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At 285?

The accuracy of 144 is amazing. The top eight ranked wrestlers at the weight all won their Friday night matches and are all officially on the podium. I am not sure how often that happens, but it's pretty cool in this instance. The top eight are truly the top eight.

Winged him up real good in the second! I thought they would’ve called it then.

SHE IS A BADASS!

OCAMPO!!!!!!

Let’s not forget that Hartleroad IS a Fargo champion. While I’m still shocked Paul Clark lost, it shouldn’t be surprising Hartleroad can beat that caliber of talent.

First, let me preface this by saying @Christopher Bohn’s hot dog thread is one of the greatest things to hit this site and it is the inspiration behind this post. Second, we all know the Region is home to the best food in the state of Indiana, even though it doesn’t have a Mr. Beef (R.I.P. to the owner). So, with that precedent set by the 219, Evansville has a tall task in order to deliver the goods on the cuisine, and for me, it’s simple a question: Does Evansville have a good beef Polish? Indianapolis has plenty of places you can buy Chicago-style food, but most suck, and then there’s Portillo’s, which is eh in recent years, but Evansville might be able to deliver something different. So, for any travelers this weekend or Eville residents, let us know if the southwest section of the 812 has a simple, yet classic bite that is good for any sports fan.

Let me cook big dawg lol

The point still stands. We talking about scoring margins. Hockaday’s biggest in-state win over a returning state qualifier was 21-9 over Sessa and 11-4 over Goss who medaled; Hayden DeMarco shares Goss as a common opponent with Hockaday, and he beat him 10-2. He has also teched returning medalist Carter Fielden, and Chesterton has a pretty strong schedule. Would you say that based on his margins he’s beating Hockaday? You should if that’s what you use in your argument against Thrine. Huyvaert’s won 17-6 over Graham, but Zar Walker still beat him 4-2 regardless of the scoring margins he’s put up. Hockaday was dominating last season too, yet he only beat Mosier 3-2 in the semis. It’s all about match-ups. Every match is different, especially at State.

I bit. You got me for sure lol

From a factual standpoint, IA, IL, MI, MN, NY, OH, PA, and WI, all states with multiple state champions, consistently perform better than IN in rankings, national tournaments, and on the collegiate level. Indiana having one champion per weight class is cool, but multiple classes doesn’t hurt these states either. Especially when you consider any of the champs in these states lower classes could come to Indiana and beat most of our competition.

You know I got respect for you and your boys, Mr. Garcia, but the states with more than one champ have been kicking our butts for a long time. Young Stanley will find tougher competition in Illinois than he will Indiana and that’s just based on facts once you take in rankings, schedules, and placements.

From a coaching standpoint, Absolom Bryant, Mo Gunn, Nick Hull, and Chad Red have gone above and beyond for many different people in this sport and I couldn’t be more grateful we have them.

In honor of Black History Month, I’d like to know who are some Black wrestlers and coaches who’ve made an impact on this sport for you in some way whether as a fan, wrestler, or teammate? Indiana has a rich history of Black athletes and leaders in wrestling, and it’s always good to see their efforts celebrated. Share any stories or memories you have.

Finally. Someone with some sense and a respectable, realistic take. I absolutely understand someone picking Hockaday, but to act as if Tylin has zero shot considering his own body of work is crazy.

Margin literally means nothing. Huyvaert been dominating all year and just lost to Zar Walker who was having matches with one point margins against unranked wrestlers. Stop glazing.

Bored, so figured I'd do this again. I'm going to seed these based on traditional seeding formats and seeding based on finish at semi-state to see how different it is. Traditional seeding criteria as follows: 10 matches towards record H2H wins Winning percentage Previous state experience Seeds (1-16) Jake Hockaday (Brownsburg), Jr., 33-2 - Two-time state champion, undefeated against Indiana competition Tylin Thrine (New Castle), So., 35-0 - 2023 state champion Hayden DeMarco (Chesterton), Sr., 44-0 - Two-time state medalist, 2024 semi-state champion Jackson Bradley (Cowan), So., 33-0 - 2023 state medalist, 2024 semi-state champion Eddie Goss (Center Grove), Jr., 33-5 - 2023 state medalist Carter Fielden (Garrett), So., 36-5 - 2023 state medalist Jack Davis (Bishop Chatard), So., 39-3 Tye Linser (Western), Sr., 32-3 Keith Parker (Ben Davis), Sr., 39-6 Quinten Schoeff (Avon), So., 32-8 Sonny Sessa (Crown Point), So., 21-12 Cole Vandygriff (New Pal), Jr., 28-7 Isaac Kuhn (Hamilton Heights), Sr., 30-6 Hayden Fritz (West Central), 41-3 Cole Stuffel (Yorktown), Sr., 33-10 Dylan Fernandez (Lafayette Harrison), Sr., 32-13 Pairings First Round #1 Hockaday (Brownsburg) vs. #16 Fernandez (Lafayette Harrison) #2 Thrine (New Castle) vs. #15 Stuffel (Yorktown) #3 DeMarco (Chesterton) vs. #14 Fritz (West Central) #4 Bradley (Cowan) vs. #13 Kuhn (Hamilton Heights) #5 Goss (CG) vs. #12 Vandygriff (New Pal) #6 Fielden (Garrett) vs. #11 Sessa (Crown Point) #7 Davis (Chatard) vs. #10 Schoeff (Avon) #8 Linser (Western) vs. #9 Parker (Ben Davis) Quarterfinal #1 Hockaday (Brownsburg) vs. #8 Linser (Western)/#9 Parker (Ben Davis) #2 Thrine (New Castle) vs. #7 Davis (Chatard) #3 DeMarco (Chesterton) vs. #6 Fielden (Garrett)/#11 Sessa (Crown Point) #4 Bradley (Cowan) vs. #5 Goss (CG) Now, pairing based on semi-state placement. Champs earn 1-4, runner-ups are 5-8, thirds are 9-12, and fourths are 13-16. Traditional seeding separation after that. Seeds (1-16) Jake Hockaday (Brownsburg), Jr., 33-2 - EV semi-state champion Tylin Thrine (New Castle), So., 35-0 - NC semi-state champion Hayden DeMarco (Chesterton), Sr., 44-0 - EC semi-state champion Jackson Bradley (Cowan), So., 33-0 - FW semi-state champion Eddie Goss (Center Grove), Jr., 33-5 - EV semi-state runner-up Tye Linser (Western), Sr., 32-3 - FW semi-state runner-up Sonny Sessa (Crown Point), So., 21-12 - EC semi-state runner-up Cole Vandygriff (New Pal), Jr., 28-7 - NC semi-state runner-up Carter Fielden (Garrett), So., 36-5 - FW semi-state third place Hayden Fritz (West Central), Sr., 41-3 - EC semi-state third place Jack Davis (Bishop Chatard), So., 39-3 - NC semi-state third place Keith Parker (Ben Davis), Sr., 39-6 - EV semi-state third place Isaac Kuhn (Hamilton Heights), Sr., 30-6 - NC semi-state fourth place Quinten Schoeff (Avon), So., 32-8 - EV semi-state fourth place Cole Stuffel (Yorktown), Sr., 33-10 - FW semi-state fourth place Dylan Fernandez (Lafayette Harrison), Sr., 32-13 - EC semi-state fourth place Pairings First Round #1 Hockaday (Brownsburg) vs. #16 Fernandez (Lafayette Harrison) #2 Thrine (New Castle) vs. #15 Stuffel (Yorktown) #3 DeMarco (Chesterton) vs. #14 Schoeff (Avon) #4 Bradley (Cowan) vs. #13 Kuhn (Hamilton Heights) #5 Goss (CG) vs. #12 Parker (Ben Davis) #6 Linser (Western) vs. #11 Davis (Chatard) #7 Sessa (Crown Point) vs. #10 Fritz (West Central) #8 Vandygriff (New Pal) vs. #9 Fielden (Garrett) Quarterfinal #1 Hockaday (Brownsburg) vs. #9 Fielden (Garrett) #2 Thrine (New Castle) vs. #7 Sessa (Crown Point) #3 DeMarco (Chesterton) vs. #6 Linser (Western)/#11 Davis (Chatard) #4 Bradley (Cowan) vs. #5 Goss (CG) Interesting match-ups all around either way, but the Bradley/Goss match-up would be consistent. If seeds held, Thrine would have interesting quarterfinal match-ups with either Sessa and Davis in dependent upon which sim you choose.

I was curious as to where you were going with it for a second, but then you summed it up well, and I wouldn’t be mad at this either.

Suggesting a massive overhaul to the state tournament series would be a waste of breath at this point because there are too many who don't like change, but I've heard plenty frustrated by the determining of alternates via "losing in the ticket round to the champ," as well as the rest of us upset about wrestlebacks. So, how about doing what the IHSAA has already done: Using wrestlebacks to determine fifth and sixth place finishers at semi-state. I believe the last time they'd done this was 2013. However, this time around fifth placers are qualifiers while sixth placers are alternates and at state all 4th/5th place finishers wrestle a pigtail to enter the main bracket. It would add 56 matches to the tournament, but with state starting earlier in recent years, it could be a decent move. It's not really a foreign concept and doesn't change the "determining a winner" formula, but could make the alternate situation much better as well as giving quarterfinal losers a chance to at least prove they belong at the state finals.

I don’t think bad wrestling exists up north. I am originally from Michigan City, Indiana, but I went to school in Indianapolis as I moved with my mom and brothers while my dad stayed up north. I didn’t start wrestling until eighth grade, but I quickly noticed A LOT of the best wrestlers were coming from up north. I’ve always considered the Region to be “top heavy” with the top-ranked wrestlers often being from that area. I don’t know if it’s because it’s a big metro area, but it’s certainly my favorite place to be because there’s no place like home, and the wrestling is top tier. I don’t think bad wrestling exists in that area. Every opponent I had from there was tough, each school had a solid schedule, if you competed in the DAC, you had some guts, and every wrestler up there had a certain air of toughness about them. This isn’t to say Northern, Northeastern, Eastern, Western, Central or Southern Indiana aren’t great and competitive, but some of the toughest opponents I remember were from the Region because they were (and still are) a hotbed of wrestling that gave my teammates and I some of our hardest matches. There’s always some D1 talent lurking there and a huge concentration of high placing wrestlers.

106: Boyd 113: Dickman 120: Jendreas 126: Hawkins 132: Thrine 138: Shepherd 144: Walker 150: Kresja 157: Pellot 165: Rinehart 175: Costello 190: Henry 215: W. Clark 285: P. Clark ECSS and REGION dominance with NINE champions (EIGHT Region) and SIX coming from Crown Point alone.

215 might be the deepest weight out there. Jesus.

215 - Chicione and Woodall first round is dirty, man.

Two unbeaten (Hockaday against IN) state champions meet in the semis, yet people think we don’t need seeds.

126 - LT AND MOSIER FIRST ROUND… THIS IS NASTY WORK