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  1. I'm really kind of shocked nobody mentioned Lance Ellis. He belongs on that list.
  2. Awesome. Thank you! I guess I didn't look hard enough :-[
  3. Maybe I missed it, but were the results ever posted?
  4. You can call yourself anything want, reality is totally different thing. Every kid I have talked to here has told me that they wished they had one class. They just can't do anything about it . It's just the best they can do. and if you lived in either place you would hear different stories.
  5. They are called "State Champions in there division or class" Not a "State Champion" . Believe me the topic gets brought up more than you think. Whether a kid gets beat by a another kid during the year but don't have to wrestle him at state. That is garbage and truly hard to follow. You would have a more legitimate State Champion doing BCS Way. ATLEAST you would have one champion. If Indiana ever does this, I would not come watch anymore.
  6. No they don't, but lets use some good old commen sense here. In a class system you are "Not A State Champion", You are basically just a winner of another big tournament. Great accomplishment? Yes! State Champion in youre weight class" No". I don't have a problem with a class system for a team format but Individual state it is really hard to follow and quite dumb.
  7. A class system in an Individual sport is pointless. I live and coach in Michigan now, and you are right not to many kids will mention what class they are, but everyone I talk too wishes there class system was more like Indiana.
  8. It's really to bad that you look at this as a bad thing but nobody says you have to go. I'm sure the attendance will be quite good. I think Purdue should be improved and Indiana has quite a bit of respect as far as I know. ???
  9. Awesome. I didn't know it was that high. Harper is a great coach and great guy. Good luck Penn
  10. I hope that never happens in Indiana. The only way you are going to make some happy(and more even) on this topic is if wrestlers are only allowed to wrestle against someone the same age and weight. :
  11. Do you have a problem with having some of the heavier weights being dominated by upperclassmen? 285 is pretty much exclusively for upperclassmen. Very few freshmen and sophomores weigh close to that much. They may be heavies but they are not near the weight. I think we all know there are a LOT of underclassmen in the heavier weights, but good enough to be varisty at a bigger school and good enough to make it to state? Not usually. I've known a lot of bigger kids that come out freshman year, get tired of getting beat on and just quit. In my opinion 103 being dominated by underclassmen helps curve that and makes them better wrestlers when they get older and get to the middle weights. Just my opinion and feeling, who knows if there's data to support it. I agree with what you are saying. I see exactly what you are describing all the time. This is where it gets hairy. Those bigger kids as freshmen come in and are JV, while their counterparts at the lighter weights are varsity. They both could very well be equal in ability, yet one does not have the same level of competition for a varsity spot or even in varsity matches. To me that deters the bigger kids from sticking it out. These bigger kids aren't world beaters, but they are solid enough wrestlers that will contribute as a junior and senior. When I was a freshman and a varsity wrestler it was cool to walk around with my letter jacket on. It was the coolest thing in the world, but I earned that letter because I was blessed with being small, not because of my athletic ability. There were numerous kids in the school that gave me a hard time because of it. There were two athletes in my class that earned varsity letters as freshmen. It was me and another kid that was a gifted runner and lettered in cross country. Comparing us two as far as athletic ability was laughable. I'm not saying it is like this at every school, but this is becoming more and more the norm with the new weight regulations and other factors(kids starting school later, etc). We should not be a sport that hands out awards based on size instead of athletic ability. I am now starting to get a little bit of where you are coming from. I think it is too bad that people look or looked at it that way. Wrestling is the fairest sport that there is possible based on weight classes alone. I never had to deal with that and I think that someone accomplishents speaks for themselves. That's the major reason alot of kids choose this sport that are not tall enough or big enough for basketball or football(lets be honest) . I understand now that you are only trying to be fair and it might be fairer with the weight change but I see it being mostly the same with less forfeits.
  12. So the only weight classes that you find exciting are 103, 112 and some of 119? At 125lbs+ the upperclassmen to underclasssmen ratio is 4 to 1. Since you say that no real wrestling happens in the upper weights, why are you discrediting their accomplishments? I, nor any of the other "haters," have never stated that there is not "real" wrestling going on at any weight. No, I enjoy the heaviers a little bit better now up to 171 but mostly only up to 160. I think alot of the heavier weights classes are undeveloped on their skill.(that is what I watch) . I practice alot with the heavier weights now because I weigh close to 170lbs. And yes there was alot of bashing on the 103lbs. State Champion credentials and Freshman coming that probably chose the sport by size. All I'm saying is I like the move to 106 based on forfeits alone. The truth is not always in the facts but it is in the ROOM AND ON THE MAT..
  13. Facts are Facts, but the real facts are in the wrestling room. You bring up the facts of the underclassmen being catered to by the lighter weights but the lighter weights is where the real wrestling at. I have followed this sport since I left it in college and coach up in Michigan . The facts I have seen all through high school and beyound is the upper weight classes may be more dominated juniors and seniors but the talent and skill level is not even really close. Just because you wrestle JV till you are a junior or senior means nothing. Skill neutralizes strength in almost any sport. My freinds and I still go to the State tournament every year and always leave when they start getting to the heavier weights because it's basically two guys tying up until one of them goes down. Its sloppier until they go onto college and develop a little bit more to which most probably will choose football. The facts are in the talent not in youre stats. If you believe in all youre stats then you are just blind.
  14. I would have to say that the only thing I agree with you on is youre last paragraph. How were there 29 qualifieres at 103lbs at state when only 16 qualify? Even if you meant semi-state that is a great accomplishment for freshman in one class system state. I ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKE THE MOVE TO 106 but knocking the lighter weights again is absurd. I remember being able to kick the crap out heavier weights all through high school and wrestled 98lbs through 135. I am sorry but Nobody told me when I started in this sport when I was 5 and had to beat out a senior for varsity as a freshman(and wrestled every year around) that it didn't really mean anything because I was a lighter weight. If I would have known that I would have stuck with the other sports I was good in. You are making an easy move into a sore subject and I guess some of us are better of talking to a peice of PAPER.
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