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189 in the '90s, Talementes (FW North) vs. Bolden (FW South).  I  believe they both ended up at the same college, too (for a semester  ).

St. Elmo's before the finals, Palimino when we arrive on Friday.

Best part of MSA was that you could walk around the entire arena and never take your eyes of the action b/c the aisles were not cut into squares by the rails!

I am the only one that still refers to it as the 'Big Dance'?  That is part of whole, "This is your Valentine's Day weekend, dear!"

The best referees (and most professional) don't read the board.

They certainly don't need to see their names here to know they are good at what they do either...

Go get 'em, Kayla!

Anybody's weekend, but I am pulling for Petrov.

I'll admit that I am a casual fan and know far less than most on this board, but am I wrong in thinking that everyone on here is overlooking the possibility either will not have a cake walk in the 2nd round match against Van Hook?

first time caller, long time listener...

So, who does this benefit financially... ???

So black and white symbolized black/white calls.  Grey is like the calls we are gonna get...

No one commented on the uncomfortable situation the boy is in while wrestling a girl.  Would Kayla not have an advantage, concerning the uncomfortable situations both are in at times (crotch, chest, etc.), since she wrestles boys at every meet and in practice.  As a father of girls and boys, I personally would not want my daughter on the mat with boys in those situations.  I also have much respect for the boy from Iowa that declined to wrestle a girl due to his beliefs even though it cost him a chance to win a state title.          

I am a man, and wrestled men... I am not comfortable with some of the wrestling positions I ended up in many times.

As for saying girls vs. boys... well, I want my three girls to know that they can be a female CEO, a female president, a female in charge of _____.  Just because a woman has never done it before isn't an excuse for my girls to not do it.  Funny thing is, if a woman has never done it, that means only men have.  If we didn't challenge the gender lines were would woman be today?  'Leave it to Beaver' is off the air.  Grow up, get on with it.  

I get away with it by telling my wife that Valentine's Day is coming and I am shopping!

Favorite quote at Conseco, "I can see your a man that knows his shaved ice..."  Sold me the last two on his tray for 9 bucks!

The best news is that after all of us have forgotten your words... 'Miracle' will be on the records books forever.

GO KAYLA!

A lady qualifies for the state tournament

- For discussion sake...

 

1- Does this make the argument that the Merrillville Semi-State is the 'toughest' a little weaker? - If it does is that fair?

 

2- Was she that good today, or were the boys this morning wrestling that bad? TechFall and 10-0 is pretty darn dominant

You obviously haven't made the parade of champions yourself.  You have disrespected every opponent she has beaten this season, as well as, the entire female gender.  Do you realize that if there was a female wrestling option she would likely have been a 4x-er?  Would you talk about any of the male 4x-ers this way?  Anyone who has qualified for state would respect the family's sacrifice to get to this point.  It is obviously hard for a male (as all those who are playing baseball or track on Monday would tell you).  She has overcome things that boys wouldn't understand.  Why would you take that moment away from her with such a post.  When the parade of champions starts I am going to stand and applaud her for earning her place among the men.  You sir, are what is bad for wrestling.  Your comments make wrestling weaker and less respected.  "Better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt..."  fool!

why shouldnt the response be for the officials to get better and train and work on their craft?  that is what coaches and wrestlers are told...it seems officials always get a pass and common answer is for someone else to get their license.  refs are paid profession, not a volunteer.  i am not saying they make much, but they do get paid.  and for the record, referring a wrestling match is not easy, and I believe it gets harder as the wrestling advances in the state tournament.

Amen...

It bothers me a lot more when they hug.  Especially after a really bad match  :-\

Good job, Sarah.

90% of the experienced, qualified officials would issue an immediate unsportsmanlike conduct for a first offense of this, but wouldn't issue a flagrant unless it was persistent and/or inappropriate language, etc. 

For the record, I agree with Hornet Coach's comment following this quote 100%  There is only one appropriate response to this situation and Maligned hit it.  In the few instances I have seen like this the coach actually thanked the official when it was over b/c the kid disrespected the coach the same way.  If the education system and families are preparing young men like they should we are ultimately preparing them for a job (and to lead a family).  If they don't learn how to handle emotions and respect authority then what are we really preparing them for...?

At least he was thinking...  :

There are refs that have the philosophy, "call what happens & stalling doesn't 'happen'!"

Cha-cha-chargers of Elkhart Memorial

I heard some refs talk about a clinic a few years back talking about counting shots.  I think inexperienced refs rely on this thought process too much.  What are the wrestlers doing in neutral?  Avoiding the 10 ft circle?  Blocking the other wrestler?  Simply defending the other wrestlers offense without countering with offense (ie snap down/go behind)?  Thats what the refs should be looking for.

 

Some kids are not good at shots and that is not their offense.  Have you ever heard a coach say "Stalling on Red!!! He hasnt attempted 1 throw!"  So why do we hear "Red hasnt taken any shots"

 

 

Even in a staring contest one is working harder than the other...

Football has a play clock, basketball has a shot clock, wrestling has stalling.  People don't pay for a staring contest...  However, I don't believe there should ever be a hard-and-fast way for calling stalling.  If I have a six point lead, or even a three point lead, there is a reason.  You have to understand that at high levels of wrestling referees main job is to get a clear winner.  If a wrestler in the quarter finals gets a three point lead he should be able to 'defend' that lead.  He should not be allowed to flee, avoid offensive attacks, etc.  But, it is up to the losing wrestler to push the issue.  Sometimes you will see a match when the loser is laying on his belly and the wrestler with the lead is just laying on him.  As a referee, in this situation if both guys are happy with the score, so am I!  Stalling, if called uniformly is wrong, it takes a confident official who can follow the course of a match mentally to get stalling right.  When called right it is a beautiful thing.  On many occasions I have seen an official call stalling on a kid, the kid responds and scores offensive points.  A good official then turns to the coach and says, "half of those points should go to me."  A good official calls stalling when an athlete is preventing the progress of a match (0-0 score, zero offensive points).  If he is up by 4 in a tight match, the other guy better be helping sell that call by pushing the issue.

In college we wore an Iowa style singlet witth the word SPARTANS across the leg in yellow. I had a teammate who started warming up for his match with black tights, knee pads, knee high socks and all black shoes.

   As soo as our head coach saw this he called him over, and with the straightest face possible he said "you aren't good enough to make a fashion statement. Go take all that $hit off or i'll forfeit your next match."

Gotta be Coach Jarmon.

I heard a coach, from a school that rhymes with 'elta', tell a ref once that he needed to grow some ba!!s to referee wrestling.  He didn't see the rest of that tournament.

Does anyone remember the crazy mom video a few years ago?  "Rip his  head, Patrick!"

He is not stalling, he is doing everything he knows...

Coach to the ref, "How do you spell your name?"  Ref, "R-e-f."  Coach, "Just like you referee!  With no 'i's'!"

College coach talking to a kid that was cutting a ton of weight, quit the team, binged on mom's cooking for two weeks and came back to the team...  Coach, "J/C son, are you awake or are you so fat you can't open your eyes?!  You look like you got stung by a bee!"  ;D

Coach to ref who just called a bite...  Coach, "I have never heard of a kid getting kicked out for licking someone!"  Ref, "Coach look at these teeth marks..."  Coach later, "You know my kid is cutting a lot of weight..." 

One team is clearly going to win a hotly contested dual meet and the student section starts chanting, "maybe next year!"  The losing team's students answer, "We'll be in college!"  Winning team had a very poor graduation rate  :-*

A football team gives up the go-ahead touchdown in the fourth and the game is out of hand.  The losing team's student section chants as the p.a.t. is good, "we passed ISTEP!"  Another academic school losing to a not so briliant group.

Coach has lots of experience putting on ISWA tournaments!  I never understood why more teams don't do this. 

Coach Struck is a leader in every sense of the word.

As an ex-referee, and a someone who lives right on the line between Elkhart, Concord, Middlebury, and Goshen schools, I try my best to lay low when in arms reach of fans.  I am a bigger wrestling fan, than I am a fan of one team or another (I am a Charger alum, though).  As my soon-to-be father-in-law says, "I am already in a committed relationship with my wife, I can't be in a relationship with a team too."  I have always said that I will watch championship anything.  If they are giving away a trophy for a tic-tac-toe tournament I will show up for the final round   

 

you are correct....this exact thing happened 2 years ago at the elkhart memorial - goshen match.....it held the match up for probably 45 minutes while the coaches argued, the official listened, they looked at the rule book and then finally called cox to get it straightened out!....add to that 2 wrestlers going off the mat knocking over the electronic score board and one coach claiming it was intentional by the opposing wrestler....fans were arguing in the stands.....one wrestler was taken to the hospital.....the wrestlers were all pumped up and testosterone was in the air......the tension was high because the winner would claim the NLC title......i don't ever recall a dual meet taking that long.....it was an exciting evening of wrestling.....and yes it was deemed illegal to do that.......

Absolutely, one of the most exciting wrestling duals I have ever seen.  Every second of that dual was contested from weigh-ins to the right-of-way leaving the parking lot.  The decision was made to stop the match and call Bobby Cox because the match would decide a conference title, the Cha-cha-chargers did win... (Jimtown 138, be sure to mention that when you reference this dual in the future).  I have to make mention of the official, Mark Miller of Rochester, he did an outstanding job calling a very intense match with a variety of odd situations that will likely never happen on a mat in Indiana again.  Coach Pickard, Goshen, always has his team ready to go and goes to bat for every call.  I have not missed this matchup since, and I don't plan to!  Word to the wise, sit right behind the scorer's table and wear red.  It's the only way to stay nuetral and out of the action!