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Everything posted by Westforkwhite

  1. That is pretty accurate. (except A is the urban regional with a 1/3 of the participating schools not having MS wrestling) I would venture to say that the top 6 teams in B are better from a dual standpoint than the top 6 from B. Regional A is better 8-12, maybe even 7-15, but not by a lot.
  2. They have been in essentially the same categories for that timeframe. I understand that SPs and SQs aren't part of the predictive model they are using, but when you are scoring a regional higher you are saying in essence that the 3rd and 4th place finishers will be better on average than those of a lower scored regional. So if this was true, wouldn't we see more SQs at least once during a 5 year period in which A has always had a higher score? Especially when they are competing in the same SS. It seems statistically improbable that this wouldn't happen at least once.
  3. Thanks, and I did see a bit of the description in the 3A post and prior discussions of comparisons of A & B specifically. The points raised were that A had more depth and B was more top heavy, but you start comparing 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 and so on and you get to team 6 or 7 before the regional A team is better. A is better at 8-12 but its a wash after that. I think your context of it not being a "rating is important and I didn't state my premise correctly, but I'd think a regional that was truly harder to get thru would produce more SQs and SPs at least once in a 5 year span. Particularly whe
  4. I was a little confused about the ratings for a couple respective regionals, so I looked back over the last 5 years to see what the reason may have been. Looking at the 2 regionals in comparison, which would you believe is better? Regional A Yr SQs SPs 2013 13 5 2014 14 5 2015 16 5 2016 11 6 2017 15 1 13.8 SQs/Yr 4.4 SPs/Yr Regional B Yr SQs SPs 2013 18 11 2014 14 7 2015 20 9 2016 19 7 2017 17 10 17.6 SQs/Yr 8.8 SPs/Yr Both in the same semi-state. Regional A has not once in 5 years had more SQs or SPs than Regional B. Regional B has averaged doubl
  5. Just curious, what's some of the rationale behind not wanting to go to compression gear?
  6. I think there is some implication that kids on the Gold/Blue teams aren't having a good experience. My son's experience on the blue team last year was a good one, now he couldn't compare that to the Gorillas team (not having been on one) but he still had a good time. Would we have liked the cost to be down, sure, but it wasn't the bank breaker that Fargo or Cadet/Jr. Duals are.
  7. https://sports.vice.com/en_us/video/wrestling-for-peace-in-south-sudan
  8. As much I would love to see a stronger embrace of the international styles here in the US, I also see great value in FK. American folkstyle is uniquely ours, and it originated from traditional English styles of wrestling that has long since disappeared in the UK. I certainly don't think we want to lose folkstyle as it is a part of our unique cultural heritage. Twenty years ago when I would travel to various small and mid sized cities across the country, they used to look different. Each one had their own independent restaurants and shops, and character that made it unique. Now when I trav
  9. So you are saying FS and GR has a perception problem as opposed to an actual problem?
  10. You are absolutely correct, but he'd be more inclined to understand the rules if they weren't a moving target. I understand the recent rule changes have been implemented to try to keep the sport viable and make it more exciting, as they were facing losing FS and GR as olympic sports. Whether the most recent changes have help or hurt, I don't have the expertise to say (you however do) but either way it makes it more difficult for the newcomers or casual fans. If you want more participation in Olympic styles you first need to boost interest. If kids aren't exposed to it (because dad doesn't
  11. Although I agree if there were to be a switch we should move more towards FS or GR as opposed to the world being expected to embrace FK. However the issue he is bringing up regarding the rules is valid and shared by many folkstyle fans. The ambiguity of many calls in FS (not to mention flat out match fixing) hurts the sport, and does it no favors in drawing new eyeballs to the sport. The rule changes every other year isn't helping either. Ultimately the guy who already likes folkstyle wrestling should be easier for the FS and GR to acquire as fans, as opposed to someone who is entirely unfamil
  12. As long as the hormone therapy is in line with the gender norm, I don't really see a problem. Or in other words if the boy (in transition) doesn't receive more testosterone than the typical HS male, then no advantage is gained, and why should that student be prevented from competing against boys? I get the concerns more regarding girls (in transition) that still have more testosterone than their competitors and would create unfair advantages (in much the same way as the wrestler in the article had an advantage due to his hormone therapy)
  13. 1) How do you define what fair looks like for HS wrestling in IN? 2) Do you believe or current system is unfair? 3) Do you believe class wrestling would improve fairness?
  14. I do believe that the off season tournaments are the best way to get your kid exposure. That said, my son (like yours) wants to wrestle in college. He was a 9-SSQ, 10-SQ, and 11-SQ, and he like your son has competed with and beaten SQ/SP from many states (including champs from MI & CO). Do you think those kids from MI or CO are getting more looks than my son based on the credentials? Off season tournaments aside, don't you believe that your son would have gotten more attention from college coaches had he placed higher/more often in a multi class format? (as obviously he would have been cap
  15. Calculations in reference to the total medals the state hands out. If we go to 3 classes, 3A only gets 33% of the medals, yet they represent 63% of the students (and likely near that % of the total wrestlers in the state). Which means a perspective boy in a 1A school would be approximately 6 times as likely to qualify/place just by virtue of going to a smaller school.
  16. I think your point about off season tournaments is a good one, however you've not really spoken to why you believe multi class wouldn't help. For us to expect out-of-state coaches to understand what a SSQ means or that an SQ doesn't have the advantage of wrestlebacks, I think is unwise. SQ or SP means more than SSQ, and it's very possible this gets kids more looks. I'm I missing something or leaving out an important part of the equation?
  17. Everyone on the class side is up in arms about the couple percentage point gap for 1A to achieve their proportionate share. But class wrestling would mean that 11% of the athletes get 1/3 of the medals, and 63% would get 33% of the total medals. If we are concerned with 2-3% gap on 1A why doesn't it bother you we'd have a 30% inequity in 3A? If we perceive the current status of 1A medals an injustice, how could we perceive the 30% gap that would be created for 3A any differently?
  18. But the largest gains in participation from your example are coming from 2A and 3A. In your example (using avg 1A school size of 350) that would constitute 1750 total 1A participants. Lets say there are 1200 wrestlers in 1A(this may be low) that would yield about 550 new wrestlers. Which means that you expect 650 wrestlers to be added to 2A & 3A, which is more than you would expect to add to 1A. Most (if not all) of the multi class discussion centers around the perceived inequity to 1A schools. Yet even in your example you cite the potential for greater gains in 2A & 3A. Doesn't i
  19. Only listed the states used in the spreadsheet I attached. MO however didn't have their historical tournament information posted to their MSHSAA website, nor could I find a complete listing of past tournaments elsewhere. If you have additional info on the years and classes for MO, please share.
  20. I still don't that experience or that it could and would happen elsewhere. My real question is how many schools can we realistically expect to field 20% or more of their available boys on the wrestling team. This takes an enormous time commitment(as you well know), that simply having a kid medal at state won't replace. Its relish on the hotdog, without having the hotdog first the relish only contributes so much
  21. Very true, but you tend to dismiss these teams as anomalies when they are brought up as disproving that 1A teams can't compete. So now to hold them out as the rule rather than the exception as it relates to participation seems contradictory.
  22. The goal behind this topic was to discuss exposure, and it seems we've digressed (myself included). So to redirect I'd like to ask the question... Can anyone put forth a solid argument that multi class wrestling won't help exposure? As it seems this topic strongly favors class wrestling.
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