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  1. Hey Center Grove according to their webcast has Varsity A, Varsity B, and Varsity C. Do they have JV & Freshmen squads too?
  2. I'm going to have to change my location as a smart mouth response to ol Y2. I was born during the season that Al Smith lead the Cavemen to the team state title in MSA.
  3. I won't support his argument, but it was definitely a strategy used by a 1A powerhouse football program in Hamilton County in the mid to late 2000s. Shockingly that program went 4 straight state finals winning 3 of the 4. Our football offensive coordinator and weight training teacher was not pleased to find it out during a combine event.
  4. A former head coach & retired referee says @Y2CJ41 had to bribe his way onto the state finals bracket reveal show bc there isn't any other logical explanation! Im not the old coach or ref btw. Just wanted to pass his sentiments along since he's not going to be on here. He wanted to stir the pot
  5. Hopefully this stirs the pot: Adams County is the wrestling capital of Indiana. Historical success for teams & individuals along with current team dual success in 2A & 1A. Then the High School wrestling media coverage with WZBD radio that expanded to YouTube. Also The Berne Witness webcasts as well. The High School Wrestling Weekly with @decbell1 and crew covering the area & now whole state. Don't forget the coverage of Girls wrestling too! Maybe next year I can get ahead of the curve and get media coverage across the state line! I'd love to have coverage of the IHSAA tournament and then the OHSAA D3 tournament series following right after it. What other area covers those aspects of this sport?
  6. Wasn't even born, let alone thought about back then. You people are old
  7. How about at the time The#1County has 2 #1 teams? 2A #1 & undefeated Bellmont and 1A #1 (now with a loss & probably another or more coming) Adams Central. The same Jets that upset Cascade in the duals last year. They are also not even close to wrestling shape after a 3RD straight trip to Lucas Oil on the Gridiron! Don't forget about 1A #4 South Adams that are holding their own with top teams in the state! They started the Adams County 1A football run to Lucas Oil in 2020! They also placed higher than expected at last year's dual tournament. Definitely could place near the top this year as well in 1A. All this in the FW semi state where we aren't right by a major metro hotbed for wrestling like other places.
  8. It's simple, so that's why it will never happen in this state. The IHSAA needs to recognize the team state dual tournament and make it just like the football state tournament with the rule that a dual team is one that fills 8 weight classes. Have it tournament Tuesday or Thursday for those duals not counting in the stupid schedule points bs. This can run from mid January through February. Then the IHSAA needs to create a classed Individual tournament series that doesn't factor into the point system schedule bs. This can start last weekend of December or first weekend of January until the week before the single class Individual tournament series so 2-3 weeks. Use those results to help seed sectionals of the single class system. Make that point system be 18 +3T at minimum.
  9. Definitely. We avoid double elimination tournaments at all costs for our newer youth club in Ohio. Nothing ticks parents off more than driving an hour away and sitting for 4hrs while beginner Johnny wrestles 2 matches for maybe a combined minute against folkstyle state champ and freestyle state champ. Parents love the team duals & I agree with them!
  10. Witnessed this trend the past 3 years. Usually 4th grade year they don't come out after having success. Most responses evolve around losing to 1 kid at a couple tournaments. The kid will have placed 1st at 4 of the 6 tournaments and then finished 2nd or 3rd at the other 2 to the stud. Parents think their kid has hit their ceiling and can move on. Think parents are the ones getting tired & not the kids, but kids suffer. Definitely getting more parents that are soft in the past 3 years compared to the parents before them from 7 or 8 years ago. More kids missing practice than ever before and that's in all sports. Feel it won't be any better with the parents in years to come.
  11. Got my wish! Still football season this coming week! Week after we can officially start wrestling season.
  12. It's football season still here! Hopefully will be that way through Thanksgiving weekend if we are blessed again!
  13. I can respect stubborn . I'm not sure I agree on not wrestling national events, as that can make your state finals even more popular. Do you have the data of Indiana weights and do they truly fit these new NFHS categories well? That's my biggest concern. I find it hard they don't have a need for 182 from the statistics.
  14. Not totally against, but it makes me believe they were looking at their state & what's best for their statistics by not just automatically going with the guidance.
  15. This one more age specific for you? That link doesn't tell me anything about what the best weight classes for high school aged kids are. Your link has no data on weight distributions of high school aged kids. You have the weights & measurements correct? That link should give you the determination from one of the links & BMI charts you can look up if you want super specific. I was stating the national trend seems to suggest kids are getting heavier in general, as well as taller, & just bigger in general. I've had more youth football players need bigger equipment more than ever before from the high school & middle school teams in a personal experience, but you can definitely refute that as a bias in statistics. So tell me how you know specifically the NFHS powers are interpreting that data. They are looking at alpha weights, body fat percentages and forfeits throughout the country. Sure, do you know for sure if they're using a bell curve or do they have outliers? Anything that may skew the results not thought? Are you on their board and in their meetings? Possibly Very politician like answer but I'll let that be. Why aren't they taking the data from other sports and not trying to factor those in to increase multi sport participants? Probably due to no other sport having that kind of data. That's just a guess though. Fair enough Why do we have to have a national determination instead of state specific? Each state can determine what weight classes or even what NFHS rules to follow. Most abide, some do not. Michigan for example had different weight classes since the previous switch. Feel free to inquire with the IHSAA on why they follow 99% of the NFHS rules. This is what I'm truly hinting at in all of this. Just to have theoretical "national champions"? The NFHS doesn't sponsor any events. Yes, also falls in line with the above question and response. Why not just let the officiating rules be national and let specifics such as weight classes, singlets, and etc be entirely state specific instead of choosing their limited options? Each state can modify the NFHS suggested rules to their liking. Indiana in the past has added clarifications to different rules. Some state have different weight classes, some states interpret rules a little differently. So why have the NFHS? Just to be a basis?
  16. Are they doing so in proper methods for statistics is more of the question. Apparently Michigan feels they are not but Indiana feels they are. Goes back to my dead horse argument that Indiana, the IHSAA specifically, not the IHSWCA, does what's most convenient and or the easiest. The individual wrestling tournament is seeded at sectionals, which is far more difficult to do than team sports, yet they refuse to hear any arguments against their random draw. Can't even get a team dual tournament from the IHSAA, the IHSWCA has to do it. I digress though on that.
  17. https://www.aecf.org/blog/obesity-or-overweight-now-affect-1-in-3-youth-how-experts-are-responding This one more age specific for you? You can infer whatever you want. So tell me how you know specifically the NFHS powers are interpreting that data. Are you on their board and in their meetings? My guess is that you're getting their presentations & emails after their discussions that get passed on to the IHSAA and other state associations. Why aren't they taking the data from other sports and not trying to factor those in to increase multi sport participants? Why do we have to have a national determination instead of state specific? Just to have theoretical "national champions"? Why not just let the officiating rules be national and let specifics such as weight classes, singlets, and etc be entirely state specific instead of choosing their limited options?
  18. https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:VA6C2:58e9370e-df9c-48be-bf1b-b672011aa92c Here is just one for the many trends in the world, not just wrestling. Once again this would be adding new wrestlers to grow the sport on that weight class between the shifting 215/220 to HWT. Not going into their pick & choose method of the 14 weights every so often. The NFHS may have the data, but do they properly analyze it? Maybe we should go the route of youth (other places) for duals and base each individual dual matchup based on specific weights of the two teams. Could curb the drastic weight loss issue. You can still keep the specific weights for the individual state series from whatever they choose. Just food for thought, but team state would more than likely have to have rigid classes to make it operate smoothly. You know my biggest gripe is going to 144 from 145. May not seem like much, but that pound seems to be counter intuitive. Guess what, has 0 to do with any team I support. The other is the 175 to 190. Football coaches want those close to 0% body fat 6 ft plus 180lbers. Why did we deviate from the 182? The sport should be incentivizing natural weights to gain new wrestlers in my worthless opinion.
  19. My rant is that the national weight trend outside of wrestling even, seems to suggest that proposed 15th class is going to be one that would have participants to grow the sport. That 15 pound jump at the spot they made it is a big head scratcher. I would still feel this way regardless of how it affects a team I support. More because of a football first perspective honestly. That's one less opportunity for a football guy to get better in the off-season if I wanted to look at it selfishly. Yes, I had some issues with the last version of the 14, but it was much better than this current version. The NFHS doesn't need to set it specifically, the state association or better yet the coaches association with the state association should based on the data for their respective state. Idga you know what about how it affects the college level. Plain & simple it's their problem to figure out their 10 weights. I see more harm than good with the NFHS in most to all sports, not just wrestling.
  20. True, but why should that limit the kids from having an opportunity like the post above? Let me guess, the state associations would really want 13 but are having a hard time justifying it. This sport is both a team & individual sport as you know. There would be plenty of 250 lbers to go along with 215/220 & Hwts. I'd love having more linemen or those big fullbacks/running backs on the mat to get better for football and learn lessons in life from wrestling. Definitely needs to be tweaks on duals vs individual tournaments for sure. This community in the state is one of the few that can seed a tournament and definitely could figure it out without the NFHS or IHSAA and their outdated methods.
  21. Very frustrating! The weight classes for the NFHS are ridiculous for 12, 13, & 14 weight class options. I'd actually like to see 15 with weights back to the last round of 14 we had & adding a 250lb class.
  22. Curious to see if the weights are correct at the end of the line up for AC. The new weight classes (awful in my opinion) did the team 0 favors. See if the rumors I have been told are true or not.
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