asbury4040

26 minutes ago, wrestleliferfan said:

Why wouldn't it be held at Bankers? All State Championship Classes for basketball are held there and it works? It'd work. 

Don't compare this to the tearing down of monuments! That was done in hate. Class wrestling is actually the exact opposite purpose.

Adult dialogue? I don't think anywhere in this conversation have you had a good adult debate with anyone. This wasn't intended to demean others opinions. I started this thread to actually  hear pros and cons and gain information. All your replies are less opinion and more tearing down other's opinions. 

In order of your points:

1) The Basketball games at Bankers are half empty to three quarters empty. I'm sure there have been exceptions. 

2)My point to the monuments was if you scream loud enough ( like the admin did for basketball) you will get class wrestling. I am against class. I stated why w the soft comments. 

3)There is no hate. There is nothing outta bounds. The idea of class wrestling sucks. I respect the fact some of you want class wrestling. I respect the ones who don't. I got fired up when it got personal and my post were being edited. At the end of the day I think it's not good to give everyone trophies n ribbons. I am sorry for getting off topic in some of the fodder. Enough said. Good luck to everyone this wknd! 

6 minutes ago, TeamGarcia said:

Let’s see <Pound Sign>HendricksCountySmellsFunny  

 

yep that looks edited by someone 

Where I'm from that's shady! 

Just now, asbury4040 said:

You're not telling the truth. My last sentence up a couple posts was edited. I put nice fella bag and it was turned into a nice fella. 

It just did it agin. Must be something you have integrated into the software. Can I say SOFTWARE with out getting you guys fired up?

1 minute ago, Y2CJ41 said:

False, none of your posts have been edited. 

You're not telling the truth. My last sentence up a couple posts was edited. I put nice fella bag and it was turned into a nice fella. 

6 minutes ago, MustangDaddy said:

If Livingston is the only guy you know from Edgewood... I feel sorry for you! Lol! That's a joke btw. Livingston and I are good friends. I guess I'll just say that I know who you are and I know your boy through wrestling with Outlaws... and my name is Nate Koontz... the MustangDaddy! 

Ok, ya, we know each other. It's simple dialogue. I do appreciate you putting your name to your comments. Since the moderator of this forum called out my kid It has fired me up. We made the move cuz we wanted to get into a service academy. I wanted the tougher academics and still be at a decent wrestling program. That's what I meant to you by it's a matter of perspective. We didn't move from a place where we couldn't crack the lineup to a place he falls right in. What kinda lesson is that? Anyway... my rant is over. As far as Livingston I agree! Lol... he's a good dude that I love. 

Ok.... my post are getting edited so I will leave. Y2... stay classy

3 minutes ago, MustangDaddy said:

I won't go so far asbury4040 as to insult you. I know you and you know me and I respect your opinion and I do appreciate the statement that kids are soft. I agree with that statement. I will, however, rebut by saying this. If wrestling, by itself, is a tough sport, and kids these days are soft, shouldn't we do what we can to get more kids to wrestle?

I would go so far to say that even the kids that wrestle for 4 years and never make it to state, or never win their conference, or never have a winning record, are still better off in life because they've experienced walking on the mat and going to battle one on one with another person. They gain confidence and drive by working through the daily grind. My argument is simply that more kids would wrestle and kids at small schools or even programs that can only get half of a roster together, will maybe be more driven when they can see a goal that is attainable. 

Ok. I agree w what kids get out of wrestling. I put my kid in it! I guess it comes down to what each of us define as an attainable goal. Our goal was and is bigger than wrestling. It's just a matter of perspective. As far as us knowing each other I doubt it. I only know Livingston from your neck of the woods. I'm sure your a good dude though. I've only met one nice fella bag in all of our years wrestling...lol

5 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

If we had a state tournament, why wouldn't it be at Bankers Life?

Also,  it looks like you just submitted in your debate with Y2, so you lose.  Ill give him 1st place trophy?  And you have done a very competitive, tenuous and really tried hard on your side of the debate.  I appreciate the effort will be sending you your participation.

 

Negative. Just hold on to it. Thanks, buddy. 

2 hours ago, JMILL said:

Maybe we should have a Freshman only state, a sophomore only state, a Junior only state and a senior only state. 

then older kids aren't picking on younger kids..............#NoClassWrestling

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side note......... @asbury4040 I love your posts buddy !!!   Keep up the good work  #PainTrain

I guess you can't have discussion without hurting people's feelings. 

49 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

Funny how Mr. Asbury moved his son from Cloverdale, a small school, to Brownsburg, one of over 2000. Sounds very interesting from someone that is opposed to class wrestling.

Why I moved my sone is obviously none of your business or anybody else's. You're making it personal and that's out of bounds. 

1 minute ago, Y2CJ41 said:

State could still be held at Bankers Life, there is plenty of room for more mats. I'm glad you are so concerned about the venue though.

I'm not. I'm sure you guys know what it has done to basketball. I know they're different sports. As far as my soft kids comment I stand by it! Today's kids are soft as hell!!!!! I didn't say wrestlers were. I said kids. Today's kids in general. Again, keep it clean internet tough guys. 

Y2, you win. Here's your trophy. I've been told to give in or you will ban me. To the rest of you I say lighten up. It's my opinion. Keep hiding behind your keyboard. Anyone who knows me knows the truth. Here's a question. Where will you hold your class tournament? It wouldn't be Bankers. The fairgrounds? Oh... ya, We can have it in Ft. Wayne. Nobody would go except parents n family. Whatever you guys want though. If you keep crying enough we will give in. Just like everything else in the world. We're erasing history, tearing down monuments, etc.... why? To appease the soft society. Again, if you want to make this personal then reach out to me. We can have adult dialogue. Right! 

31 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

So in real life, like where you work,  Is the president of the company the only winner, and the rest of the employees a bunch of losers who get a year end participation gift certificate to their favorite local restaurant?   Are you the president/champion?

No, I need to improve as well. I'd like to think that one day down the road I could be the president or CEO. I call that a goal. 

55 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

I have been leading the charge for class wrestling for quite a while. I have always been very vocal about it.

So if a kid doesn't make it to state he has no heart or determination? Amazing that only 224 kids each year have that, such a sad society we live in.

You're spinning my words to fit your narrative. 224? There's only 14 champions. That means everyone else needs to work harder. Who are we to say making it to State is the bar?? Your solution is to add more classes. Why? For more champions or for more placers? Or both? To me that's watered down. Also, this is just my opinion. I respect all of your opinions. So don't get personal. 

50 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

For every school and every sport my kids  competed in, they always got a participation certificate at the year end  banquet/meeting.  Does the soft ass/ entitled label  only apply to trophies or does it also apply to certificates.  If it does, Im going to go give them back right now?  Nobody is going to call my kid soft ass and entitled.

I don't know you or your kid. I'm talking athletic competition. Actually, I'll include life in that as well. 

1 hour ago, Galagore said:

Which trophies would be considered "participation"? Only the smallest division? Or all divisions? Or is there a cut off...say the lower two divisions or what have you?

 

 

Participation in the fact 2nd place is/was the last loser. Why hand out anything besides 1st place? When you're on the podium only first place should be holding anything. In case you ask why that is it's because he/she earned it. 

26 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

They must have started this downfall in the 60's and 70's when MOST states went to class wrestling.

I live in Indiana. I'm only worried about Indiana. Why not be the leader and not the follower? You guys can cry all day about class wrestling. It really boils down to the kid, his heart, his determination. Simple. Class wrestling will do the same as class basketball. If that's what you like then good. It's really a matter of taste. Y2, you can bring up all the stats you want. It won't change the fact we're letting soft ass adults raise soft ass kids. Obviously this is just MY OPINION. I can't stand participation trophies. I especially can't stand adults telling kids losing is ok!!!! Give little johnny something to strive for instead of telling him good job when he just got his ass handed to him! 

On 2/2/2018 at 11:59 PM, Y2CJ41 said:

So we should let 1A wrestling die? Ohhh I know, they should just work harder.

Note wrestling participation is down across the country, even in our great single class state. What are we going to blame that on? 

We can blame it on society. As a whole we're raising a bunch of soft ass entitled kids. We need to quit giving out participation trophies. You either suck and need to work harder or you have worked hard and you're at the top of the food chain. 

1 hour ago, btk111 said:

How is Michael doing? Praying for good news. 

He's doing better. He's out of the woods as far as staying above ground. He has some muscle movement in certain areas of the left side. He was in a harness on Friday for physical therapy. Obviously the goal is to get him fully operational. Long road ahead but he's a tough kid! 

2 hours ago, Sydokun said:

Brayden won OW at Moorseville this year. I don't think he was in the most stacked weight, but did bump up to 120 and was dominate up to the finals. Then had a good match with Cash. I know he has been very humble and respectful of his follow competitor. I would hope that had more to do with it then just his performance as an athlete.  To me OW should be a balance of Ability / Sportsmanship and not just based on name and the ability to pin / TF every kid as fast as they can. Just my opinion. Very interesting topic and to be honest until now i had not given it much thought. 

I was there and that was worth whatever I paid to get in

On 1/26/2018 at 6:36 PM, 1prouddad said:

Any updates?

He's stable. Has no movement on his left side. Not sure if he's out of the woods yet. He's in great shape, obviously, so hopefully everything works out in his favor! 

Update: surgery went as well as expected. He has lost movement on the left side of his body. He is in bad shape but still kicking! Long road ahead. It really sucks. Michael was Peyton's first round opponent this Saturday. The Irony is them two plus my nephew were Steve Livingston's first kids in the club 11 years ago at Cloverdale. Please keep Michael and his family in your prayers. 

Michael Anderson is a Senior wrestler at Greencastle High School. He was rushed to the hospital tonight via lifeline and is battling. Please keep his teammates, friends and family in your thoughts! 

2 hours ago, grappleapple said:

How do you get motivated to not be a bad sectional? You can work to be a good wrestler, but that won't change who your competition is. And, these things are ever-changing. A bad team today might be a great team in a few years. Look at Shenandoah last year - they proved that.

Ya, I was just stating that if something is not what you want it to be then try harder. The question was strongest/weakest. Avon is the strongest in my opinion. I say that cuz of the individuals in this sectional are studs that put in a lot of offseason work. We have the most state placers from a sectional if I were to guess. I don't care how small your school is or how many kids you have. If you want to be good then get good. If not, don't. 

15 minutes ago, throw45 said:

That's cool Phil.  "Look how crappy the kids are in this sectional"..maybe that would be a better lead for which sectional is the worst.  It's not a matter of taking things serious, it's just a matter of tact.  Look it up.  

Or they could use it as motivation to not be a bad sectional. Im not sure they're bad but I'm sure there are better.