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13 minutes ago, SWINfan said:

It didn't cost him the win, but OK State's Jacobe Smith didn't scout well and chooses down against Hughes in the 2nd period.  Hughes rides him the whole 2nd period then chose top in the 3rd.  Hughes got 2 back points and riding time to take the match to sudden victory.  As proven in the first period where Smith took the 4-1 lead, he gets the takedown in SV to get the 6-4 win.  

Hughes could be dangerous if he could make big improvements from his feet by next year.  He can't win at a high level being strong only on top.

Did you see Y2 sitting matside smiling as big as the sky when OK St choose down in the second?

Saw Y2 sitting matside on 5. He was grinning ear to ear when OK St chooses down on Drew Hughes. Needless to say it was a huge mistake.

4 hours ago, Indysportsfan said:

I was under the impression Elijah Oliver qualified for the NCAA tournament all 4 years....is that not consistency?

Fair point, but its representative of zero growth. If a guy is ranked 12th in his freshman year one would expect the progression is to 2 or 3 time AA, not 4 time qualifier. That said he looks the best he's been in years and primed for a deep run. Hopefully it turns into an AA Sr season.

On 3/11/2019 at 5:38 PM, Y2CJ41 said:

A major part of it is parents and the events. Name another sport where a kid will get 5 minutes of "playing time" over 3-8 hours? The way we have always done it can't be an excuse to change the format of our events. I know we have a lot of success with the weeknight events where another club comes and they match up on the fly. 

We have to sell the sport to not only the kids, but also the parents or they'll find something else for their kid to do.

That's spot on.

I think the current local tourney formats are a turnoff. Trying to squeeze HS thru K wrestlers into one gym(s) and making kids wait all day to wrestle twice is turning kids away not growing the sport. I understand local clubs have to generate revenue and this has always been the model but maybe we need to explore other options. Volunteers put countess hours in to make these tourneys go, and not one of them intentionally makes kids wait for 5 hours between matches. Unfortunately it still happens and will continue to happen under the current system.

Wouldn't that volunteer time be better spent on something that was driving interest in our sport, or at the very least not driving them away?

I'm not sure what that looks like, but maybe some Round Robin as Galagore mentions or the evening tourneys where kids can get in and out quick. More age specific events? 

On 3/11/2019 at 2:10 PM, Y2CJ41 said:

Check out the finals match at the 1:52 mark, great match with a crazy ending.

https://www.ncaa.com/video/wrestling/2019-03-09/diii-wrestling-championship-full-replay

Awesome finish! Congrats to National Champion Darden Schurg!

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6394462-an-outsiders-take-on-the-big-ten-championships

An interesting take from a wrestling neophyte. I think he hits on a lot of what's good (skill level, athleticism and competitiveness) about the sport and some of what's bad (singlets, etc...). 

Red really impressed the writer with athletic ability, determination and showmanship. As much as myself and many others on the board love the way Nick Lee takes care of business in a workmanlike fashion and when he wins he acts like he's been there, this doesn't move the fan needle. We need to recognize there is a place for both, and when competing for fan interest, like it or not, guys like Red are the ones keeping fans watching.

Wonderful story, great article.  Kudos to coach Hoover, and all involved Thanks for posting Y2

Weather permitting, it should be an interesting matchup. I'm excited to see if Lee can show some seperation or if Red can bring back his form and pull the upset. It's getting hyped on flo and intermat.

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6317221-live-this-week-jan-17-20-2019

Some good press for Parris.

http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/21183

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/world/europe/russia-dagestan-wrestling.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fworld&action=click&contentCollection=world&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=2&pgtype=sectionfront&referer=https://www.nytimes.com/section/world

Youth participation in wrestling thwarts extremism, not a bad attribute for any sport.

5 minutes ago, Jayruss said:

I figured I left out a couple states. Was a pint in when I did that math 

Lol. Your point was still valid, IN wrestling is on the uptick.

11 hours ago, Jayruss said:

I did the math, not including the smallest states assuming I shouldn’t, we are 4th per capita. Googled state’s populations and did some calculations. We are trending upwards. And we have more Lee’s and a Parris coming up. Sprinkle in a few others. 

We are actually 6th. Although CA and MI would drop, both OK and IA would move up on a per capita basis.

Still pretty impressive.

29 minutes ago, SWINfan said:

Lee lost to Eierman by fall at the 2016 UWW Junior Freestyle Nationals.  That loss dropped Lee to the 7th/8th Place match.  That was a loaded field.  Eierman went to on finish 4th, losing to none other than Yianni Diakomihalis.  That field finished:

1st Mitchell McKee
2nd Seth Gross
3rd Yianni D
4th Jaydin Eierman
5th Taylor Lamont
6th Scotty Parker
7th Nick Lee
8th Joshua Terao

All were wrestling in Nationals this week.

That was a stacked weight for sure.

1 minute ago, Caleb Spires said:

As an Ohio State fan, I don’t think Pletcher has nearly any shot against the Micic that’s been coming on strong the last few weeks and(I can’t believe I’m saying this about a Michigan wrestler with a tight team race), but I would much rather see Micic win. Watching a Pletcher match is equivalent to watching grass grow, and Micic is one of the most fun to watch in the field, even without the Indiana bias.

I agree. Micic is wrestling at such a high level. His top game has grown by leaps and bounds and his neutral looks better (and he was pretty darn good on his feet already). I think he handles Pletcher and believe he can pull one out with Gross.

What time does it start? 

Secondarily, do you believe this helps or hurts the argument that class wrestling would significantly improve forfeits?

http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/19842

What do you think of contracting weights for dual purposes? It seemed like quite a few folks on the board were in favor of this. How do you see it impacting participation?

With Sinkovics and H. Lee claiming NAIA titles, i contemplated which IN kids are the hopefuls in 3 NCAA divisions. Here of my thoughts, but I'd like to hear your opinions.

D1

133 Micic (solid)

There is a Jackrabbit that will have a lot to say about that, but Micic has been wrestling great and he'll come in on the opposite side of the bracket.

141 N. Lee (outside)

Getting AA at that weight will be quite an accomplishment for a true frosh. PSU has a knack for getting kids to peak at NCAAs and we all know Lee is putting the work in, so who knows maybe he pulls a Cinzo.

D2

125 Glogouski

141 Nick Crume (solid)

Crume has been right there his first 3 years. Going 5th, 2nd, and 5th. I think he caps off an amazing career at UIndy with a Title!

157 Kemper

D3

133 Owen Doster

AA last year and has improved. He certainly has a reasonable shot at it.

157 Kyle Hatch

Has been really good this year and is ranked top 5 coming in.

149 Austin Bethel

Never know when he might pin a wrestler or two he wasn't supposed to. He has been improving at the right time.

174 Darden Schurg

Probably the most solid (along with Doster) of the of group in respect to his title chances. He has been wrestling great and ranked #2 for most of the year.

How off base, or overly optimistic am I? Who did i leave off that has a shot at a title this year?

Sinkovics and Lee get small write ups.

https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/19831

10 hours ago, Caleb Spires said:

Wow only two people picked Joey McKenna. That’s paying off.

A lot of people will be rooting for Carr.

http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/19815

Sinkovics becomes a 4 time all american. One of 68 in NAIA history 

125 Lee (3)

133 Micic (4)

141 Lee (1)

149 Retherford (10)

157 Kimmerer (7)

165 Joseph  (2)

174 Hall (8)

184 Nickal (9)

197 Moore (6)

Hwt Snyder  (5)

PSU 130 pts

12 hours ago, GrecoCoach said:

I envision the kid's parents saying something like "He is special so I don't want him treated like everyone else, but at the same time, he shouldn't be singled out so treat him like everyone else."

This is one of these new-age coaching nightmares.  In hindsight, the best solution would have been for the coach to have a private meeting with the kid and parents to discuss every potential situation and the best way to handle them.

I'm just confused how he was "outed" when a couple years ago "he" was a "she"?  Sounds like a civil liberties group or just MSM used that wording to escalate the story.

I think you are right. It sounds like an attempt to squeeze a settlement out of the school corp. I still feel bad for the kid, because clearly he isnt driving the bus on this.

12 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

The Texas issue is that the association won't let him wrestle against boys.

The Ohio situation, I look at it as a coach when you tell everyone they need to shower after practice. You can't say, everyone needs to shower, except Billy over here, he's special. The other issue that will arise is weigh-ins. 

Both are things I hope I don't have to deal with as a coach as there are so many "fun" things to deal with.

It certainly isn't an easy position to be in as a coach, parent, admin, and especially the athlete. I wouldnt want to be that coach, but if i were i would try to do my best not to single the kid out. That said i wonder what kind of legal exposure might that create from parents of the other kids on the team?

Talk on the Yappi board suggests that the coach may have been told by others after the season started. The coach then presented to Admins. Again this is just message board chatter so take it for what it's worth, but it sounds like the coach is pretty well respected. Timing is a bit suspect as the team is preparing to host districts this weekend, so there may have been planning for maximum effect.