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Everything posted by Westforkwhite

  1. 25-30 in a school of 500 is excellent. Heck 15-20 is very good. And you were able to have success in a single class environment that drove participation. Albeit you would have had more success in a multi class system, but would that have translated into numbers greater than 25-30 than they've achieved in the single class format? My point is that 25 wrestlers in a school of 500 means that 1 in 10 boys are on the wrestling team, those are astronomical numbers. Example: If Penn is getting 10% of their boys to wrestle they have 150 kids on the team. We know Penn has huge numbers, but they are nowh
  2. I think there is very real potential for this. We certainly see it in our surrounding states. I'm not sure this is the worst thing though, providing class wrestling created benefits in quantity and quality, we could probably live with it
  3. All very logical anecdotal evidence. But how big of a jump in numbers could we expect from the 1A schools? How many kids would you expect class wrestling to add to the total number of wrestlers in 1A (varsity & jv)? Would it be 100, 200, 500, 1000? We should be measuring the health of the sport by total kids wrestling in IN HS(7300), not on which schools are having success.
  4. I see the potential benefit for them and others, don't get me wrong, but they seem to see it differently. It's quite possible they are in the minority among their 1A peers in feeling that way, but they are also in the minority of 1A schools in terms of their commitment to the sport. I don't know if there is a correlation, but there might be.
  5. I think what you are suggesting could be true, and I would bet there would be a few programs that would benefit. However in all the anecdotal examples provided by you and others at small schools, they have one thing in common, they cared about wrestling. If a tree falls and there is no one there.... Just the same with additional placement opportunities created by class would fall on mostly on deaf ears at 1A schools. It won't go unheard at places like Prarie Hgts or Shenandoah, but interestingly enough they have shown mostly opposition towards class. So if the schools that stand to reap the gr
  6. Tha That fails the fairness sniff, but it it's very logical from an exposure perpestive.
  7. but that wasn't your question/statement. You insinuated there should be an equal chance to make/place at state, and I disagree for the multitude of factors that make those wrestlers different (and of course their probability as male students at the school are near equal to their 3A counterparts)
  8. I don't think even the most staunch of single class guys would argue that class wrestling caused this dropoff. There is a lot of other things going on from a societal perspective. I wonder if consolidation played a factor? I know OH hasn't gone as consolidation crazy as we did in the 60's and 70's, but maybe that plays a role?
  9. Does Johnny JV who makes the varsity spot via injury have an equal chance of qualifying/placing as Joe Lee? Does a swimmer have an equal chance just because they entered the race?
  10. Here are the participation rates (population/not students) Example: IN has 7300 wrestlers in HS, and a population of 6.6M thus the participation rate is = .114% State 1976 1989 2006 2015 California 0.122% 0.072% 0.065% 0.068% Florida 0.074% 0.055% 0.042% 0.041% Georgia 0.132% 0.069% 0.079% 0.082% Illinois 0.193% 0.136% 0.121% 0.117% Indiana 0.223% 0.178% 0.129% 0.114% Iowa 0.431% 0.263% 0.241% 0.218% Kansas 0.207% 0.182% 0.191% 0.171% Michigan 0.199% 0.113% 0.119% 0.095% Minnesota 0.318% 0.168% 0.149% 0.149% Missouri 0.257% 0.143% 0.118% 0.112% New Jersey 0.191% 0.13
  11. I took the data for 16 states from the NFHS report and added to an excel document. I added the state populations to a few respective years to demonstrate the participation rate. (Ideally I would have used HS enrollment #s but unfortunately I couldn't track them down for all states, and wanted to have uniform data to compare) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HNBS484FDpdlZkoTzRwNW3A5whhDcaxSDx8n4l4KeCE/edit?usp=sharing
  12. Population of OH has increased since 1976, but I couldn't find exact #s on how many kids were in grades 9-12 looking backwards.
  13. There are years missing from the data in 69-76, and I couldn't find any data prior. It would be interesting to see. OH and PA 30K wrestlers back in 76 and now PA has 9K and OH has 11K.
  14. 1) False, when would this ever be true? Even with the exact same environment, room size and coaching they will not be equal because each kid is different. 2) True 3) True, but you seem to expect that the # of students shouldn't matter as it relates to equal representation in qualifiers or placers 4) True, but with exception of the placers being slightly below their expected average, they are experiencing a fair environment. Unless you expect 11% to have 33% of the success. Why doesn't anyone want to discuss the impacts of multi class wrestling on 2A or 3A schools? We spend all our t
  15. I tend to agree with this statement. I however don't have the experience dealing with College Coaches that many of the posters on the board do, but I'm not seeing much of an argument against it.
  16. Which is more important - Having more wrestlers competing in HS wrestling at all size levels in IN? or Having fewer forfeits at the 1A level?
  17. This negates the number of students a respective wrestler must compete against to gain a varsity spot. You don't have the same chance of making the varsity spot at 3A that you do in 1A, so therefore the chances of being an entrant in the tournament goes up exponential at a smaller school.
  18. How do you see multi class wrestling helping our kids get recognized and recruited by Colleges? Or let everyone know why you feel it would hurt Exposure?
  19. How do you anticipate multi class wrestling will help the quality of Indiana HS wrestling, or hurt it? Please limit the discussion to perceived improvements/detractions to Quality. Thanks
  20. So again I ask the question.. Does fairness mean that the wrestlers representing 11-12% of the students should have 33% of the success?
  21. Article in the Muncie paper is on point with some of the discussion here: http://www.thestarpress.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/02/20/dcaa-wrestling-back-its-former-glory/98165424/
  22. Absolutely. But where is it written each school should have an equal chance regardless of their population? This assumption that all schools should have an equal #s of qualifiers and placers is farcical. Your amount of success should be dictated by your numbers, which gives each respective male in the school an equal chance of being a qualifier or placer.
  23. So would you expect to as many good apples in 1 bushel as you could find in 10 bushels? No of course you wouldn't, probability would dictate more good apples coming from 10 bushels.
  24. I think a major factor in the lack of placers is the abundance of multi sport athletes in 1A is disproportionate to the other classes. I'm not saying work harder, I'm saying that you can't expect to have to success of an athlete whose sole focus is wrestling, when you spread yourself over 3 sports. Placers represent an elite group of wrestlers, and your numbers show that as a whole the kids placing are specializing in one sport. Are you in essence saying that 1A kids shouldn't have to dedicate themselves to one sport yet should have equal success with kids that do? There are a lot of bene
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