, Swimming, Tennis, Track, Wrestling)

a. Students may participate in non-school contests as individuals or as members of a non-school team in non-school contests provided that participation during school time is approved by the school principal or his/her designee.

b. Coaches, from a member school coaching staff, may coach students in that sport if NOT under the organization, supervision and operation of the member school.

c. Member schools may not organize, supervise or operate athletic practices or interschool athletic contests.

d. Member schools may not provide school-owned uniforms (jerseys, shirts, shorts, pants, singlets, or swimsuits, etc.) worn by the student in non-school contests.

15-2.2 Team Sports (Baseball, Basketball, Football, Soccer, Softball and Volleyball)

a. Students may participate in team sport contests as members of a non-school team provided no more than the following number of students, (i) who have participated in a contest the previous season as a member of one of their school teams in that sport or (ii) who are incoming freshman (and seek to participate on a non-school team from Monday of Week 5 until the date of the first authorized practice in that sport), are rostered on the same non-school team, at the same time. Seniors, who have exhausted their eligibility in a particular sport, do not count in the maximum number of students that can participate on a non-school team in that sport.

Baseball ? 5 Football ? 6 Softball ? 5

Basketball ? 3 Soccer ? 6 Volleyball ? 3

15-3 During Summer

Participation in all summer activities shall be voluntary.

15-3.1 During Summer

Whether summer athletic activities are sponsored by a member school or a non-school organization, students may participate so long as:

a. Participation is voluntary;

b. Merchandise and awards, other than those of symbolic value, may NOT be accepted for athletic proficiency. Students must remain an amateur.

Some IHSAA penalties for Sunday and after deadline offences

ABC High School ? Commissioner Ress reported the following action as a result of a violation of

Rule 15-2.2a

(Seven softball players participated on same team after deadline).

1. The ABC High School softball program is issued a warning.

2. The student athletes involved in this violation shall be suspended from participation in three softball games at the start of the 2011 softball season. It is the school?s prerogative to stagger these suspensions over the first ten games of the season.

DEF High School ? Commissioner Ress reported the following action as a result of a violation of Rule 9-

13  (Assistant girls? golf coach had a Sunday session with a member of the girls? golf team).

1. The DEF High School girls? golf program is issued a warning.

2. The IHSAA supports and accepts as appropriate the suspension of the assistant girls? golf coach that was

involved in this violation for the remainder of the season.

3. Due to the suspension of the assistant coach, the student athlete involved in this rule violation shall not be

Penalized

GHI High School ? Commissioner Ress reported the following action as a result of a violation of Rule

15-2.2a (Eight softball players participated on same team after deadline).

1. The GHI High School softball program is issued a warning.

2. The student athletes involved in this violation shall be suspended from participation in three softball games at the start of the 2011 softball season. It is the school?s prerogative to stagger these suspensions over the first ten games of the season.

IHSAA bylaws 15-3.4 Moratorium

Each member school shall observe a moratorium week starting on Monday of the week which includes July 4th, either IHSAA calendar Week 52 or Week 1. During this seven day period, there shall be no contact between athletes and coaches, and no athletic activities, including conditioning, conducted.

Joe or Chad

    If during a wrestling tournament a wrestlers (who went 0-2) parents tell you Li'l Johnny is riding home with his grand parents or an aunt and uncle. Do you still have responsibility for that wrestlers safe return? 

Ladies, gentlemen, boys and girls

UNLESS you are ready to place your real name on your post

LET'S NO TALK ABOUT ANY WRESTLER OR COACH BEING UNETHICAL  ???

Some other wrestling states don't have this issue

FROM IOWA HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION WINTER MANUAL

END OF MATCH PROTOCOL

The wrestling coach?s advisory committee has recommended, and the Board of Control has approved, that the Athletic Association develop a standardized end of match protocol.

At the end of any match, the following protocol shall be followed:

1. Referees should move quickly after a match to get in proximity of the two wrestlers to facilitate the handshake between the wrestlers and direct them to their respective team benches/corners.

2. The wrestlers shall shake hands and the referee shall declare the winner by raising the winning wrestler?s hand.

3. The wrestlers will then proceed to their respective team benches/corners without excessive celebration and without going to the opposing teams bench/corner.

4. Post match handshakes with opposing coaches are not to be permitted.

This protocol certainly does not discourage teams from going through the congratulatory line at the end of a dual meet.

Note to self

NEVER SAY SOMETHING BAD about someone AND never have a personal vendetta against Y2 :-X

9-4 All Organized Athletic Contests are Considered a ?Contest?

Participation of students in an organized athletic contest during the contest season with or against players not attending their school constitutes a game.

Organized Contest ? an assembling of persons for athletic competition, with or against individuals not presently in your school.

9-6 Member Schools Limited to One Tournament Series Team; Students May Only Represent Their Own School

Member schools may maintain any number of teams in the same sport, but only one team may represent a school in an IHSAA tournament series.

Varsity ? Highest team in a high school sport.

IHSAA 2011-12 By Laws

The size and undertaking of such an event was too much of a task and something that the IHSAA has a whole office to oversee, the IHSWCA lacks the personal to take on such a task, so any proposal that involves a qualifier of sorts is out of the picture

Hundreds of well run tournaments happen every year. DON"T try to re-invent the wheel! Use the IHSAA rules and have sites host that have run good tourneys in the past. Let the schools keep the profit for hosting.

TEAM Tournament CLASS SYSTEM

December 27 unless it falls on Sunday,

(Saturday Dec. 26)

CLASS A 8 TEAMS AT 20 SITES (4 mats required)

CLASS AA 8 TEAMS AT 20 SITES (4 mats required)

Team Regional December 29 unless it falls on Sunday,

(Monday Dec. 30)

Class A & AA 4 teams winner to Team State

1# allowance over scratch

Team State Finals January 1

(will not fall on Sunday until 22/23)

5 team round robin Class A

5 team round robin Class AA

No additional #?s over 2# growth allowance available Jan 1

Year            Round1     Quarters           Finals

12/13          12/27         Dec 29              Jan. 1

13/14          12/27         Dec 30              Jan. 1

14/15          12/27         Dec 29              Jan. 1

15/16          12/26         Dec 29              Jan. 1

16/17          12/27         Dec 29              Jan. 1

17/18          12/27         Dec 29              Jan. 1

18/19          12/27         Dec 29              Jan. 1

19/20          12/27         Dec 30               Jan. 1

20/21         12/26         Dec 29              Jan. 1

21/22          12/27         Dec 29              Jan. 1

22/23          12/27         Dec 29              Dec. 31

Yes my point exactly.  When I was looking into this last year when we had a larger team and also when other schools were wanting to send a V2 squad to our meets this is what Bobby Cox emailed me.

...

Tyson,

 

Each member school constructs schedules for each of their sponsored teams in each sport.  With regard to wrestling, a team may participate in a maximum of 18 dual meets.  That rule is applicable to every team the school fields and every individual within the program. Given your example, you may send your varsity team to a tourney and that event will count as two dual meets on the team?s total schedule and two meets for every individual that participates in the event.  The same holds true for every school sending teams to any sanctioned event.

 

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Thank you,

Bobby Cox

Assistant Commissioner

IHSAA

............................................................

When I asked him to clarify so I wasn't misunderstanding him..........

............................................................

Tyson,

 

The Association?s main concern is that no student athlete participate in more than 18 dual meets during the regular season and no team schedule has exceeded that number.  I believe it is bad practice for a school to create a second varsity team.  The reality of that is it is nothing more than a junior varsity squad.  I can?t imagine any coach not placing his best 14 wrestlers in any meet on the schedule that is deemed to be a varsity meet.  The practice of having ?multiple varsity? teams is deceitful and stands as a disservice to your sport and verges on unethical.

 

Sincerely,

Bobby Cox

Assistant Commissioner

IHSAA

IHSAA By Laws page 33

9-6 Member Schools Limited to One Tournament Series Team; Students May Only Represent Their Own School

Member schools may maintain any number of teams in the same sport, but only one team may represent a school in an IHSAA tournament series. Students may represent:

a. only the school in which they are presently enrolled;

b. only one school in any sport during a tournament series; and

c. only one team in an IHSAA tournament series

Regional?s could have wrestle backs for L's in R1 wrestle to face L's in R2 (cross bracketed) to decide ? place.

No 5th place matches

Alternate is last L to Champion or Runner up that didn't place.

Add 56 matches (2 hrs) to regionals.

Semi State could have wrestle backs R1 L out , R2 L?s wrestle to face R3 L?s (cross bracketed) to decide ? place.

No 5th place matches

Alternate is last L to Champion or Runner up that didn't place.

Add 56 matches (2 hrs) to Semi State.

What time did 285# finish at your Regional?s?

What time did 285# finish at your Semi State?

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