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Posts posted by gsmith58

  1. On 1/17/2020 at 3:33 PM, blueandgold said:

    We’re two weeks out from sectionals and this is always the best time of the year. Most kids begin to peak around this time and wrestle their absolute best through February. What individuals or teams put together some of the most impressive, deepest, and/or memorable runs through Bankers Life can you remember? I have a few.


    2015 – Jordan Vaughn, Franklin Central, 43-6, 11 | Runner-Up at 132 lbs.

    • Vaughn had previously been a two-time semi-state qualifier for the Flashes, and had just finished third in the Perry Meridian regional. The next two weekends were special though. Vaughn went on one of the most impressive hot streaks I can remember by bringing it to Jack Chastain in the semifinals followed by a good finals win over Nick Ellis. Vaughn then continued his run through the state by knocking off Griffin Schermer and upsetting Connor Knapp in the semis before ultimately falling to an otherwordly Nick Lee in the finals.


    ...and approximately 258 slide-bys along the way.


    And as big as Trawick was can you really call anything a upset. I remember him tossing Ridle like he was a rag-doll.


    Parris, well...does Parris like things.

  2. 57 minutes ago, GenHeavyHandz said:

    He or she? Stop 🛑 bro. Have someone around his weight?  My son’s wrestle 12U 70 and 10U 100: In Iowa.  I’m not being optimistic I hope the kid becomes the best of all time. I just want him to be challenged and I believe he will be. I think he wants the challenge. That’s why he bumped up earlier in the year. Now naturally if a kid from my former high school challenged him I wouldn’t be mad.


    I'd be happy to take odds. I'll give you the Indiana field and three years (well 2 and half) to come up with a one point loss or a win.

  3. Thanks for the update. I saw the scoring and figured as much. As I recall from a couple of years back, Egli was lighting quick and a pretty talented wrestler. I would have thought Egli could hang around and keep it close, but I wouldn't have dreamed he could put Hammack on his back. It must have been a heck of an effort. 


    The other thing I have observed over watching Hammack after a loss you don't want to be the next one in his path. 

  4. 33 minutes ago, SWINfan said:

    Another really tough first round match up is Reed Egli vs. Coy Hammack. 
    - Hammack, a freshman, has wrestled for MCWC and has numerous ISWA State Titles.  
    - Egli, appears to have quit wrestling (perhaps), and come back this year.  There is a 3+ year gap in wrestling results in Track Wrestling.  But he had solid results as a youth including a  couple of ISWA State titles and a 2-0 victory over Hammack at 50 lbs in 2013.  That one result tells me there will be utter domination in this match!  


    If Hammack is a decent sized 106, he's one of the best in the state. There are a lots of wrestlers in the rankings that he has lit up over the years through youth and middle school.

  5. I would note there is a distinction between club/ISWA & academy/ISWA routes. Clubs are good for beginners and those wanting to get their son or daughters feet wet. Most clubs are seasonal, often running between October to May at the latest (assuming they wrestle the ISWA freestyle season). That said, the top high schools may have feeder programs going on year round (more like academies). They are the most cost effective and depending on the coach and club very good. Good clubs will produce very good wrestlers.


    Academies run year round 3 to 4 days a week and cost around $80-$100/month. That doesn't mean athletes have to go year round, only that they are available. Some wrestlers take few months off or reduce the number of days they attend during baseball &/or football seasons. Wrestlers in those rooms range from beginner to High State champion. The rooms are focused and serious, but that isn't to say they aren't fun. There are lots of little guys just starting. If you decide that route and given your distance parameters, I would second julia2009's recommendation on CIA. They produce top notch wrestlers at all levels.


    At every step from starting through High School you can see the distinction between beginner, elementary club/ISWA, starting at middle school & academy/ISWA before they ever step on the mat.

  6. 51 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

    Not that I care, but If you challenge the rankings then give us a detailed "tale of the tape" between Fishers and Southport.   Somebody needs to sell it. Not just a little snip-it.   Give "Decbell" some real info for the next ranking.



    No, I'm not challenging or even remotely criticizing the rankings. It's certainly feasible that Fisher &/or Franklin Central would beat us in a dual, but they might not. 


    What I have is what you see at the top of this post. I am sure there are defensible positions as to why Fishers and Franklin Central were ranked and we weren't. I'm just pointing out what I see, nothing more, nothing less. For all I know there are many deserving teams that should be considered above us (or above Fishers and Franklin Central).


    The rankers do a great job, and I certainly understand you can't please everyone (sometimes anyone). This was not intended as a criticism of the rankers.


    What I do know is where there is a lot of noise signal can go unseen.

  7. 29 minutes ago, bbulldog152 said:

    This happened be cause we matched up better with the team we lost by 12. There's too many variables to base it off of common wins. Now if Southport beat a team that beat fishers they would have a good argument


    I take your point and I agree in principle. However, that really only works if the ranking are quantifiable and objective measures; they aren't always. By what measures did Fishers and Franklin Central get ranked ahead of Southport? We've never wrestled them in a dual. There is a level of subjectivity involved and that's the fun. And for what it's worth, we received the trophy at New Castle, so someone used some type of criteria to award it to us over them. Just say'n 😉


    Besides, I'm simply trying to get some visibility and to have folks take into consideration new information. It's about reducing uncertainty, not expecting certainty.

  8. 18 minutes ago, pritchem said:

    Fishers and Southport were both at Hurrle on 11/23 and Fishers did finish ahead of Southport in points, although it is true that the two teams did not meet at every weight class. 


    On the other hand, Southport did win more of the head-to-head matches where they did wrestle.   


    Sounds like a great dual!  We could settle this at Bloomington South on Saturday! 😎  Rumor has it there are only three schools competing.  :mellow:


    H!. I wish we could, but we have county, and the coach isn't particular inclined to my suggestions  ;)


    I know a number of the wrestlers on Fisher, they're good kids. I didn't and don't want my post to be misconstrued as maligning their accomplishments. I definitely root for your 106 through 126 whenever I can (except, of course, against our kids). Hey, they're all CIA alums.

  9. Okay, let me start off with four premises: 1) I'm a homer for Southport, 2) I'm not the person who posted about love for Southport & Franklin Central (but good for them), 3) I am fully aware Southport is not in Perry's constellation (or Brownsburg, MD, Warren, Roncalli, Franklin Community, etc), 4) And most importantly, I do not want to start a flame war.


    That said, I noticed that Fishers and Franklin Central made the overall ranking at 19 and 20 (Fishers beat Franklin Central 35-32). And again, good for them. 


    But, I want to point out that against common opponents at last weekend's New Castle Duals, Southport was the better of the two. Perhaps they were missing some wrestlers, but nevertheless the scores below might be instructive. I'm not trying to take anything away from Fishers or Franklin Central, but just asking for a measly point or two of consideration for Southport.





  10. 4 hours ago, Bigtoe19 said:

    Hello All,  I am doing some research on some EVSS wrestler. I may have over looked or they may have Quit or not made Line-up

    If you have knowledge , would enjoy hearing it. Thanks BT19


    106) Neutzman- PField,   Tharpe- CG,   Bengtson- Bl. S.,   Milanes- Jasper,    Gentry- T.City

    126) Greene- Mrsville,       132) Gordon- Col.E,    Polen- Gib. S,        138) Moore- Castle

    145)  Holt- PField,    Bryant- Gib. S,      170)  Hoover- Gib. S                                                                 Thanks Again

    I am going to take a wild stab and guess that Neutzman and Bengtson are nowhere near 106 these days, but I have seen stranger things.

  11. 9 minutes ago, ontherise219 said:


    If Seng is the MD 106, it will be a close match, but Zirkelbach has beaten him (Freestyle at least) in the past year.

  12. Amen. With the "Details" please. Scores are better than nothing, but the individual matches make it interesting.


    15 hours ago, Bigtoe19 said:

    Just wondering when the Coach's from this week are going to Post their Results??

    I am 1 that watches this site to keep up on what happens around the State in the

    Wrestling World. I fell there is going to be a lot of weight shuffling in the South. 

    So enter those duals and results for us Avid followers.  Thanks BT19


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