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    Chris Cooper reacted to swain358 in New Uniforms   
    To the diehard wrestling people the 2 piece uniform (shirt and loose fitting shorts) may not be the look they would like to see in a wrestling match. But, to the casual wrestling fan, parent, random student that showed up to watch, the 2 piece uniform with loose fitting shorts is by far a better look. I have asked many of our new fans and all have said they like seeing the 2 piece uniform much more than the singlet. I am a diehard obviously so I have no problem with the singlet. Just giving the opinions from our casual fans.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    There is definitely a negative correlation between a kid with a tougher schedule and the number of forfeits he receives.  It’s certainly not an r value of -1, probably more like a -0.6.
    That certainly doesn’t mean the kid who wrestles the toughest schedule in the state doesn’t see a lot of forfeits.  I would bet a great deal that Mason Parris gets a ton of forfeits, where as probably any other Lawrenceburg kid with the same schedule has less forfeits.  It also doesn’t mean that a kid with a very weak schedule catches a ton of forfeits either.  But I think on average, a kid with a tougher schedule receives less forfeits than a kid who wrestles a stronger schedule.
    No one can look at those numbers above and say who wrestles a tougher schedule.  Give me the team names and I probably could.  I could tell you the teams in our sectional and how their schedule stacks up with the other teams because I am familiar with them.  The debate is, when the only remaining determination of a seed is winning percentage, is it better to only look at the actual matches wrestled, or include the forfeits he has taken.  I say, only the matches wrestled.
     
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    There is definitely a negative correlation between a kid with a tougher schedule and the number of forfeits he receives.  It’s certainly not an r value of -1, probably more like a -0.6.
    That certainly doesn’t mean the kid who wrestles the toughest schedule in the state doesn’t see a lot of forfeits.  I would bet a great deal that Mason Parris gets a ton of forfeits, where as probably any other Lawrenceburg kid with the same schedule has less forfeits.  It also doesn’t mean that a kid with a very weak schedule catches a ton of forfeits either.  But I think on average, a kid with a tougher schedule receives less forfeits than a kid who wrestles a stronger schedule.
    No one can look at those numbers above and say who wrestles a tougher schedule.  Give me the team names and I probably could.  I could tell you the teams in our sectional and how their schedule stacks up with the other teams because I am familiar with them.  The debate is, when the only remaining determination of a seed is winning percentage, is it better to only look at the actual matches wrestled, or include the forfeits he has taken.  I say, only the matches wrestled.
     
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    There is definitely a negative correlation between a kid with a tougher schedule and the number of forfeits he receives.  It’s certainly not an r value of -1, probably more like a -0.6.
    That certainly doesn’t mean the kid who wrestles the toughest schedule in the state doesn’t see a lot of forfeits.  I would bet a great deal that Mason Parris gets a ton of forfeits, where as probably any other Lawrenceburg kid with the same schedule has less forfeits.  It also doesn’t mean that a kid with a very weak schedule catches a ton of forfeits either.  But I think on average, a kid with a tougher schedule receives less forfeits than a kid who wrestles a stronger schedule.
    No one can look at those numbers above and say who wrestles a tougher schedule.  Give me the team names and I probably could.  I could tell you the teams in our sectional and how their schedule stacks up with the other teams because I am familiar with them.  The debate is, when the only remaining determination of a seed is winning percentage, is it better to only look at the actual matches wrestled, or include the forfeits he has taken.  I say, only the matches wrestled.
     
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    I have never once, nor have any of my kids, ever, ever, equated the purpose of the regular season to garner a record to get seeds at sectionals.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    I have never once, nor have any of my kids, ever, ever, equated the purpose of the regular season to garner a record to get seeds at sectionals.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    I agree with this.  But to me, this is just a general statement that doesn't really apply to the issue of using forfeits to determine seeds.  I'm not scheduling a team that has a lot of forfeits because I want my kids to get matches.  
    Do you think a coach will decide... hey, I'm not scheduling team xyz anymore because we can't use their forfeits in the seeding meeting?  Maybe someone thinks this way, but it seems crazy to me.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from tskin in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    The example I gave isn’t fictional, at least the part about the 16 forfeits.  
    If anyone gets “penalized” at a seed meeting it’s the kid who wrestles the toughest schedule.  It’s not like the kid with all the forfeits has to sit the tournament out, he just won’t be seeded based off of his forfeits alone.
    If one criteria to separate kids is winning percentage, it seems logical that strength of schedule should play a part.  While it is diffficult to measure strength of schedule, it is easy to see and count forfeits.
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    Chris Cooper reacted to dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    forfeits do not tell you who the better wrestler is.
    I get the scare of the new, and how it might be perceived it could hurt someone.   I completly respect the opinion, but hope that people will give it an open minded try, as I think there are more positives then negatives.  The only reason rules are made in the first place is because someone was trying to manipulate something.   The intent to hurt is not there.  The likelihood of it helping more kids is definitely there.  The possibility of a coach minipulating a rule to his advantage is always there - no matter what way it goes. 
    Instead of talking and comparing the actual wins and losses, maybe we should discuss and compare the quality of forfeits? My forfeits are better than your forfeits? (just joking)
    In no other sport would you use a forfeit to seed someone, just think of the NCAA basketball tourney seeding based on games not actually played.  "well, we didnt play duke, but could have, and didnt, so that is a win, seed me higher than them."
    It does come down to morals - people were dodging people before this rule came about - they will dodge kids with this rule and they will dodge kids without this rule.  this rule has nothing to do with dodging.  If a kid and coach want competition, they will seek competition.  If they want to avoid, they will. Schools that actually sought out forfeits to make their record look better will remain - their record is their record.  The larger schools will wrestle the smaller schools at the same rate they already do - cause forfeits won't count and now coaches will possibly actually want that match to happen.  We can never stop people avoiding matches, we can never stop teams with tougher or weaker schedules.  Although i wish all schools in Indiana were the exact same size - we can't control that either.  
    But what we can do is compare actual wrestled matches to actual wrestled matches.  Not an actual wrestled match to a ghost match.
    I can't speak for others, but I know ill keep schools I need for sectional seeding cause i want the actual head to head match wrestled.  the forfeits in their lineup have nothing to do with us wanting the head to head competion.  Ill keep inviting all sizes of school to jeff classic because I want to see our smaller schools have that platform.  Ill keep doing battle of the bridge and including smaller schools because I want their kids to grow too and have opportunities too.  We can't stop coaches that dont or wont seek competition.  We can help comparing actual matches.
    if forfeits actually showed the strength of a wrestler, on the results page we should start writing - Freddie had 4 quality forfeits today in his tourney. (again just kidding)
    forfeits do not tell you who the better wrestler is.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from dstruck in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    I have never once, nor have any of my kids, ever, ever, equated the purpose of the regular season to garner a record to get seeds at sectionals.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from patriotfan in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    This logic is crazy..... So you are saying, you will forfeit any matches in which you don't have a chance to win if the team score is no longer in doubt?
    This rule does not punish all kids in the 3-6th seed range.  How could a rule about seeding wrestlers possibly punish all the wrestlers?
    The only kid that is negatively effected by this is the kid that previously was getting unwarrented seeds based on an inflated record due to forfeits.
    It's not like the rule counts forfeits in winning percentage for one wrestler but doesn't count them for another wrestler.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from XCard in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    I believe it's an effort to account for strength of schedule.
    Just an example of why this is a good idea.... one kid is 22-9, another 8-4.  No head to head, no common opponents.  22-9 is a better win %, but the 22-9 kid has received 16 forfeits.  So you really are looking at a kid who is 6-9 in matches wrestled, compared to the one that is 8-4.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from decbell1 in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    Gotcha... I guess my reply is it’s still the same as before.  
    If a coach was going to try and cheat by giving false info on matches won, he was probably cheating before giving false info on the kids record.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from patriotfan in Seeding Meeting Change???   
    This logic is crazy..... So you are saying, you will forfeit any matches in which you don't have a chance to win if the team score is no longer in doubt?
    This rule does not punish all kids in the 3-6th seed range.  How could a rule about seeding wrestlers possibly punish all the wrestlers?
    The only kid that is negatively effected by this is the kid that previously was getting unwarrented seeds based on an inflated record due to forfeits.
    It's not like the rule counts forfeits in winning percentage for one wrestler but doesn't count them for another wrestler.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from Coach McCormick in New Uniform issues   
    Team Balboa (Columbus East) wrestled in about 40 duals and another 10+ individual matches in a two piece this summer and I only remember one instance where there was even remotely an issue and it was very minimal.  A kid got his shorts wrapped up in a shoe, match didn't even need to be stopped.  No penality points, no tangled body parts, etc.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from TheNextDynasty in Weight Lifting on Game Day   
    Absolutely 100% workout/lift on game/meet day.  Of course it's bball, but research some of Michael Jordan's game day workouts.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from Mattyb in Disney Duals   
    I couldn't say enough good things about Team Balboa.  Kids battled hard all duals vs some very tough teams, especially after all the other wrestling we did down here before the duals.  Thanks to Social Circle GA, Manatee FL, and Brandon FL teams and coaches for allowing us to come workout and compete at their schools.  Very coachable and hard working group.  It was nice to see all the Indiana teams compete and do well.  Hope everyone has a safe trip home.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from Mattyb in Disney Duals   
    I couldn't say enough good things about Team Balboa.  Kids battled hard all duals vs some very tough teams, especially after all the other wrestling we did down here before the duals.  Thanks to Social Circle GA, Manatee FL, and Brandon FL teams and coaches for allowing us to come workout and compete at their schools.  Very coachable and hard working group.  It was nice to see all the Indiana teams compete and do well.  Hope everyone has a safe trip home.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from Mattyb in Disney Duals   
    I couldn't say enough good things about Team Balboa.  Kids battled hard all duals vs some very tough teams, especially after all the other wrestling we did down here before the duals.  Thanks to Social Circle GA, Manatee FL, and Brandon FL teams and coaches for allowing us to come workout and compete at their schools.  Very coachable and hard working group.  It was nice to see all the Indiana teams compete and do well.  Hope everyone has a safe trip home.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from Mattyb in Disney Duals   
    I couldn't say enough good things about Team Balboa.  Kids battled hard all duals vs some very tough teams, especially after all the other wrestling we did down here before the duals.  Thanks to Social Circle GA, Manatee FL, and Brandon FL teams and coaches for allowing us to come workout and compete at their schools.  Very coachable and hard working group.  It was nice to see all the Indiana teams compete and do well.  Hope everyone has a safe trip home.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from Mattyb in Disney Duals   
    I couldn't say enough good things about Team Balboa.  Kids battled hard all duals vs some very tough teams, especially after all the other wrestling we did down here before the duals.  Thanks to Social Circle GA, Manatee FL, and Brandon FL teams and coaches for allowing us to come workout and compete at their schools.  Very coachable and hard working group.  It was nice to see all the Indiana teams compete and do well.  Hope everyone has a safe trip home.
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from Mattyb in Disney Duals   
    I couldn't say enough good things about Team Balboa.  Kids battled hard all duals vs some very tough teams, especially after all the other wrestling we did down here before the duals.  Thanks to Social Circle GA, Manatee FL, and Brandon FL teams and coaches for allowing us to come workout and compete at their schools.  Very coachable and hard working group.  It was nice to see all the Indiana teams compete and do well.  Hope everyone has a safe trip home.
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    Chris Cooper reacted to samaj in The Scholastic Duals - some history of Indiana and why we are where we are.   
    I thought I would write some history on the Scholastic Duals, the IHSWCA involvement, and the Renegades..  I will try to keep this short, but doubt it ends up that way.
     
    First - Who am I?  My name is Jeff Schaefer.  I own E.I. Sports and Apparel in Evansville, I am an assistant coach at Evansville Memorial, I am the team gear provider and sponsor for the IHSWCA Scholastic teams (I provide the team gear for the IHSWCA Gold and Blue teams at my cost each year which provides them top quality gear at a greatly reduced cost), I am the coordinator of the Renegades teams and I helped promote, plan, fill spots, and coached with the IHSWCA Scholastic Duals teams for 10-12 years.  So basically, I know a lot of the inside story on a lot of the questions and issues that are happening right now.
     
    The IHSWCA - The coaches association has been sponsoring two teams at this event for many years.  My first year was in 2003 and at that time they had been involved for several years already.  At the time I joined the fray in 2003 the event was at Delaware Univ. but it went to Delaware State for a couple of years, then to York College in PA, and maybe one other location before being moved to Indiana and Wabash College.  Back when I started helping, the IHSWCA had trouble filling the team with our top notch kids.  We got some blue chippers but it was a struggle.  Many of our best programs and coaches simply would not buy in and commit to this event.  Over the next few years we made a significant push to educate the coaches and programs in the state and recruit the very best kids by talking about the event, talking to coaches earlier, and just working harder to be better prepared.  
     
    The results were great.  We got better kids each year and for a few years we had teams that were truly powerhouses at a very prestigious event.  We had some great showings out on the East coast, including a runner up finish one year.
     
    The Renegades - (who are they and why?)-  The early days, the Blue team would almost always be hard to fill and the coaches who put time into the event would be able to place a wrestler on the Blue team and travel with that wrestler as a coach to a national event on the East coast.  It was a great deal!  However, as the IHSWCA started getting the better kids, the spots on the Blue team became filled with those same upper echelon kids as were on the Gold team.  This pushed the "coaches kids" out of the picture since they were no longer needed to fill spots on the Blue team.
     
    The coaches who put the Blue and Gold teams together for this event had an idea to create a 3rd Indiana team (the White Team) and fill it with coaches kids.  This team would get destroyed in the competition but it would give the coaches a small perk for traveling to the East Coast for 4 days on a charter bus etc etc.  The Idea of the White team was nixed by an IHSWCA president who did not want to show favortism to a group of coaches and was worried that the White team not having a "qualifying system" would cause issues.
     
    At that time, I stepped down from helping the IHSWCA teams and approached the Scholastic Duals tournament director about putting a team of Indiana Renegades into the event.  The tournament director needed a few teams to fill out the tournament brackets and allowed us to put a team together.  The only stipulation was that we would not try to take any of the wrestlers that have qualified for the IHSWCA teams and we have always lived by that.  To us, there is not even a question of if we should do that or not, because to those of us that do this, we have always felt like the Renegades are an extension of the IHSWCA teams.  The Renegades have been putting teams into this event ever since then, and we work very closely with the IHSWCA to not approach or try to take the same wrestlers that our IHSWCA teams need to put the best possible Indiana teams on the mat.
     
     
    A "National" Championship??? - This is where many of the problems that we are seeing stem from.  In 2003 - 2010, this event truly was a National Event.  When we went to Deleware, there would be 18-22 teams of hammers.  2 teams from PA, NY, NJ, DE, VA, IN, NE, IL, and OH, plus single teams from  Florida, Colorado, and Michigan.  When PA and NJ went at it, it was awesome to watch and it was not for women and children!!  BUT....then the event moved to Indiana.  Since then, the east coast powerhouses have decided to stop coming.  Is it fair after all the years we all went out there?  no its not, but what can you do about it?  
     
    The tournament leadership has tried (save for another discussion) but has had little luck on bringing the powerhouses back into the picture.  Instead, we now have IN, IL, Colorado, KY, and some other teams.  The event is still very tough but is NOT what it once was.  When it was on the east coast, Mike Moyer and Jeff Peanut Bower with the NWCA were at the event and Jason Bryant was involved and covered it.  Today, the NWCA has its name on the event but I do not know if they actually have anything to do with the event at all.  To the old school coaches who have been involved in this event forever, yes we like to call it a national championship, but the reality is that while it is called a national championship, it is not a national championship caliber event because we know there is a LOT of fire power not attending.
     
    So whats the problem and how do we fix it?  The Scholastic Duals needs teams every year.  They need teams to fill brackets and pay the entry fees to cover expenses and make sure the tournament happens.  National Event, regional event, whatever you want to call it, we would all call it a huge loss if it suddenly no longer happened.  As a coach who saw this event back in the hayday, I would like nothing more than to see PA, NJ, NY, VA, etc etc show up with teams and give all of us the greatest HS Wrestling show this side of our State Finals every April.  In a perfect world, this would happen and there would be no need for the Renegades or the Gorillas and I would support that decision 100% while sitting in the front row of beachers watching our states best compete as one team.
     
    Back to the Renegades -  Because the event needs teams, the Renegades are allowed in.  We don't rock the boat and we pull on the same end of the rope as the IHSWCA so we are welcomed each year.  We are allowed to bring 3 teams and the teams are put together by a group of coaches in the Northern, the Central and the Southwestern portions of the state.  Our Teams allow 42 wrestlers the chance to get 7-8 dual meets matches versus some of the best wrestlers in the midwest in a tournament that cannot be replicated anywhere else.  Our teams purposely do not approach wrestlers who may end up on the Gold and Blue teams, and in fact, our teams got pilfered for approx 8 wrestlers at the last minute last year to fill spots on the IHSWCA Teams which caused us to scramble to fill spots at the midnight hour.
     
    It has become increasingly harder to fill the Renegade teams each year.  The coaches know about us, and we get emails every year from many coaches who want to get 3 or 4 wrestlers onto our teams.  Our teams have evolved enough that we don't want 3-4 guys from any one team and we like to spread the wealth and have a nice mix of teams represented. (Full Transparency - the SW Renegades team is the original team and we usually pull from the Castle Regional first where we can before going out to other areas...this is also why we usually finish lower than the other Renegade teams) We try our best to get state qualifiers first then work down to the semi state level kids.  All in all, we have given MANY guys who were knocking on the door a chance to improve by participating in this event.  
     
    The Gorillas - I will not state my opinion of Joe and the Gorillas.  In all honesty, I like to stay out of all of that mess and have done so the last couple of years.  What I will say, is that Joe's picture of what this tournament is and what some of the old timers picture of what this tournament is are two totally different things.  To Joe, this is NOT a National Championship so its comical to him that some people see it that way.  To the Tournament Director, and in the event entry paperwork, this event is indeed thought of as a National Championship and they have put many years of work and effort into seeing it happen each year.  The entry info suggests that teams are made of wrestlers from the same state, and that each state has a qualifying process.  This was the case back in the day....not so much anymore.  These two different ways of thinking have made it a difficult situation.
     
    If the event was full of state teams from all over, like it was back in the old days, this would not be an issue, because there would only be the 2 original IHSWCA teams and we would have two REALLY good teams that we could all root for.
     
    So basically....blame all of this nonsense on PA and the other East Coast teams who wont do what we did for years, travel and compete.
     
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from lilb2001 in Scholastic Duals   
    Soooo.... Just to be clear.  Your Indianamat team isn't going, and you're planning an attempt to catch the Indiana Gold and Blue kids in an IHSAA violation?
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    Chris Cooper got a reaction from parris58 in Scholastic Duals   
    Maybe just a couple of the BBurg kids? Not sure. I remember asking why they were on the gorillas instead of the gold team. Nick said he told them to be on the gorillas because he wanted all his kids on the same team he was coaching (which I get).
     
    However, I still think the best kids should be reserved for one team.
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