Galagore

You are correct. We choose to support our athletic department, not just the wrestling team. We choose to have options for our student athletes, not just say, "fall sport is football or you're out of luck; winter sport is basketball or you're out of luck; spring sport is track or you're out of luck."
 
If this happens to the fullest extent, then many small school athletic teams across the board will fold. My guess is wrestling would not be one of the survivors in most schools. Do you think that is an adequate sacrifice to make sure everyone knows that they need to full give themselves to the sport to have a reasonable shot at winning a state medal?
 

Everything you are saying is correct...however, at a small school, it is difficult in good conscience to truly push kids to wrestle to get better in the spring. They are busy making sure our baseball, softball, track, and golf teams are as competitive as possible. How would I feel if the baseball coach was leveraging the wrestlers to start tuning their arms up in January? It would p*@# me off. And of course big schools also share athletes. However, if the wrestlers at small schools focus on one sport, the other sports don't do poorly - they cease to exist. Small schools are playing a differnt game. That's why team sports are classed. There is no difference for individual sports. Everyone has to block another individual in football. Everyone has to mark another individual in soccer. You get where I am going here.

Bingo. Very tough tightrope to walk.

Weaver would be an animal at football if Rossville had a football team. 

At a small school, this decision doesn't just affect the individual. It affects the entire athletic program. And if we wrestling coaches at small schools promote to our kids that they should focus on wrestling and with the other teams, whatever happens happens...then that's just not being a good teammate from an athletic department perspective. And even if you can convince me that it is OK to just look out for your sport, what happens if all of the wrestling kids agree with me that they should focus on being as good as possible at one sport, and that sport isn't wrestling? Answer: the wrestling team will fold and there won't be wrestling anymore at Culver Community. I don't want that for wrestling and I don't want that for any of our programs.

Everything you are saying is correct...however, at a small school, it is difficult in good conscience to truly push kids to wrestle to get better in the spring. They are busy making sure our baseball, softball, track, and golf teams are as competitive as possible. How would I feel if the baseball coach was leveraging the wrestlers to start tuning their arms up in January? It would p*@# me off. And of course big schools also share athletes. However, if the wrestlers at small schools focus on one sport, the other sports don't do poorly - they cease to exist. Small schools are playing a differnt game. That's why team sports are classed. There is no difference for individual sports. Everyone has to block another individual in football. Everyone has to mark another individual in soccer. You get where I am going here.

Then let me rephrase my question. In what way is it more beneficial to the success of an athlete participating in a non-classed individual sport at a small school competing in the state tournament?

At a small school, this decision doesn't just affect the individual. It affects the entire athletic program. And if we wrestling coaches at small schools promote to our kids that they should focus on wrestling and with the other teams, whatever happens happens...then that's just not being a good teammate from an athletic department perspective. And even if you can convince me that it is OK to just look out for your sport, what happens if all of the wrestling kids agree with me that they should focus on being as good as possible at one sport, and that sport isn't wrestling? Answer: the wrestling team will fold and there won't be wrestling anymore at Culver Community. I don't want that for wrestling and I don't want that for any of our programs.

So large schools also worry about not having a baseball team because the wrestlers are all focusing on wrestling instead of baseball (or ____ spring/fall sport)?
 
My son is an example I can use. He isn't "finding something else they (he) can be doing other than grinding." He is pitching and catching for the baseball team and working hard at it. He will actually be going in a week or two early to start work with the varsity baseball team before his middle school team practices fully begin. It's baseball season, so I owe it to him and the baseball team to allow him to give that season his full attention, just like he was able to give the wrestling season his full attention.
 
What are some of the benefits of wrestling for a small school?

Everything you are saying is correct...however, at a small school, it is difficult in good conscience to truly push kids to wrestle to get better in the spring. They are busy making sure our baseball, softball, track, and golf teams are as competitive as possible. How would I feel if the baseball coach was leveraging the wrestlers to start tuning their arms up in January? It would p*@# me off. And of course big schools also share athletes. However, if the wrestlers at small schools focus on one sport, the other sports don't do poorly - they cease to exist. Small schools are playing a differnt game. That's why team sports are classed. There is no difference for individual sports. Everyone has to block another individual in football. Everyone has to mark another individual in soccer. You get where I am going here.

Everything you are saying is correct...however, at a small school, it is difficult in good conscience to truly push kids to wrestle to get better in the spring. They are busy making sure our baseball, softball, track, and golf teams are as competitive as possible. How would I feel if the baseball coach was leveraging the wrestlers to start tuning their arms up in January? It would p*@# me off. And of course big schools also share athletes. However, if the wrestlers at small schools focus on one sport, the other sports don't do poorly - they cease to exist. Small schools are playing a differnt game. That's why team sports are classed. There is no difference for individual sports. Everyone has to block another individual in football. Everyone has to mark another individual in soccer. You get where I am going here.

Just work harder, if you put in the time during the off-season you are the bad draw and don't have to worry about losing.
The ticket round is a part of our culture and the most exciting round. Semi-state would be boring with wrestle-backs.
Life isn't fair, get over it.
 

Next year I’m nominating my guy @Galagore for HOF for his perseverance on these Topics . About every year some rookie poster brings it up and this Galagore throws some haymakers on these  

“CLASS WRESTLING” “DIVISIONS” 
 
He’s right, only time he posts is State Time and his most popular topics being 🤢🤢🤢, I hate to say it. I may not like what I’m reading but …. You got my respect 🫡 
 
 

I cannot express how sad I am to be reading this thread so late.
 
Yes, we should absolutely have divisions. Small schools are not playing the same game large schools are and should not be competing against them in the same tournament.
 
We don't make the team sports do that, so making the individual sports do it makes very little sense.
 
You can search galagore for all of my other logic. I am too sad to post it all right now.

I cannot express how sad I am to be reading this thread so late.
 
Yes, we should absolutely have divisions. Small schools are not playing the same game large schools are and should not be competing against them in the same tournament.
 
We don't make the team sports do that, so making the individual sports do it makes very little sense.
 
You can search galagore for all of my other logic. I am too sad to post it all right now.

I cannot express how sad I am to be reading this thread so late.
 
Yes, we should absolutely have divisions. Small schools are not playing the same game large schools are and should not be competing against them in the same tournament.
 
We don't make the team sports do that, so making the individual sports do it makes very little sense.
 
You can search galagore for all of my other logic. I am too sad to post it all right now.

@KarlHungus - OG contributor and while inactive for a while, still one of the all-time leading posters

I wish we could get the audible count for stalling for not making mat returns.  

@KarlHungus - OG contributor and while inactive for a while, still one of the all-time leading posters

@KarlHungus - OG contributor and while inactive for a while, still one of the all-time leading posters

@KarlHungus - OG contributor and while inactive for a while, still one of the all-time leading posters

@KarlHungus - OG contributor and while inactive for a while, still one of the all-time leading posters

Here some of my choices

@FCFIGHTER170- New Castle historian and will defend the Trojans at all costs
@Dingo Brigade- Former arch nemesis, but now friend. Great articles and always positive about the Indiana guys
@Galagore- Defender of equality and class wrestling
@clive2246- An original crazy wrestling mom from CP
@grecoref- RIP, always had wit, humor, sarcasm, but also provided great insight and information at the same time.
 

15.  Requiring at least one coach in the corner of a match.
 
This might be tough for small schools with limited coaching staffs at big tournaments like Connersville during the wrestleback rounds.

Culver Community: Matt Hurford
172-11 Career
4xConference Champ
4xSectional Champ
4xRegional Champ
3xSemi-State finalist
3xQualifier - frosh qualifier at 189, which is bonkers
5th place finish 2012
Champ 2013
 
Fun note: After Matt's freshman year, we were in the post-season meeting discussing goals. When we asked how he thought the season would go he said, "I hoped maybe I would qualify for regional."