Ed Pendoski

You are absolutely right with the amount of matches in a day.

Where it becomes impossible is if you have four mats.  The semi state would be from 9:00am through 11:00pm. 

Here's the question I'm trying to ask our association.  Would we rather have:

A) 4 regional qualifiers to regionals

3 regional qualifiers to make semi state potential wrestlebacks possible

Got it and I agree with the 3 week state tourney series, but that's a different conversation than this one.

If we keep 16 man brackets, it is impossible to have wrestle backs.  It would be against NHSF Rules for having more than 5 matches in a day.

Given a choice would we prefer 12 man brackets and wrestle backs from the quarters or would we prefer 16 man brackets?

 

 

I personally wouldn't be in favor of moving to 3 kids qualifying.  Sounds like something only Indiana would do.   

Are you saying you'd rather include the 4th place finishers at regionals knowing that 93% of them didn't qualify and not start the discussion now how do we stop 60% of the weight classes don't get the best four because of random draw?

Up until around 10 years ago the semi state had 12 man brackets.  

Would our association be in favor of bringing 12 man brackets back into discussion?

That is changing variables.  I'm not sure those guys that lost in the ticket round finished 4th in the regional the year before, and we're not talking about advancement the year after! 

Stay on task friends! (which is very close to getting to question #7)

Thank you scrambled legs for opening the door to question 4 (you skipped #3, but I'll make sure we come back to that one!)

Let's take a look at specific reasons IHSAA wants "things"

Fairness of our sport and teams they govern

Keeping in alignment with the rest of sports they govern  

They do have to make money

I am quick to get frustrated with decisions the IHSAA makes, but always try to look at things from their perspective, and almost every time I can see where they are coming from. 

Question 4:

How can we, as an association, present the info in a way that shows fairness, doesn't mess with other sports asking for the same thing, and doesn't cost the association loss in revenue?

Nick,

You totally rushed question #2.

....but don't worry, there is also questions 3-7 coming next.

Ok, on the thread about "Toughest Regional" the statement was asked,

"What would be the result if only the top 3 from regional moved on to SS as in years past?

Should we go back to top 3?

We have a freshman named Suhas Chundi we like a lot and he's quite proficient in math!  Last week I asked him to do a statistics problem for us.  (Maligned, I can scan his work and send to you if you'd like to double check)

I asked him to give us the probability of the top 4 guys getting out of semi state if they were randomly placed into regionals (knowing that if they were the top 4 in the semi state, there is no chance of them not getting out of the sectional).  

Assuming that there are no upsets, and that the #1 guy in semi state always beats #2, and 2 always beats 3 and three always beats 4, there is only a 40.6% chance that all 4 get out.

Because of our blind draw without wrestlebacks from the quarters, the 4th best guy in the semi state will draw into 1-3 best guy 40.7% of the time and the 3rd best guy will draw into 1-2 best guy 19.75%

I don't remember the exact year that we added the 4th place finisher from Regionals to semi state, but here is the results from New Castle this year (this is my math so this one could be off! ha!)

4th place wrestler lost to 1st place wrestler 94.6% (53 of 56)

4th place was pinned  66% of matches (37 of 56)

Question #1:  Is it necessary to have the 4th place finisher from the regional to semi state, if only 5.4% advance and 66% of matches were decided by fall?

We're back at in The Blue Room again tonight 6:45-8:15.  Last week's room was outstanding watching the hammers wrestling live!

This week's technician will be Eddie Palmer.

Coach Palmer was state runner up for Huntington North HS and was Mental Attitude Award winner in 1990, but he is probably most famous for what most consider the greatest win ever in the quarterfinals that year at 140lbs!

(please don't tangle us in your webs!  We don't want to be on either side of arguments....like Switzerland) 

So glad you asked!  It was the question of the night.

Geter couldn't make it last night.  He was asked to stop in at Augusta National Golf Course to help them make sure the Bermuda grass was ready for the Masters, on his way to Mexico to rescue an orphanage from drug cartel oppression.

What a great room last night for our first RTC of 2017!

We had 40+ kids (and 10 coaches) in the room getting after it!  It was especially awesome to see the seniors (Jerde, Webster, Jagow, Pecoraro, etc) in the room still training like the state tourney series was next weekend. 

We told the kids that some people enjoy watching the symphony, or looking at fine art....I could watch this room wrestle every day.  The group of Webster, Eiteljorge, Allred, Penola, Welch, The Chad, etc was just entertaining to see!

Thanks to Coach Williams for putting us through a good drill and showing some great finishes to leg attack.  Also, thanks to Gil Journey for coming by! 

Carmel's RTC is Wednesday 6:45-8:15

ISWA website is incorrect

I'm going to guess that the decisions the IOC make are way out of my scope of what I actually know. 

But I'm also assuming that there were not many Russians doing snowboard half pipe before they made that a Winter Olympic sport.  I also will assume that adding the 'extreme sports' to Winter Olympics did wonders for the television revenue because of the Americans success and the amount of TV viewers it added.

The question that this thought brought to my head is 'would the USA dominate the Olympics if they added Folkstyle'?  My first guess is that we would dominate because the 'best wrestler' in every country would wrestle freestyle and the 'best wrestler' in America would do Folkstyle. 

In other words, if Folkstyle was added to Olympics, then our freestyle team would be Varsity 2 but some would call them JV! ha!

But if freestyle was replaced by folkstyle, I don't think we would dominate as much as we first think. 

If you didn't get to watch Elkins fight last night at UFC 209, I promise it's worth looking up to watch!

Darren was losing badly after the first two rounds (I pray that my opinion here doesn't piss off Daren and have him come to Carmel and smash me).  He comes back and wins by knockout with 1:30 left in the fight. 

.....he also won fight of the night for his performance!

http://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/ufc-209-results-darren-elkins-knocks-out-mirsad-bektic-after-taking-a-beating/

This one was similarly close to watching Rocky IV.  The Russian got tired from punching Darren in the face so many times, but just like when Darren was on the mat, he just kept going. 

It is true, we will again be hosting the World Championships of the World on April 8-9th.  

Last year reigning World Champions of the World, Chesterton was heavily favored to become the first EVER back to back World Champions of the World by EMD.  

The list of guys coming to workout on Wed. is starting to be impressive!  

Shenandoah, Zionsville, N. Mont crew should make for a great room between 160-180lbs.  

(fyi....the Welch brothers are also between 160-180.  Chad might be closer to 190 now that he has invisible lats!)

CUSAWC will start hosting it's RTC on Wednesdays at 6:45-8:15 starting March 8th at Carmel HS.  

Please enter through door 21.

Our first clinician of the season will be Jared Williams:

• Three-time Sectional Team Champion
• HCC Conference Champion
• Four-time MIC Conference Champion
• 2005 IHSAA Team State Runner-Up
• 2008 IHSAA Team State Wrestling Tournament Final Four
• Never beat Pendoski in a round of golf
• 2011 IHSAA Team State Runner-Up
• 2008 Indiana State Wrestling Coach of the Year
• Only coach to take two programs to the IHSAA Team State Championship Finals

Calumet is better regional this year then castle. I think it is more on par with north mont and behind Perry and mooresville

No I don't think Harrison beats hobart. I don't think either belong or would win a dual at ihswca. Common sense tells me the best teams should be there. Since there is no true qualifier and we have teams declining to go. I think there are more variables to look at

Not sure I agree here.  Compare the 4th place finisher from Calumet, N. Mont., Perry and Mooresville.

I also think that the Zionsville Sectional and the North Mont regional suffers because it doesn't not have the "Indianamat Presence" as the other 3 regionals in this comparison.  Maybe I'm going to have to up my Instagram presence! ha!  I've stated for a couple years, I'd take the Zionsville Sectional 5th place guys against any other secional's 5th place in a dual all day. 

At the end of the day, we will all get ourselves upset if we don't understand that this is similar to seeding a tourney.  We have to have a set of guidelines and then when we get the microscope out and break down all these individual situations, there will be mistake or guys/teams on the short end (or the winning end).  If we want the perfect way to pick teams (or seed a tourney), I'd vote to have an honest guy do it all.  I'd nominate Jim Wadkins

Take the top 2 teams out of any regional and how good would any be? Take Avon and bburg out of mooresville is it still a 5?

Westfield finished 6th in our Regional and they are ranked #24 on the genius rating.  

I don't even pretend to know the math on the qualifying point system.  I also think that the multiplier was too rewarding to our sectional/regional path.

....but I also know that it is probably impossible to have a scoring system implied across the state that could be 'the best way'.  We have to have a system, this system is researched and thought through.   There will always be 'outlier' situation that a scoring system will miss.

Genius ratings of teams in our sectional.:

8 Carmel

16 Zionsville

24 Westfield

30 Hamilton Southeastern

54 Lebanon

There was a wrestler that placed at Al Smith and he didn't get our of the sectional (and in my opinion, he wrestled well to get 5th!)

And that sectional feeds into the regional with:

17 North Montgomery

There's still only 56 semi state qualifiers that come from this regional.  The points get split between these teams.  I also wonder what would happen if you took the average genius rating of the top 6 teams in a regional to help 

When did they build a Steak n Shake in Cicero?

Good call by asking this question here. 

If you do decide to ask Geter this weekend face to face, remember this......don't look directly into his left eyeball.  He hates that, but you'd never know that he hates that...unless he wanted you to know he hates that.

I remember when I first got involved with the ISWA in the mid 90s and Mr. and Mrs. Errett proposed having qualifying tourneys for freestyle state and it was proposed to be cash positive compared to having one big tourney.

If everyone is serious about a two week tourney, I would suggest asking ISWA clubs that are hosting regionals to host a MS Regional since they have mats out on Saturday already.  I know North Montgomery ran a club tourney after their regional.

Pros:

I think you'd get more kids wrestling.  I'm pretty positive that more Carmel kids would go to the regional if it was closer and not as 'skilled' as the MS State.  I'd be confident that the other regions would get many more kids at a regional that were hours away from New Castle.

Cons:

Two weekends of tourneys for kids that might be in their middle school season.

He was hiding from Jeeter is the word on the street..

If we learned anything last night, it's that you cannot hide from Geter.  He may let you think he doesn't know where you are....but he knows.

I did get the text message asking if Dingo was broadcasting from the portajohn outside Steak and Shake in Cicero!  

I want to remember the score being 16-15, but I'm sure that the numbers could have been glorified over time. 

.....I also think I could bench press 525lbs then too.  hehe

Bradbury lost to Ramos 13 times and he was winning 6 of them in the third period.  

This week is always a good time to talk about a great ticket rd match.  Bradbury vs Birge.  Andrew put it on youtube last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCJvKleM5ow