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Wrestling is stupid.

My opinion remains the same. With the depth of talent Indiana now has we need to find more opportunities for these kids to make it to State. For themselves and for the schools that work hard. If we can’t ever get wrestlebacks and/or more State qualifiers then we need to start looking at classing the State. Times have changed and so have our wrestlers. It’s time to do what is right by them. 

I have thought exactly this for a long time. Take these next couple days and focus on your family. They deserve you. Thank you and Merry Christmas you fellow psychopaths.
 

17 minutes ago, jonah7474 said:

Not a bad list…  I would add:

 

Coney Island- Coney dogs

Powers Hamburger- best sliders on the planet!

Green Frog- fish-n-chips during Lent are magical

Lexy’s pizza- speaks for itself

Don Chavas - Mexican

Halls Prime Rib- Buster Platter may induce hallucinations (just kidding… or am I? )

 

Go ahead and call me whatever you want to call me now.

Who is this person that has the inside knowledge of a Fort native?

27 minutes ago, decbell1 said:

Official Attendance: 1168

 

How many were Bakers?

Awesome!!!!!

19 minutes ago, Blane Culp said:

I cannot believe you did not mention any of the Hoppy Gnome places

Dude I had the Diablo taco once and I have never made it back. I barely made it home.

1 hour ago, Gasman said:

Just because the wrestler has “earned” the lead doesn’t mean they”deserve” to control the tie and do nothing. 
 

I get strategy but does it really mean you’re a better wrestler if you can artfully stall for the final period. 
 

Before the shot clock was instituted in basketball the score used to be super low like 8-4 because teams got the lead early and stalled. 

Not sure how long you have been coaching or if you are a coach, but I can tell you over the years, my opinions on things have been shaped by my experiences. About 10 years ago I had a senior that made it to the ticket round and had only 1 loss before then. This board had some posters that were talking about how he was overrated and would get beat in that match. He wanted to prove them wrong and he was wrestling his heart out and was up by 4 with about 30 seconds left. Their coaches and fans kept yelling that my kid was stalling, so he pressured forward and did a knee tap and then got headlocked and lost by a point. If I had a time machine and could go back and tell my kid to use the stall calls he still had, I would do it in a heartbeat. Now I coach to those situations and have that as an example. Thankfully that kid has turned into a great person and coach that I work with on the regular. And yes some jerk had the nerve to make a comment about how they were right after that match was over. I personally no longer care at all about what other coaches, wrestlers, or fans think in those situations. If my kid has earned the right to hold a position. We are going to hold a position.

22 minutes ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

Cindy’s and Cebolla’s I’ll give you. The rest are as the kids say, “Mid” at best.

Man… that’s what my kids mean when they say I’m “Mid”. Christmas presents just changed.

3 hours ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

Clickbait,   I thought this a food review by the general of the vast gourmet food of the greater Fort Wayne Area.

Keeping it local without the chains. We got some grub. There is a reason I am chubby.  Love me some Fort.

Kim-Vu - Incredible Pho

Asakusa - Great Sushi

Takaoka - Great Habachi

Salvatori's - Good Italian

The Tavern - Great Steak

Lucilles - Decent BBQ (Bluestack had the best brisket)

Paula's - Good Seafood

Saigon - Best egg rolls ever and BBQ beef

Cosmos - Family breakfast

Cindy's - After a tough night breakfast

Klemms - Good breakfast

Ziffle's - Spare ribs!!!!

Oley's - Deep dish pizza

Mancino's - Grinders

Cebolla's - Mexican

29 minutes ago, Gasman said:

Because people are itching to talk about something. 
 

One of my least favorite parts of the wrestling match is a 4-3 match with 30 seconds left. The winning wrestler stalls for about 20 seconds, the ref calls a worthless stalling call and then the match is over. Essentially out of a 6 minute match we have allowed 30 seconds or about 18% of the match to be completely wasted and void of determining who is actually a better wrestler. 
 

what if we eliminated the warning? As a previous wrestler , coach and fan I want to see six full minutes of wrestling. 
 

To me the warning just allows the wrestlers to rest for 30 seconds of the match and it protects the ref from making a potentially match altering call. 
 

what are your thoughts?

Depends on what you call stalling the last 30 seconds. If the wrestler hasn't had any stalling calls, he has the right to hold a good position, have good head-hand defense, and only attack if there is a clear opening. Basically don't force anything and cost yourself the match. As much as we want our wrestlers to bang and attack the whole match, this is also a strategy for the sport. Should a basketball team that is winning drive down the court and take the shot when it isn't necessary and they can let the time run off? Should a football team make a long throw just to try and score one last time even though they are winning?

Yes, if the wrestler is blatantly backing up or running, call it and call it quick that is a gimme. But holding a position and not doing anything dumb is something different. Remember, he is the wrestler who earned the right to control the tempo and the match especially if he hasn't given up a stalling call yet. So many coaches and fans want to act like they got ripped off when this happens. Tell your wrestler not to give up the first 4 points, and this won't happen.

7 minutes ago, CainBones said:

Once again, I am not saying that I was not coming out of the gates with my first post. The thread is called "Can Someone Stir the Pot?".

 

It is just the needless third post that I was saying was egregious. I have no problem with people criticizing me but seems to be a sort of cartel that runs this thread.

 

Two admins jumping on me in the first two posts is real inviting.

Sounds like we are doing our job. New posters that are just looking to start problems aren't ideal. With that said we didn't delete your post or your profile. I don't even have a problem with what you posted. Just saying expect backlash. The admins just let you know we are here. 

1 hour ago, CainBones said:

He really showed up on Saturday at Cathedral's easiest tournament of the year...

 

Cathedral is looking real soft this year. Between us blowing their Varsity JV out 77-0 and based off of results from the City Tournament they better up their recruiting...

29 minutes ago, CainBones said:

I was always curious about IndianaMat while I was in high school and Coach King always had something to say about people on here beating a dead horse and said it was best to ignore. I get it now.

 

The second response was fine enough, but goodness you did not need the third. I admitted it was not the most impressive thing to beat a JV team. I was just saying that depth is needed...

 

Take a win with some grace man.

Your first post out of the gates is pure smack. Not sure what you are expecting. If you dish it prepare to take it. 

21 minutes ago, Steve Smith said:

How are power poll points determined?

It’s in the notes at the bottom of the link.

Ranking Notes:

Points are based upon rankings with the following values
1st- 20
2nd- 16
3rd- 11
4th- 8
5th- 3
6th- 3
7th- 3
8th- 3
9th- 1
10th- 1

4 hours ago, M109R said:

Homestead wins a close one.

What’s your point? We signed up for the event to wrestle some of the best teams. That’s what we did. We lost some matches we could have won and we won some matches that we probably weren’t expected to win. It’s wrestling. We have plenty to work on and like everyone else a lineup to get dialed in.

56 minutes ago, QuinnHarris said:

You could find 12!

Easily 

19 minutes ago, rookie78 said:

#TICKETGATE2024

 

Any inside intel on tickets for the state finals?  This could stir the pot a little.

 

Online purchase?

In person purchase?

Limited tickets?

Seat saving?

Release time Friday night for Saturday session?

You are #217 in the queue to order

I heard depending how far north and how rural your school is will determine when you can buy your tickets and how many you can purchase. Good luck my friend.

Al Smith sounds fun....

4 hours ago, Brandon Sandefur said:

No because we all go to semi state knowing those conditions and I don't believe in changing them just because people allege unfairness.  If the guy didn't get through he wasn't one of the best guys..... if you don't win your regional you have to beat a regional champ to make it through.  

It's not lucky when we have only 16 qualify to state with no wrestlebacks you had to beat someone pretty good. 

Meh… I have had quite a few state qualifiers that were not top 4 qualify. I have had many more wrestlers I have felt were top 4 not make it. This isn’t rocket science. Our setup is flat out flawed. End of story. 

6 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

Just to piggyback on your post and  give a more comprehensive view of the wrestleback status by state, here's the inclusive list of states that dont have wrestlebacks.

 

List of States without wrestlebacks  in  respective state tournament

 

Indiana

 

List of states with wrestlebacks in respective state tournament

 

Every state in America besides Indiana

 

 

Thank you for taking the time to write out all the States that have wrestlebacks. Please rest your typing fingers now for the rest of the day.

4 minutes ago, rrschott said:

IMHO an interesting compromise would be a classed tournament, followed by a tournament of champions, taking the 8 placers in each class and running them through a 32 man bracket to determine a definitive champion at each weight (maybe placing 4?).  The major upside (as I see it) is you would get an extra week of wrestling for the top 32 wrestlers at each weight class.  

I sincerely doubt it will ever happen, but it would be really interesting.

Quit trying to be logical. This is unacceptable. Consider yourself reported.

17 minutes ago, Dwilly said:

I find this topic interesting. My kid worked 2x as hard as I did. My youth was spent playing baseball, soccer, basketball, etc. In Middle school I ran XC, played basketball, wrestled, baseball, & ran track.  Local wrestling club was 2x a week for freestyle in spring. When not doing that I was playing pickup basketball with friends, organizing a baseball game in the local field with soda cans & paper plates as bases with ghost runners, doing the same for football games etc. I cant remember the last time I saw ANY kids doing any of this. The reason?...we have monetized youth sports & make them practice 24/7, and we call them soft.  These kids we call soft are going to club practices, RTCs, and academies all week every week starting at early ages. How many are single sport athletes at ages younger than 12?  Many. Kids arent softer, just different & burnout is real. 

Word. It requires much more now if you want to compete at the upper levels. Yes the casual may be different. But the elites are a whole different story.

6 minutes ago, TightCradle said:

I can acknowledge that this may be based in facts. 

Facts. I may want to rethink my parenting strategy. But for now I am fine. Not sure about him.

6 minutes ago, Bulldog89 said:

Doing the same here!!  It actually helps during the season, with my son's eating plan, we all drop a few lbs.

Not me. I meal plan for my kid and then make him watch me eat junk all the while I tell him he is soft.

1 hour ago, DawgPoundRed said:

Some of the posters on this forum from your generation are soft too

My belly is soft.