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Still have the mat?

Yeah, I totally understand a.a.turks.

But...

The most important question still remains...

Do they still serve chili-cheese dogs by the dozen?

How'd it go today at the ol' Fieldhouse?

That place gets insane. Any upsets? They still serve chili-cheese dogs by the dozen?

What if you put an all TEC of all time team together? What would it look like?

Ron Anderson, Winchester. IHSWCA coaching Hall of Fame 2004-2006, I believe. Multiple County, Conference, Sectional, and one almost Regional back in 1999 (remember that New Castle?).

"Wrestling is more about life than anything I've ever known."

--Ron Anderson

Again, since someone took my last post off, possibly due to the sheer effectiveness of the strategy, I would use:

Either the Oboe, or the 7-Layer Salad. Depending on much stamina I had remaining.

That's just me...

Seriously, the Crane? Is this guy serious. This is a wrestling site, not Kar-a-te!

The TEC needs to get creative. I'm talking about some entertainment during the breaks. Instead of the children wrestling on the mat and jumping on the lounging wrestlers, I'd like to see some real entertainment. Perhaps WC could contact their color guard? Or maybe a "get to know your local basketball team"? I'm always a fan of an exhibition match between two former wrestlers of the TEC, but by saying that, I can not nor am willing to wrestle in said exhibition. I've got something horribly wrong with where my femur connects to my hip on the right side. As I walked to work this morning, I literally had to drag my right leg. I'm sure that was an interesting site, as the snow provided an eventual penguin-style belly slide with youngsters offering to push.

Anyway, we still have over a month to organize this. Other thoughts are surely welcomed, and encouraged.

"You gave us the wrong amount of near-fall points! You just counted to 4, we should get 3 points!" 

I remember 1995 when wrestlers in Indiana were wearing Looney Toons socks... Really distracting.. never did understand that one... glad it was a one year thing..

I swear to god I had a pair of tweety-bird boxers I'd wear to face-offs.

Is there a TEC team out there that all buys the same kind of wrestling shoe, like in basketball and other sports?

I liked the 90's era wrestling where "style" in apparel was fairly important. For instance, some guys would wear two different kinds of wrestling shoes. Maybe an Asics-left and a Nike-right. Plus, they'd sometimes have different colored shoe-strings, which I found as a wrestler to give a slight edge because of the distracting factor.

I knew a guy that used to wear on his left leg only, though he shot on opponents right leg 68% of the time, a watermelon pink and green knee pad. Plus, the singlets were those upper thigh length style singlets that allowed for ample thigh slapping prior to a match to give a slight pysch-out advantage.

Oh, yes, and mat-maids. I know some schools still have them, but in the nineties, those girls wore their hair big.

Can we maybe evolve the lame discussions based solely on predicting champions?

Perhaps a discussion on the merits of the host school. Or a conversation about a wrestler who traveled abroad. Maybe the history of mascot evolution....

I'm bored here.

I love Conseco, but I wish they would bring in an organist like the good ol' days at MSA.

Mom, get ready for tears...lots of 'em. Happy, Sad, Old men, middle-aged men, women of all ages, h.s. boys, even concession stand workers, will at one point in time over the weekend, cry.

Is there a spell check option on this site? I read the horrible grammar, spelling, and punctuation in the short time that I've been coming on here, and it makes me really want to get out my red pen.

Two words: Come on.

...until I have to sit on the throne again...had baby-back ribs with the new bbq sauce from Chili's last night. Whewww!

Great topic. I always applaud the freshmen who make it to the Finals. Most people who haven't wrestled don't really understand this accomplishment. Most other sports have classifications according school size and freshmen teams. Congratulations to those freshmen who made it.

It would be interesting to see a list of freshmen who have made it in the past.

Monkey...

 

Does it "disgust" you because weather was bad, the Randolph County government "closed" the county, the school administrators told the coaches they could not travel to participate in their regional, or that Jay County and the IHSAA made a decision in favor of the 86% who made it to Jay County, not against the 14% who did not?

 

I still think is is a shame that the schools administrators (from Winchester, RS, and others) cared less for their wrestling athletes than they perhaps would  other sport athletes (read basketball) and would not allow them to travel and participate in the regional tournament for which they trained and qualified.

 

To continue to beat this horse is ridiculous.  There is no way now that everyone can be satisfied with this situation!  Let's just make the best of it and move on.  Congrats to all who will participate in the Ft. Wayne Semi-State this weekend. 

 

Sheesh!

 

 

 

They ARE doing something -- they are allowing these wrestlers to compete. No solution is perfect, including yours. Allowing athletes that have already been eliminated to wrestle is certainly not the solution I would vote for. There have been other issues that have been "swept under the rug" this tournament season, but this is not one of them. At least the kids have an opportunity to compete and did not have their season ended by not being able to make it to Jay Co. last weekend.

It disgusts me that JayCo., the coaches present and the IHSAA made the decision to continue wrestling. Do you honestly think throwing percentages around is justifiable? 1% not in attendance because of the same circumstances would be unacceptable.

Speaking of (read basketball) didn't the Yorktown v. JayCo basketball game get cancelled that very night?

Wrestling is the most equal sport in the world. It is of the Natural Order. It's been tampered here like other sports where those in positions of power are determining outcomes. Want me to stop? Tell your buddies at the IHSWCA to turn me off.

The opportunity they have NLCards is quite like being allowed to vote only if you pass a test.

So what disadvantage are the pigtails,  other than being an extra match for the wrestlers involved?

Really? It puts in some cases, a first place sectional champ who did not get to compete at JayCo. against another Regional champ in the ticket round. Really great for some, horrible for those who didn't make JayCo.

The only true way to fix it is to totally redo the Jay County regional.  Sorry if some of the kids that made it through the first time around get cut, but the whole thing should have never happened in the first place.  And you don't have to redo all of the bouts anyway.  Just wrestle all the matches where someone got a forfeit because someone was missing Saturday, if the kid that was missing losses, that?s it, the win is verified, and the results of the original bracket are confirmed.  If not, then the next part of the bracket is wrestled until we have a true winner, or the original results are verified.  I know this means that a couple of kids would have to show up and not even wrestle, but at least we would know that everything was done right.

So I'm not crazy, and I'm not alone. IHSAA: Hello! Are you going to do anything, or is this sufficiently swept under the rug?

Honestly, I do not even know. I have no connection to Rand. Co. wrestling, only having wrestled there in h.s. many a moon ago.

Here's how I see it and sorry in advance to the boys who won advancement tickets last week:

No one really qualified for SS at Jay Co. Saying that they did is like giving the top ranked wrestler from each wt class in Jan. the gold medal State Championship.

The coaches should have protested Sat. and banned together and not wrestled their boys unless all who rightfully qualified from Sect. had the legitimate opportunity to be there and wrestle. What happened was not a few being over weight or being disqualified because of training rules. It still disgusts me. What other possibilities were presented, considered? Did we just go with the first one?

It reminds me of No Child Left Behind. Why penalize the disadvantaged?

Though I agree with you that it was and is unfair, I disagree that you should want to put an asterisk with this season. The best wrestler in the state is still going to be crowned the Champ next Saturday. It may be unfair that some of their draws are not favorable, but it does not tarnish all of other wrestler's individual success in the end.

I think this guy said it best when he said the best wrestler is still going to be crowned Champ next Saturday. Well, prove it! With Rand. Co. wrestlers being factored out of the equation the way they did and still marginally are, you seriously can not prove it. If the best wrestler will still win, what would make the difference between 2 matches and 3?

I think it's a case of having one's cake and eating it too.

But that's me, and they've censored me before. Must be some truth in it.

After "the fix" was made discussion stopped. I am simply keeping it alive, just as the gracious deciders have kept Randolph Co. wrestlers alive.

Curious...What exactly is the problem with my proposition? How do you see it altering the tournament?

What do you mean, what do I suggest? I asked a question. I suggest to put an asterisk next to 2010 because the entire state tournament has been altered.

What should have happened, and really still has time to happen, is that each wrestler who qualified for the Jay Co. Regional be invited to the Ft. Wayne Semi-State. Those wrestlers who won, got 2nd, etc. can keep their medals, but the tournament at Ft. Wayne get seeded as an invitational, with a set number of seeds and the rest a blind draw. You now have a 28 wrestler bracket, make two pools and your ticket round would still be 3, but 3 matches for everyone. The pigtail penalizes the wrestlers who weren't able to get to Jay Co.

The retort will be, why should everyone at Ft. Wayne have to win 3 to go to state? My only answer is this: The same situation could have, and may yet, happen to anyone. With the disadvantage the Rand. Co. wrestlers have by not being able to determine their own destiny at Jay Co., the state tournament is compromised throughout.

Seeing how most everyone just went along with the first idea to "fix" the Jay Co. fiasco, are we going to put an asterisk (*) next to this year's entries unto the history books?

Seems as though, from an outsider's perspective, the whole thing has been modified, and is therefore incomparable to other years.

--monkey!

The entire state is effected by one decision made collectively amongst the coaches present at Jay County Saturday. Sure the IHSAA is going to drop the ball. Why are we putting blame there? Yes it's deserved, but useless. Unless no one makes it out of Fort Wayne Semi-State, everyone in the state is affected.

I say you leave the results of Jay County as they are, but invite all wrestlers who qualified for Jay County to Ft. Wayne and you create two pools, seed your wrestlers and treat it like an invitational. That way the true, traditional wrestling in Indiana is restored. Integrity will too. There will be no "what-ifs" and "if only's".

The gods, I'm sure will be pleased. May the strongest survive.