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All but Bracket A is up on the website.  15 Indiana  Teams competed at the Disney Duals this year.  This is how they placed at this National Team Tournament:

Community 1 - 36 teams total

Penn X-treme Gold - in Bracket A somewhere between 1-12 -

14. Falcon Blue - Perry Meridian

18. McCutcheon

19. Columbus East

28. Hamilton Southeastern

29. Bloomington South

Community 2 - 31 teams total

1. Yorktown

5. Huskies - Hamilton Heights

8. Westfield

9. Penn X-treme Black

13. West Noble

15. Center Grove

24. Penn X-treme White

25. Falcon Silver - Perry Meridian

27. Gold Greenwood

Center Grove wrestled twice on Wednesday, but fell short of their goal of making it to Thursday's competition.

Results:

10:00  Center Grove 21  Clay HS (FL) 34

103 - Schoettle 6-1

112 - Trulock LF

119 - C. Plake 4-3

125 - Legan 8-3

130 - Z. Hays 6-4

135 - Milton 11-9 OT

140 - James 2-6

145 - S. Hays 8-10

152 - Sabik 7-15

160 - Warner 6-12

171 - Harrold LF

189 - Keuhner 1-5

215 - Sappington Fall

285 - Ponder LF

4:00pm  Center Grove 17  Illinois Top Dawgs 43

103 - Schoettle 10-2

112 - Trulock LF

119 - C. Plake 12-3

125 - Legan 5-1

130 - Z. Hays Fall

135 - Milton 1-8

140 - James 1-6

145 - S. Hays 6-3

152 - Sabik 10-4

160 - Warner LF

171 - Keuhner 4-10

189 - FF

215 - Sappington 9-19

285 - Ponder LF

Center Grove Trojans had 10 All Americans -  Jordan Legan, Nathan Carmichael, Anthony Schoettle, Chris Keuhner, Justin Meredith, Matt Milton, Clint Plake, Derrick Harrold, Spencer Hays and Carson Sappington.  

Looking forward to next year's trip.

We wrestled one dual today to finish our pool.  The dual with West Noble was exciting to watch.  The wrestlers on both teams wrestled with heart.  I know the CG parents were proud and I'm sure the West Noble parents were too.

2:00pm  Center Grove Trojans 36  West Noble 42

103 - Schoettle 4-5

112 - Trulock LF

119 - C. Plake  Fall

125 - Legan Fall

130 - Z. Hays LF

135 - Milton Fall

140 - James  LF

145 - S. Hays LF

152 - Sabik Fall

160 - Warner LF

171 - Keuhner WBF

189 - Sappington Fall

215 - FF

285 - Ponder 4-20

Center Grove ended up 3rd in the pool and will wrestle on Wednesday at 10:00am

The scores may not be exact, but who won the match is:

8:00am  Center Grove Trojans 42  Skyline Sick Nasty (VA) 15

103 -  Schoettle 15-13 OT

112 -  Trulock WBF

119 -  C. Plake 6-0

125 -  Legan 5-3

130 -  Z. Hays Fall

135-  Milton WBF

140 -  James 3-9

145 -  S. Hays WBF

152 -  Sabik 8-6

160 -  Warner LF

171 - Kuehner 3-0

189 - Sappington 6-4

215 - Double FF

285 - Ponder LF

12:00Noon Center Grove 36  Collingswood (NJ) 21

103 - Schoettle Fall

112 - Trulock WBF

119 - C. Plake 9-11

125 - Legan 5-4

130 - Z. Hays 4-6

135 - Milton 3-8

140 - James 8-10 OT

145 - S. Hays 10-17

152 - Sabik 8-2

160 - Warner Fall

171 - Kuehner Fall

189 - Double Forfiet

215 - Sappington Fall

285 - Ponder LF

2:00pm Center Grove Trojans 28  Dakota Wrestling Club (IL) 41

103 - Schoettle 14-4

112 - Trulock LF

119 - C. Plake 4-19

125 - Legan 8-6 2OT

130 - Z. Hays LF

135 - Milton Fall

140 - James LF

145 - S. Hays Fall

152 - Sabik 4-6

160 - Warner LF

171 - Kuehner - 5-1

189 - Sappington 3-2

215 - FF

285 - Ponder LF

4:00pm Center Grove Trojans 40  Scorpions (IA) 22

103 - Schoettle 11-7

112 - Trulock LF

119 - C. Plake 7-12

125 - Legan Fall

130 - Z. Hays Fall

135 - Milton WBF

140 - James 1-14

145 - S. Hays 11-2

152 - Sabik 10-12 OT

160 - Warner Fall

171 - Kuehner 3-2

189 - Sappington 4-2

215 - FF

285 - Ponder WBF

6:00pm Center Grove Trojans 34  Ohio Silverbacks 33

103 - Schoettle 12-4

112 - Trulock LF

119 - C. Plake 9-10

125 - Legan 10-3

130 - Z. Hays 11-0

135 - Milton Fall

140 - James 7-1

145 - S. Hays Fall

152 - Sabik 2-14

160 - Warner LF

171 - Kuehner WBF

189 - Sappington 5-9

215 - FF

285 - Ponder LF

Isn't Center Grove one of the biggest schools in the state?  How did they get in the small school division?  Both Greenwood and Westfield are 4A football schools, so how are they in the small school division?

AAU officials were given the correct information on Center Grove's enrollment.  It was their choice to place Center Grove in Division 2.  You would have to ask them what their reasoning is.  We assumed it was because we were a first year team and lacking experience at the national level.  We also felt that they were trying to balance the teams between Division 1 and Division 2 since there weren't as many this year as in year's past. 

Congratulations Lowell.  It can only get better from here.

Why should any club be responsible to bring officals,  ISWA should contact and pay for them and please dont go to the local elementry to find them.

Where should the ISWA find officials if not in the clubs?  Are there officials out there that no one knows about? 

Alonzon Shepherd from Jeffersonville won all three styles at Cadet 105.  He had 13 in his bracket for Freestyle, 7 in his bracket for Greco and 7 in his bracket for Folkstyle. 

Mishawaka did a great job putting on their first tournament in twenty years.  Everything ran smooth and any minor issues were taken care of with a smile.  Thank you for allowing me to be a part of your tournament. 

I was watching Jason wrestle in the semi-finals.  He was far more technical than his opponent.  It was as if Jason had a plan and he was on autopilot.  What a phenom!!

From what I here if you want some college coaches to see your talent go to Virgina Beach there was quite a few college coaches and great comp.

Your are only hearing 1/2 the story.  College coaches are at both places.  Great competition can be found at either place as stated above. While I was in Iowa, I saw many college coaches that I recognize from Fargo from working on the pairings platform.    College coaches are only looking at Juniors and Seniors and a few underclass phenoms.  As MacDaddy said, just get out and wrestle. 

Does Va Beach seem like it drags out forever or is it just me? I know Iowa had at least 5 rounds done on Friday. My biggest thing with Va Beach is that you need to be on spring break to go because the kids are missing to many days of school.

The year my son went out to Virginia Beach to wrestle, he had to miss one or two days of school.   If your school has incentives for perfect attendance (skip a final, etc) this hurts your son's opportunities for these incentives.  Virginia Beach wrestles the under classman during the week and reserves the weekend wrestling for the Seniors.  Of course, this is by design for the college coaches.  This year in Iowa, the Cadets and Juniors had to miss at least one day of school since they wrestled on Friday - maybe 1 1/2 days if you consider travel time.   I believe both tournaments are two day tournaments, it's just that Virginia Beach starts in the middle of the week and Iowa starts close to the weekend.

Perry Meridian Wrestling Club is hosting a vertical paring clinic in preparation for their upcoming ISWA Greco/Freestyle Tournament.  The clinic will be led by an  Associate pairer from the ISWA.  I understand that Mooresville, New Pal, and Center Grove may be sending some representatives to attend this clinic.    If you were unable to attend the ISWA beginner's clinic the night before PeeWee through Novice Folkstyle State, this would be a great opportunity for you and your club. 

We were discussing this same question tonight while finishing up a day of wrestling in Iowa.  The competition is comparable.  We find more midwest and western states wrestling in Iowa (Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa, Kansas, North Dakota, etc) and it looked like in Virginia Beach there were more wrestlers from the east coast.  College  Coach are at both venues as well.  We decided the only difference is the weather.

Looks like a book I can add to my classroom library. 

There is no individual that accomplished what they did without teammates, coaches or their parents.  While its only the individual that is on the mat, there are many people that helped get the kid where they are. 

 

This cuts both ways. I think Boom444 put it best. There is a place for both. I believe it starts with focus on what is in the best interest of  each one of the individuals involved and the quality of the team will follow. This is not easily done. Sometimes individuals are sacrificed to benifit the team and with that I have problem. The individual hard work of a wrestler can be squandered by a few lazy a's who won't put out for either team or individual success. On an individual level you get out what you put in without having to carry the slackers. You work hard, you win, you earned it!! If you look at Nationals Team these are all guys who work hard individually and come together as a team. They are also the guys who advance to the next level. This scenario is the best of both worlds. Like  I said before it starts with motivated individuals. Sorry Y2,  my son got better by going to Camps , clinics, national tournaments  and wrestling school (ie--Overtime in Ill). They were classmates not teammates. No offense intended here but most high school kids do not see the big picture, therefore it is difficult to depend on them in wrestling as a team concept. Hope this all makes sense. If not zing away.

 

I agree.  To some, wrestling is something they want to do for 3 months a year and for others it's a 12 months a year.  How many HS teams had their whole team competing at ISWA Folkstyle state a couple weeks ago?  I bet there were none.  How many kids were the lone representative of their HS team at ISWA Folkstyle state?  I bet quite a few.  If this is truly a team sport shouldn't they have all been there working to get better for next year?

I understand that Mater Dei had their team at ISWA Folkstyle State except of course the seniors.  If I remember correctly, there  were 83 wrestlers that registered at the Evansville Regional Weigh-ins site and 40-42 were Mater Dei wrestlers. 

My screen name describes me:  I'm Italian and I am a mom. 

At the mat officials meeting (which is required attendance for any club hosting a freestyle meet, there were 4 of us there) last friday night Tom Clark and Mark Mundy gave the reasonings behind the pushout rule. The push out rule was put into effect to take the match out of the ref's hands and into the competitors hands. The passivity rule was being used and abused on the international level.

Thanks for the clarification.  Now I understand the reasoning behind the pushout rule.  My son continued to wrestle freestyle and greco until he graduated and in his college wrestling you will find him using some of the freestyle moves to get himself into a position of scoring for folkstyle competition.

I noticed the drop off when Freestyle and Greco changed the rules drastically.  I can't pinpoint the date but it is when the pushout rule started and the best out of three period rule started.  That was the year I saw a big dropoff in numbers.  When my son wrestled freestly he would have 30-40 kids at state and when the rules changed the numbers were cut in half.  Just my opinion.

I agree, when the rules changed the numbers started to drop off drastically.  I think that coupled with more folkstyle opportunities have contributed to the Olympic styles drop-off. 

My son really enjoyed greco and freestyle until the pushout rule was introduced.  He said the focus was one who could push who out of the boundaries.  It wasn't about skill anymore.  He continued wrestling those styles, but he wasn't as exited about it like he was before.

At the risk of being boo'd off the board.

 

If you ask any teacher, they will almost always say the single biggest reason why a student does well in the classroom is parental involvment. If we as parents took as much time to monitor our childs actions in the classroom as we do in their sports activities we would all be much better off. I am not saying that sports parents dont do this. Only that if you are going to push your child, you and they will be better served by our pushing in the classroom.

 

Tell it, brother!!!

 

As a teacher, it is painfully obvious which students get support from home and which students have parents who either don't care or don't know how to support them.

I agree.  It's not just about what you do on the mat.  It's mainly about what you do in the classroom.  A college isn't even going to look at you if you don't have the grades or the SAT scores.  My son made it to state one time and placed third.  He was a Cadet All-American and a Junior All-American at Fargo.  His sophomore year he lost to Cashe Quiroga in the round to go and his senior year he lost to Camden Eppert in the round to go otherwise things may have been different.  He is now wrestling at the University of Chicago.  Yes, this is a DIII school, but it's all about academics and my son is wrestling in college.  DIII is no bunny walk either.  You have wrestlers there that have decided to put education first and wrestling second.  It is a competitive division.  My son is getting 85% of his college tuition paid for by grants and aid from the school because of his grades.  Don't bank on being a three time state champ or state placer.  You never know what kind of draw you will end up with each year.  Work hard on your grades and character.  It's a win-win situation no matter what happens with your wrestling.  It is a work ethic that will be with you for life.

This weekend at State since they are wrestling two age divisions on Saturday and two age divisions on Sunday, only one gym will be used and staging will be easier since everyone will be in one gym.

They allowed university wrestlers to bump down to junior

 

Is this even allowed?

no

Center Grove Central 23     Perry Meridian Middle School 74

70- B. Tiffany L dec 5-7

75- K. Genday L mdec 0-8

80- N. Laux L pin

85- L. Hays W mdec 11-2

90- M. Thomas L pin

95- A. Wheeler L dec 2-4

100- A. Schoettle W mdec 8-0

105- D. Wheeler L dec 0-3

110- C. Johnson L pin

115- L. Hutson W pin 1:00

120- B. Wethington L dec 5-10

125- L. Morris L pin

130- J. Kuechler L dec 5-8

135- L. Battle L dec 0-5

140- D. Biddle L mdec 1-14

145- N. Rodriguez L pin

155- M. McKee L pin

165- D. Dallas L dec 4-5

180- S. LeMasters L dec 2-9

210- J. Anderson W dec 7-5

240- J. Vance L pin

HW- D. Ponder W pin 2:15

Center Grove Central had 5 wins, and 17 losses

Center Grove Central    67    Center Grove North  28

70- B. Tiffany  L mdec 4-12

75- K. Genday W dec 6-2

80- N. Laux WBF

85- L. Hays W mdec 12-0

90- M. Thomas W mdec 13-0

95- A. Wheeler  L pin

100- A. Schoettle W mdec 13-2

105- D. Wheeler L dec 0-6

110- C. Johnson W mdec 10-0

115- L. Hutson W mdec 9-0 

120- B. Wethington L dec 5-10

125- L. Morris W dec 8-2

130- J. Keuchler L pin

135- L. Battle L dec 0-5

140- D. Biddle L dec 3-7

145- N. Rodriguez WBF

155- M. McKee W pin 1:50

165- D. Dallas WBF

180- S. LeMasters W pin 1:21

210- J. Anderson WBF

240- J. Vance W pin :55

HW- WBF

Center Grove Central had 10 actual wins, won by FF 5 times and had 7 losses 

There are 89 Teams in D III competing in 9 regionals. There may be some independent teams but I am not sure. I believe there are a few more  wrestling progams at D III schools which are not listed in these 89. At  7 Reionals only the Champion recieves an automatic berth to the NCAA Nationals and some wild cards are awarded according to the strength of your regional. These wild card spots are decided by a committee of the Head Coaches from that regional after the regional tournament has conluded. The two toughest Regionals Iowa and Great Lakes each recieve automatic berths for champion and runner-up with Iowa(The Toughest Regional) recieving a total of 33 and Great Lakes a total of 26. Since there are ten wt classes Iowa recieves 13 wild cards and Great Lakes 6 wild cards.Furthermore you must wrestle for true 2nd from the wrestleback bracket When it is all done you will have 11 auotmatic berths per wt class plus wild cards . This means you will have at least 1 wild card per wt class but you could have 9 or more if a wt class where that strong. Just to be an NCAA Qualifier at this level is no small feat. For example at 125 in the Great Lakes Regional Nationally Ranked #1 #4 and #11 were there and as you can imagine they finished in that order at the regional #11 (if I have read this right) Did not get a wildcard bid. You must remember rankings are arbitrary he was on the bubble and got bumped. Now that is exclusive. You are going to have to really work hard if you want to be an All American at this level! Jimmy placed 6th which we felt was exceptioal as a freshman but he knows he has a long way to go if he is to reach his goals.