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  1. On 12/9/2021 at 5:17 AM, Mattyb said:

    This is a great and loaded question that has no simple answer. I’m my opinion, this really needs to be talked about more and better explained to our athletes and families. 
     

    My family had the opportunity to go through the recruiting process with my oldest son. We learned a TON during his last couple years of high school. While my son did all the work on the mat, it took the whole family and others to help him reach his goal of being a college wrestler with a full ride. I would like to share some thoughts and observations that may help others in this journey. With this said… this post may get a little long, but hopefully it can help… because many times nobody will take the time to explain or even has the knowledge of the process.

     

    1. First and foremost (absolutely most importantly) is grades.
     

    If a kid decides to go the NCAA division 1 or 2 route, they go by title 9. This dictates that NCAA division 1 and 2 programs must limit the amount of athletic scholarships per wrestling team to 9.9 full scholarships. In college there are 10 weight classes. Most college programs have 30 to 45 kids on the teams. Most of those 30 to 45 kids at D1 and D2 schools are state champs or placed VERY high. So… let’s do the math…. 9.9 for 40 kids… that means on average a D1 or D2 kid is only getting a 1/4 ride.

     

    Very few (and I mean VERY few) D1 and D2 kids get full athletic scholarships. With that said, a wrestler MUST make academics a priority! Schools will help a kid with academic money but the wrestler must make the minimum threshold for those funds. They will find athletes academic money that a typical student, with the same gpa, wouldn’t get. They typically need a 3.5 GPA or better and / or good SAT or ACT scores to qualify for most academic money. This means that a wrestler MUST take his whole high school career seriously. Do not think that a kid is going to make a C average his first two years of high school then magically turn it around his last two years! By then it’s two late. From day one… do the work and make good grades. Without good grades… most likely they are paying and paying a lot. 
     

    Testing… start taking ACT and SAT early and often. I would recommend at the end of their sophomore year. First they must determine which one is easier for them. My son liked the SAT because it’s ran by the national college board. Once you take the SAT test, they will provide you with resources (including the Khan Academy) that will help you with future test. While you can’t actually study for what’s on the SAT or ACT, programs like Khan Academy will help you learn how to process the questions and help you score better. Also.. schools will allow them to super score your test results. Meaning this…. If you take the SAT five times and score really high on Math one time and really high on English another time, they will allow you to combine the two highest scores to make your applied total. So again..  take those test multiple times if the school requires SAT or ACT for acceptance or academic scholarships.

     

    That is D1or D2. As far as I know…. D3 has zero athletic scholarships, but typically offer scholarships and grants to help with cost. D3 guys typically make good grades to get that help. 
     

    Which brings us to NAIA. These schools are not bound by title 9 (as far as I know). My son did not go the NAIA route so i have less knowledge on this. In general, these schools are allowed to give more athletic money. We have some great NAIA schools and teams here Indiana. These teams have had a lot of success and should be considered by any kid looking to wrestle at the next level. 
     

    Many high schools have an NCAA rep. It is typically a councilor. These reps can provide you with some helpful information and help you with stuff like getting your NCAA card (needed to take visits) and getting transcripts to potential schools. If you don’t have a designated NCAA rep, make sure you find out the best person at your child’s school to help you with the process. At our former school we found out that our weighted grade scale did not meet NCAA guidelines and could not be considered. With that said, my sons weighted GPA could not be considered when applying for some money. Not having his weighted GPA considered messed with some of his offers. With this said… a few years later, they still haven’t adjusted their grade scale and NCAA can’t use their weighted gpa (must be Covid). I’m still trying to help get it changed there. With this said… make sure your schools grade scale is approved by the NCAA so that your wrestler gets every dollar possible! Again.. your NCAA rep or councilor can help you with that. 
     

    2. Put your wrestler out there! Pick the schools that they are interested in and let them know you are interested. Reach out to the coaches and let them know that they want to come to their programs and what you have to offer them. Most team websites have a recruiting page. Fill that info out. That puts your wrestler on their radar and helps them get noticed. Colleges coaches are busy. Help them help you. 
     

    3. Pick the right team. A kid may be a state champ or multiple time state champ. Know this.. if he goes to the Big10… every kid is a state champ or multiple time state champ. Each weight class has 3 to 5 kids. Know that it’s gonna to be a up hill climb just to start one season. Know who is in the line up at the school you pick and who’s coming in. I’m not saying not to challenge yourself.. just know that most likely your not coming in a taking the spot from a returning AA. Know that you may sit some places for a while. Can you handle that? 
     

    4. Pick the right school. If you want the traditional college experience… don’t pick a service academy! What I’m saying is… take your visits get to know the school, the town, the coaches, and the team. Ask members of the team if they like it there. During my sons visits some kids told him that they loved it and many told him they hated it. Financials should be a priority, but if they are going to be miserable for 2 to 6 years… then it’s not worth it. D1 allows 6 official collage visits. They are typically very fun for the whole family. If you can, take them all. 
     

    5. To answer your main question… wrestling. Go wrestle good kids and beat them! No matter where. If you beat a good kid… people will know. And… try to have fun as a family doing it. That’s the easy part that we all can understand. The other stuff is what we don’t talk about and is not explained to us enough. 

    There is a max of 9 scholarships for D2, and those limits are based on programs that are fully funded by the school, endowments, or fundraising to reach that cap.

    As a former college coach for a decade, I will be happy to answer any recruiting process questions if any should arise, but the information that people are sharing on this thread is very true. The first thing I always looked at was social media, then grades.

    Here is a little article that was published in USA Wrestler last year that I wrote along with fellow Hoosier, Cam Eppert. It's worth a read.

    https://www.qgdigitalpublishing.com/publication/?m=58602&i=678992&p=32

  2. 1 hour ago, jlittlejohn said:

    In high school (NFHS) it is simply a default,  if after the match has started; or a forfeit, if prior to the match. Trackwrestling does have Medical Forfeit as an option, however, technically that is not the correct language/terminology for high school.

    Jim, do we know why that is the case? A forfeit counts as a loss on a record whereas a medical forfeit does not. I had a kid carted off to the hospital and now those matches count as losses on his record which the idiot coaches down here will pay too much mind to when it comes to seeing our big competitions.

  3. Does anyone know how many wrestlers have placed 4x at the Indiana State Tournament and been a 4x All-American in college (at any level)? Off the top of my head I think of Angel. I haven't really put much thought into it, but was just wondering if anyone knew this stat. Thanks!

  4. 5 hours ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

    One thing that underlines multiple IHSAA policies is that they want to limit the amount time student athletes miss the classroom.  I think the travel rule is implemented to eliminate the chance of our kids traveling long distances resulting in the athletes missing school.  Also, IHSAA is conservative and old fashioned and doesn't want high school athletic departments spending a large amount of resources on travel expenses.   I disagree with the rule also,  but the IHSAA is very set in their ways and we've had discussions on the board in prior years relating to the topic.   Like mentioned earlier,  football and especially basketball coaches  would like to take their teams to  compete nationally and have been denied.  They would be drivers for change and IHSAA would not make an exception for a wrestling team to for example compete at the Iron Man, which is sad.

    I now coach in Louisiana. We travel to New Jersey, Texas, Tennessee, and Georgia for tournaments. We miss a total of 4 days from these four tournaments. That truly isn't much at all. Let alone, at least change the rule so that teams can travel over Christmas break for holiday tournaments. That would be a good start.

    By the way, we fundraise for all of our travels. If your team wants to travel, have them raise the money. That is a simple fix. I would venture to say that the teams all across the country that travel around the country are not having those expenses paid for by their school funds. I could be wrong though.

  5. Thanks for the input, Jimbo! I am looking for a little more clarification...

    1) Is GREEN always HOME? I am not asking if you can make a team that has a red singlet the "away/red" team. I am asking... is green always home? Is it feasible that red wristbands are awarding points to the "home" side of the scoreboard?

    2) Do you have a rule for this or a specific section in the case manual?

    3) So you are telling me that you would NOT call an illegal hold in a position where we started in an Iranian but i put you on your hip and I am stepping over for a turk? Text me if you need me to send you a specific video of what I am talking about. There is nothing in the rule book that says ANYTHING about pressure on the head in a head scissors. The only place that pressure on the head/neck is addressed is in a draping scissors situation.

  6. 3 questions and even more specifically these two are in the NFHS rule book...

    1) is green always “home” and is that a rule?

    2) is the match over with the slap of the mat or the whistle? Example...an official at our HS tourney said today that in terms of if time is out or not you go by the whistle and not the slap of the mat.

    3) pertaining to a head scissors (with or without an arm): in what positions can there be a draping scissors? The only one I can think of is in an Iranian. I had an official tell me it was draping when both athletes were on their hip and the offensive wrestler was stepping over for a turk from the Iranian. Is there anything in the rule that says anything about pressure against the head? I am not seeing it. I understand that for a DRAPING scissor the rule states that pressure would have to be there. However, under illegal moves it says the straight head scissors (arm included or not) is illegal. There is nothing about pressure at all.

  7. Totally forgot Brooks. Fargo and Super 32 champ and now MMA fighter

     I don't believe Brooks was a Fargo champ. He lost to Tomasello in the finals the year he made it. I could be wrong though, even though I was his coach for that match.

  8. 103 weight class in the '08-'09 season Kyle Ayersman 3x Champ, Cody Phillips 3x Champ, Jared Mckinley 2x Champ, Mason Todd 1x Champ, Jarred Brooks 1x Champ, Brian Harvey 1x Champ, Brennan Campbell 2x Finalist, Dusty Kief Finalist, Todd Batt Finalist.

    Wasn't Phillips a two-timer?

  9. We will be hosting Bakersfield in our Take It Outside II event on November 14 in Riverside, CA. We make this a free event for all with special guests in attendance. Last year we had an awesome crowd of over 2,600 fans to watch. Check out this cool preview video we put together to promote this year's event!

     

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1034437409920031

  10. We will be hosting Bakersfield in our Take It Outside II event on November 14 in Riverside, CA. We make this a free event for all with special guests in attendance. Last year we had an awesome crowd of over 2,600 fans to watch. Check out this cool preview video we put together to promote this year's event!

     

    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1034437409920031

  11. I really hated to read this being a Northwestern fan. The only thing I can think of is Howe getting him to Oklahoma with the Hanover Central thing. Grade wise Micic can go any where.

     

    Oklahoma signed Freddie Rodriquez. I don't think they would double up on that weight with the kind of money both of them would require.

  12. We have heard no talk at all about this. Plus we just bought brand new singlets. I would assume if they were to make this a rule then they would give at least a year or two to adjust. Many teams don't have a budget to just buy new competition gear on a whim. 

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