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Howe won three state titles

I know that class wrestling is a greatly debated topic on here, but I just saw on IHSAA.org that next year soccer is going to go to two classes. This is interesting because too my knowledge all other sports have either a 4 or 5 class allignment. Soccer would be the first with a two class allignment. Here are a couple of thoughts/ questions I have about this. - one argument that people have about classing is that a three class system would work best, but that it wouldn't work because the IHSAA isn't going to have speacial classes for wrestling- we see know that soccer does, do you think this gives hope to wrestling as far as the possible classifications? - An argument against class wrestling even at the team level is that it will just create a new situation were the same teams win every year, ex. EVMD would win the small school title each year. In the case of soccer (which I only follow when there is local coverage) wont this same situation be achieved as Fort Wayne Canturbury will win the small class every year, and a larger school 5a will win the big class? - anyone else got any thoughts on this subject?

Those were kinda off the top of my head, some of them may be off if you look at how they placed out. I think Sprunger went 2nd-1st in his junior- senior year,i'm pretty sure Pursly went 3rd- 1st so its a real close won. The Bellmont guys you could argue all day.

With traffic being kind of low this time of year ill try to add some that I am pretty confident about but others may disagree let me know if you do. Bluffton- Randy Pursley, Ben Sprunger close second. Bellmont- I would say Tim Myers Whitko- Matt Koontz (only champ I think) Snider- Greg Wagner Carroll- Brock Norton or coach Voit (sp) Fort Wayne Dwenger- Antone Talamentes Fort Wayne North- Graylan Early Fort Wayne Concordia- Eric Lebuea (sp)

I would put Thomas Hammock on the list for Luers I think he finished third in the state. For my alma mater Norwell I would have to go with Blake Harner state runner-up. For Churubusco I would go with either Pat McClain 2x state qualifier, finished eigth, or Jordan Hamilton 2x state qualifier, but never placed.

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Back when Howe was graduating the top ranked wrestler in his weight, and nationally was Jason (in think his name was Jason) Welch (or Welsh) anyhow you get the picture. He was ranked above Howe in all of the publications at that time. Does anyone know what happened to this guy, where he went to school, how he has done at nationals. He may be an AA at a school I dont honestly follow each AA there is, but I do know that he has not had near the success that Howe has.

Did Koontz retire, or did his position get cut as well. I would put him up there with WIngler as the biggest name on the list. Does anyone know what happened here i am really suprised that he is leaving.

Anyone know what happened to Carlson at Bishop Luers. I know that they have struggled, but seemed to have numbers growing, and they had some individual success with Lovejoy. Did he step down? Is he still teaching?

Hey Tom I need your info about the tourny on Saturday. You can call me at 260-273-0043 if my email isn't working. Thanks

I was reading on the football discussion board a thread about best places to see a high school football game. So I figured Id bring the same quesiton over here. Where do you think the best Atmosphere for a dual is at. Intros, lights, acctual match, fans, seating things like that. I would have to say my favorite would be Adams Central Vs. Bellmont at AC. I was only there once, and it was a few years back, at the meet an A.C. wrestler- Craig Beer, I believe had a horrible ankle injury, anyhow it was packed and really intense. Not sure if it still has the same intensity but back then it was great.

Ace, the comments that i found to be the worst was hungus' that the kids are not getting better in carrols room. i agree that y2s rtc is great we incourage all of or kids to go there. secondly your right about me not seeking or needing approval from you about our team. i was simply pointing out that at busco we have some good stuff going as a whole and that we also put in alot of time with coaching in the offseason. the bfs stuff was said because i feel that our atheletes working on the same preograms year round is a way that we get better while participating in several sports during the year. one the same page of disscussing coaches coach dock told me to let karl know that he needs to spend less time on indianamat and more on the track. he said he would get way less email questions that way. haha dont kil me i am just the messanger karl. al comments should be sent docks direction.

Hey anyone know where I can find the big ten results

no would you say that the culver kids arnt getting better in the culver room

Wow, that was a low one. So would you say the same about the Culver kids who go to the RTC?

Can I hijack a thread that I started?

I dont know if that is fair either, a lot goes in to a coaching change and I think the guys at CC are working hard to get things going well again. I may be wromg but to blame all of a teams success or lack of it one a coaching change is a bit short sighted. What do you guys think?

As for the other parts of the quote- I think that this statement is very dispariging toward Carrols coaches. If anyone can tell me how it isn't I want to know. For me to say that ________________(insert coach) could go to Carroll and it would be a winner is a very low blow towards Carrol's coaches, if it isn't please let me know how. They do a great job, and have great wrestlers and a very stong program. I don't see why if a new coach came in then all of a sudden no one could compete with them. Secondly very few put in the off season work that Y2 does, so dont go telling me that is a reason that he shouldn't have to listen to what I am saying. I think he does a good job, I think I do a good job. So why can't we have resonable discussion about things? We both put in alot of time, and love the sport. We may have differing opinions on classing the indivual side, but that doesn't mean we can't have discussion.

Buscowrestling, you are a fairly new coach in the area, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt here, but if you put Whitko's coach at Carroll or Homestead for 3-5 years, there is little chance Garrett and Whitko would compete with them. If you could clone him, put him at Carroll and Whitko at the exact same time, Carroll would DOMINATE!!! If you don't believe that, you have much to learn. You are in a good situation at Busco because of the other coaches you work with outside of the wrestling program. They are phenomenal coaches and avid wrestling supporters, maybe that is part of why you like it there. When you put in the time that Y2 does in the off season with your kids, then he will probably listen to your points. Quote from Ace2212 I want to respond to a couple of things here. First off I agree with Ace on the point that those around our wrestling program (AD, Football, Track coaches) support wrestling and that does help us. We also work with them by lifting the BFS program that in my opinion helps all of our Athletes. I am fine with my guys doing mulltiple sports. IMO it is acctually benificial. Our team had 27 wrestlers this year. Between 17-20 of them are three sport Atheletes. I think this is good for them and makes them better than just offseason wrestling. Track makes them better atheletes, football makes them stronger and more mentally tough, and then wrestling continues this process. We have kids lifting the same program all year, training all year, and to me this is an advantage for our wrestling program. At the same time we have more and more kids doing off season work and going to RTC's, so if they are willing to make the sacrifice they can and will have success. Its up to the kids, they can do three sports and still put in the extra time for wrestling.

I see the potential I see it here to. I think that there is a lot more potential at those schools there I agree with that.

Im all about getting a full time teaching job that is what's most important to me. If I were full time at Busco I can honestly say I wouldn't. I want to win sectionals and regionals too, but I like Busco, and I dont see why with hard work we can't be where those giants like Whitko and Garrett are now.

I didn't give you any maybes. But you can take the maybes away from y2's post and those would all be reasons why homestead is a better program. Homestead also fills all their weight classes. So do a lot of schools Blufftons size, they've done it before. Yorktown gives hope that one out of 10 years you can do something special and that is if all the chips fall into the right places. If one of their studs goes down to injury during the season or one flunks off the team they aren't at team state. So then what about next year, A lot of people have Yorktown being riht back were they were tis year.

So are you saying if a Dekalb, or Carroll, or Snider came open, a big school near Garrett you'd look into it?

Sorry thats how I interpreted your statements.

You brought up the Angola and Busco thing. I said in an earlier post: Karl I am for classing the team portion, but in terms of were the thread was going the discussion was turning into one that was about how Bluffton could not compete with Homestead I just thought I wouldgive an example were a similar school had. Which is why I brought the smaller schools up. I do agree that classin would give smaller schools a better chance, Yorktown though does show that small schools could be right there for it all.