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  1. The Buckeyes must have had wrestling disabled program that allowed them to have Jaggers and the Potokar's enroll and then get better.  There is NO way a scrub high school could have anything to do with producing all americans.

    Better step away from the computer for a minute and get some fresh air.

     

    Or try a snickers...

  2. Cummings had Triana in the semis, a good wrestler himself. Triana is ranked 5th in the state and his only 3 losses this year are to Cummings. As many have commented before, its hard to win by a huge margin when good wrestlers face each other multiple times. Cummings then beat a one loss wrestler in the finals by Tech without breaking a sweat. He is definitely a force to be reckoned with this year. Hopefully has a better showing than last year!

     

    Good luck to all!

    I understand how good Cummings and Tirana are.

     

    I was responding to MCJAC as to what would be the most lopsided weight at state meet.

  3. The battle at 106 will be for second. This will be the most lopsided of all weight classes. Including 126. Wait and see...

    Really? You may be right, but Cummings did not even win by Major Decision in semis.

    Nick Lee and Chad Red have absolutely destroyed everyone thus far. I would lean towards those guys having the most lopsided victories.

  4. How about this...we set up 350 classes...Everyone is State Champ....Everyone Gets a Trophy...

     

    Why take the chance on someone getting their feelings hurt?   We could just give out the awards in November....

    Great idea Bolt. I can see the headlines now:

     

    Don't miss the friendship meet this week between Portage and East Chicago.

     

    Score will not be kept and both guys will have their hands raised after the match.

  5. Considering the competition level in states like Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Iowa, etc is very high then....they would probably work hard for their accolades. If you consider success making it to semi-state they are successful....if you consider success going to state, then noSo what if more kids experienced this sport? What if some more experienced the thrill and joy of going to the state finals? How would that hurt the sport?

    Success to me is based on reaching one's potential not based on awards. (A la John Wooden's philosophy- sorry for the basketball coach reference!)

     

    Google my avatar Willie Burton (ESPN E60). He only won 1 match in his high school career BUT, given his circumstances, he is more "successful" than most people I know. His post-season tournament run lasted a mere 40 seconds BUT he reached his full potential....that is success in my opinion (again, and again, most guys are not state champs, although that is usually the goal it does not determine absolute success, neither does state qualification, etc etc.)

     

    Willie briefly discusses quitting Special Olympic sports because it was not competitive enough for him and "everyone gets a trophy".

     

    Great story narrated by Dan Gable.

  6. I love the personal attack, keep them coming since you obviously cannot discuss the points being made.

    FYI, you have no idea my situation.

     

     

    So zero state qualifiers last year, one state qualifier this year...wow.

     

    So Oak Hill kids don't work hard, nor do Churubusco, nor does any other kid that doesn't make it to state.

     

    Basically we have 224 kids that work hard in the state, the others are lazy. Finally, we have solved the problem.  Case closed.

    Are you saying Oak Hill and Cherubusco kids are not successful? FYI- You don't know their situation.

     

    Again, wrestling is one of the greatest sports in my opinion. It teaches great life lessons to to any young man brave enough to step on to the mat ( whether they are a sectional qualifier or state champion). No need to add little league "don't get your feelings hurt" trophies.

  7. Perry took some hits yesterday losing a few Regional champs; Brett Johnson , Napier.

     

    Plus they lost Warren, Milner, riddle who were potential SQs.

     

    Side note: Elliott vs bailey was worth the price of admission. Elliott is fun to watch on his feet. He is very smooth. Bailey is a master of the scramble. He is very quick and has great hips. This weight class is loaded at state.

  8. Why can you only name one of 150 teams that has figured this out?  Shouldn't others have figured this "hard work" formula out by now?

     

    FYI, Oak Hill had zero state qualifiers, South Adams 1. Not exactly on the same level as the others.

    Ask the EMD and South Adams kids what their formula for success is.

     

    It will probably involve a lot of time and hard work...or something crazy like that.

  9. looks to be about what we should expect

     

     

    this does work, Y2 is proof of that....the problem is getting these coaches to stay at these programs...Y2 is also proof of that

    This formula of staying at one school for 10-15 years and building a program is too much work for most people.

     

    All you have to do is go to the nearest successful program and ride their coat tails...it is much easier.

    Why can you only name one of 150 teams that has figured this out?  Shouldn't others have figured this "hard work" formula out by now?

     

    FYI, Oak Hill had zero state qualifiers, South Adams 1. Not exactly on the same level as the others.

    Ask the South Adams Studs if they are not on the same level as the others.

     

    I believe they are.

  10. and what about the B team wrestlers at some of the successful programs(big and small) that are really good but are overshadowed by their top ranked teammate ?  I propose a 2 class 5 championship series to make it fair and gets all the good wrestlers noticed. 

     

    3 champions for 2A and 1 for 1A (based on school population) and 1 for JV that are better than alot of varsity from other programs....should get about everyone since exposure seems to be the problem...

    Great point.

     

    A varsity wrestler at Penn has essentially already had to win a sectional-like tournament just to make varsity.

     

    We should class Penn High School Sports ( and Carmel and Warren and BD, etc) because it's just not fair to the kids who don't make varsity!

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    If you read Hooks book he illustrates this type of upstart with the Mater Dei program. They took many lumps along the way, but they kept going and going. Small successes led to bigger ones and so on and so on...the next thing you know they got a couple signature wins and the community started supporting the team.

    Or we could just skip the years of hard work and dedication (see Perry, EMD, Bellmont, Yorktown, South Adams, Oak Hill, etc.) and just add more classes and state qualifiers.

    I prefer the Perry, EMD, Bellmont, Yorktown, South Adams, Oak Hill, etc. route.

     

    No one said it was easy.

  12. Neccdad-

     

     

    Great post. I think you are spot on. There was a dad on here last year that did/said exactly what you mentioned.

     

    He was upset because his son went to some grand wrestling camp and when he was registering at the beginning of the week the coach of a D1 program asked this guys son:

     

    D1 coach: " where are you from?"

    Kid: "Indiana"

     

    Coach: " did you make it to state meet?"

    Kid: "no, I made it to semi-state"

     

    The dad goes on to say that the coach did not show any interest in his kid the whole week of camp. BUT, if Indiana would have had a watered down class system his kid would have gotten some attention from said D1 coach.

     

    So I ask, "Is your kid a D1 caliber kid? Because most D1 caliber kids in Indiana are 3-4x state qualifiers"

     

    Dad says, "no"

     

    Then what are you complaining about?

    That your little Jimmy/Johnny can't say he is a state qualifier????

     

    Most wrestlers are not state champs! It doesn't mean that wrestling is not an excellent sport. It teaches many great life lessons to those who are brave enough to step on a mat (whether you are a sectional qualifier or state champ).

     

    Afraid soccer moms/dads have infiltrated our great sport.

  13. Back in the day I was at this small school and was there when being a regional qualifier was "something special." Heck, I was the 2nd, yes SECOND ever semi-state qualifier in school history!  Once that school started getting state qualifiers the level of the WHOLE program changed.

     

    But the beautiful thing is that YOU helped plant the seeds in that program that allowed your program to grow to another level. You contributed indirectly to these young men who went a step further than you, whether you realize it or not.

     

    If you read Hooks book he illustrates this type of upstart with the Mater Dei program. They took many lumps along the way, but they kept going and going. Small successes led to bigger ones and so on and so on...the next thing you know they got a couple signature wins and the community started supporting the team.

     

    Or we could just skip the years of hard work and dedication (see Perry, EMD, Bellmont, Yorktown, South Adams, Oak Hill, etc.) and just add more classes and state qualifiers.

     

    I prefer the Perry, EMD, Bellmont, Yorktown, South Adams, Oak Hill, etc. route.

  14. It wouldn't hurt anything per se.

     

    I just firmly believe we have a top notch tournament series as it is.

     

    Class the Team portion and leave individual tourney alone.

     

    I think that you will find that the 2A results will reflect the actual results for the most part, we would just be bringing a whole other group of kids to Bankers Life. I would love to see what Union City HS would do with 2 or 3 state qualifiers. What an opportunity for that program to advertise itself to their student body.

    Good point Decebell, but with all due respect, I still don't like the notion of classing individual portion. Just my opinion. I will shut up now and not continue to high jack your thread and hard work! Lol

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