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Will try and find the articles & video I saw, but Disabato was on video record saying to the point, "Dr. did medical exam for extend length of time, but there was no 'sexual activities' and (he homophobically stressed that); Also said many times he had never told Jordan of 'specific sexual abuse allegations'. Again, said he contends that Jordan should have known through locker room talk. Legally that won't fly and he know it. Now they are stretching extended exam duration as abuse; Helickson did say he talked about the shower hogging & creepiness. Ironically now it is revealed that the so called video Disabato made was "The Video was produced in June by former OSU wrester Mike DiSabato's company Combat Athlete Coalition, he told CNN. The company represents the collective interests of former college athletes in matters of compensation and safety issues." $$$ With Disabato's lawsuits against OSU, business issues, and now this, it is clear he wants money at all costs. https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/us/ohio-state-sexual-abuse-allegations-video/index.html As to shower stalking, not to hard to imagine that was the case, as in the 70's and 80's the facilities arms race and privacy are nothing like today. Except for Iowa and maybe Michigan, most Big Ten wrestling teams would have been lucky to have a room that was not crammed under some basketball arena seats or located/shared with a physical education co-rec facility, and were stuck in open multiple use locker rooms with the general student population, other olympic sport teams, and/or training staff, while football and basketball had their own secure locker rooms. So it would not be surprising to have members of the training staff using the same public showers. I am not excusing it, just providing context to how easy it was facility wise.

Again, this is about Jordan. Let's get to what we all agree on. All the video and quotes from Disabato (future felon) and Yetts (former felon) had taught us: #1 - "We were never molested, or had oral, etc....", but the the doctor was a "serial groper". #2 - They both publicly NEVER told Jordan of any allegations of sexual abuse, etc. (because they were none), but now they indicate that Jordan should have known from all the 'shop talk', or 'locker room banter'...yet they all said they did not report any abuse. Now Disabato story is on the move yet again and he is claiming that "...he told Jim Jones, the athletic director from 1987 to 1994, when he presented his master's thesis on issues of substance and sexual abuse among athletes at the school." But never said he was molested. We are finding out, DiSabato was frantically emailing Jordan AFTER he had gone to OSU to try and get a settlement when seeing the potential payout that was going on at Michigan State. So to put more pressure on, he also tried to rope in Jordan's brother who did not attend OSU. Yes, it is highly possible something happened to other students. No it ain't these two scammers http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180718/man-who-first-spoke-up-about-ohio-state-docs-sex-abuse-complicated-figure Sorry, but my college assistants knew little about my day-to-day life other than my major, and how well I was finishing my low single, could I put more hip and head pressure on defense, what time I had to arrive for two-a-days and 1 private work out a week. We didn't share the same locker room, the same shower, or go to the same bars, and he had no idea of what girl I was dating that week. The assumption that they should have know seems noble, but not the case. Of course, why would Jeff Jordan send his kids to Ohio State if he was aware of such a cesspool as Disabato claims? This is about wanting tarnish a great ambassador of the sport and man with integrity for $money$. By trying to smear Jordan, who is legally innocent. by their own words, they hope to make people think he is the one who did the abuse, and they are ok with that for the money. My predictions, Yetts will be back in prison AGAIN one day, because that is who he is, and Disabato will be sticking a gun in his mouth, before or after he is bankrupt. It will be interesting to see the long term impact on the Ohio / Jordan relationship going forward....

The recent article states a wrestler that came forward was from before Jordan was at OSU.

Exactly, how many coaches are trained & familiar with many of these medical procedures. As coach, you try and set a good example and teach the values you wish to uphold as men and as a program. The coach that is too chummy with his wrestlers is guaranteed to screw himself later. Think back to the things wrestlers, or any college student might do on the weekend; as long as it is legal and ethical, you stay out of trouble, went to class, did your school work, and progressed to graduation, that was the top priority. Beyond that most assistant coaches are cognizant enough to NOT stay around and listen too, or swap war stories with your kids from the previous weekend's festivities, and for good reasons. #1, they should have their own life, #2, it does not set a good example, and #3 plausible deniability.

Story on the kid he wrestled - 'Strong Like Bull' - https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/16469

Moxy

Illinois - 8 finalists and 12 other AA's with four (4) others going for third is a pretty impressive haul. Yet they get all their best guys out of California.

Confirms one thing what we already knew, that there is a lot of weirdos at Ohio State

Agree - The conundrum is, report what? "If Jordan was told and didn't report it that is a big issue". There is a wide river between players being creeped out & sarcastically making light of "the doctor with cold hands", to the MSU and PSU situation. The doctor may have, to be determined after investigation, have been found to cross that line. If so, hang him, go after those who knew. But what get's me is that both instigators on the wrestling side have made this about Jordan and not the doctor; yet both these tools, Disabato & Yetts, have both claimed that NOTHING happened except the issues of what they believed was extra attention during a hernia exam, and even then, they said they sarcastically joked about it in the locker room as a running legend. And further, they ALL indicated that they individually never knew or never reported of anything of specific abuse to Jordan. But yet they still want to claim "he knew", because of locker room banter. The stuff that college kids say, stories they talk about, and did on the weekend gets pretty crazy - a coach who does not 'pal' around with the guys is not going to stick around and listen to that for good reason... Mike Disabato even tried to extort Jeff Jordan by copying him on the crazy emails he was sending to Jim Jordan, even though Jeff never wrestled or coached at Ohio State.

So far, the public claims by all 5 is that the doctor may have held on longer during hernia check, and they felt he ogled them in the shower. They, so far, publicly indicate nothing beyond that. Creepy, yes, and easy to claim abuse 30 years later. All have claimed none of them told Jordan of any 'alleged abuse'. The definition has changed in their eyes. But if that is all they said happened in passing to the coaches, legally hard to allege they knew about 'abuse' - weirdos, yes. It's totally another level if any of the students had also said he acted beyond their current allegations, if you now what I mean. All they have attested to is that they told Jordan kinew that the doctor was creepy. IMO, They are taking a serious situation with blurred lines, and exploiting it for personal gain.

Disabato & the other wrestlers speaking out are claiming the doctor held their genitalia longer than they thought it should during a check for a hernia, and that the doctor had cold hands. They have not claimed anything beyond that - talking just about the wrestlers and what may have been communicated. Hard to take action back then on just that. That is not exactly indicative of abuse, less so if you are not a specialist or knowledgeable to the procedure, etc. Creepy, sure, but not illegal in that context. The other aspect mentioned is the voyeurism on behalf of the people trying to use the shower or watch, which may or may not have included the doctor, which Hellickson has publicly said he addressed Their quotes: Anonymous Athlete - ""I remember coming up and saying, 'Strauss held my balls longer than normal" Disabato - "The former wrestler recalled one of his encounters with Strauss, saying, "He examined my genitalia in detail. There was no masturbation or anything, but he definitely looked it over and checked it out."

I lived through that era with creepy trainers - most wrestlers are well informed at that age of what someone is doing. I fear for the younger kids exposed. I am sure plenty college kids would be uncomfortable with a request for more than a normal extra coughs, etc. Sorry, but the Larry Nasser pelvic exam is not going to work the same on wrestlers - that would get around fast. Thus far, the only accusations for the wrestling side of these stories is objectification in showers and doctors during the cough exam. Will be interesting to see what else is reported. Most important is legitimately addressing true abuse cases. You just have to know that era of the OSU wrestling team - Hellickson just came over from Wisconsin as assistant and head coach, and had to try and turn OSU around which was a under-performing gold mine. He had some good early guys like Marinelli, the normal Dasabito (Adam), Ramsey, Holman, but then he started landing some of the crazy's and misfits of Ohio instead of the normal Ohio guys he started off with - some strange dudes. Everyone on that list making the accusations Jordan knew something is so predictable to anyone that knew these guys in that era. Jordan was a boring, no nonsense guy and did not click personally with some of these misfits. Will be interesting to see fallout of the Jordan clan with these profiteers salacious accusations that Jordan knew, despite ALL of them to a man claiming they never said anything or knew of any other specific cases. That's a serious character assassination and betrayal...just another example why Jeff & Jim went to Wisconsin in the first place.

Those were young kids - I would expect mature Big Ten Wrestlers to act different.

Hearsay and 'being handsy', showering with the team, or allegedly 'holding your nutsack' for a physical cough test a little longer is very, very creepy, but not exactly a reportable abuse. As a matter of fact, if you brought that up today, you would be sued for defamation from the LGBT crowd, Knew what? If they all claim they never told him, but you had locker room banter that the doctor may have been creepy that doesn't prove anything. It seems that 30 years ago, all of these 5 claim legitimately of being homophobic of the doctor's actions, which is not a crime (their homophobia); yet from that 'joking around', they expected Jordan to take action to their homophobia? Again, none have claimed they directly told Jordan anything of abuse they suffered beyond the above creepy hearsay. Funny how none of the other assistant coaches are being discussed. I know most of the 5 who claim 'he knew' through competition and camps. I will take the word of people like Luke Skove, Rex Holman, Lee Kemp, Russ Helickson over guys like Mike Disabato (who is nothing like his brothers) and has rampant legal issues against OSU (and is admittedly having financial issues), or Yetts, who went to prison for weed and ripping off friends & clients of millions, or a roider transfer like Mark Coleman. And Disbato just didn't have licensing issues, he was scamming his current company by putting his sales agreements, while working for his employer, into legal names of other companies he personally owned - that is low class illegal. As to being a 'Big Ten Medal of Honor' winner, every school get's two to four recipients per year and based partially on grades - Ohio State is a fine school, but the academic difficulty there is like getting a diploma in a Cracker Jack box. I feel bad for the actual victims... If Helickson had no direct complaints, but talked to the administration to get the creepiness to subside, what else is he to do? I can tell you first hand what they Jordan guys are like; they coach hard, will come in and work private one-on-one work-outs for the best or worst guy on the team, and then they go home and take care of business and family in a private way. They are not the type to linger, hang out with the team at bars, etc. It was a coach and student relationship of respect. They are not negative and demeaning, and are willing to put in what you are willing to put in. If you told them of illegal activities, these are not the type of people that take no action - it's not that they are brave, etc., it just the type of no nonsense people they are. Tell you what, our assistant coaches had their own locker room and shower, not sure about OSU. But the other irony is the lawyers doing the investigation being Hillary's lawyers. Read Holman's statement: http://ohiowrestling.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6734&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45 And here is what David Range said - "Range said he never discussed the issue directly with Jordan one on one and did not know whether anyone made a formal report, but he said Jordan was present during group conversations in the locker room about Strauss’s behavior. “We talked about it all the time in the locker room” while Jordan was there, he said. “Everybody joked about it and talked about it all the time.” Range said Strauss, who has been accused of abusing athletes in more than a dozen sports during his time as an athletic doctor, touched wrestlers inappropriately during examinations and ogled them in the locker room showers. “He just fondled you a little too long while he gave you a hernia check,” said Range, a Cleveland resident who said he is involved in mixed martial arts. “And then he stayed in the showers, like, an hour until everyone was done.”

Exactly - these two are out for the money and will take down anyone; the bull pucky that "they considered Jordan their friend". Both Yetts and DiSabato have shown they will fook their friends for anything. Yetts got people he befriended to invest with him, including their retirement savings, and he stole that, before being busted with marijuana distribution, etc. Only served 18 months and he got off light. He originally attended Purdue for football scholarship his RS & freshman year and had a reputation then before bolting for Ohio State to wrestle. DiSabato has sued or been sued in just about every venture he has participated in, and is possibly still having money issues; he also has had litigation with Ohio State University; will be interesting to what his brothers say about him or Head Coach Russ Hellickson. https://www.thelantern.com/2009/11/fighting-for-then-losing-to-ohio-state/ Some of the other wrestlers are claiming that they are doing it for the money given the payouts MSU is looking at: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/395461-ohio-state-sex-scandal-complicates-jordans-possible-speaker-bid?amp&__twitter_impression=true "Pardos, who has been interviewed by investigators, accused some of his former teammates of trying to cash in following Michigan State University's $500 million settlement with hundreds of sexual abuse victims of former university and USA Gymnastics physician Larry Nassar. "After Larry Nassar, everyone is seeing dollar signs," Pardos said. If you have ever had any dealings with either Jeff or Jim Jordan in the 1980's or 1990's, you would find they are two of the most down to earth, no-nonsense people you will ever deal with. They will have your back, but are professional about it - they are not the type of people to be out partying it up with the team, setting a bad example. They are persons of few words, but those few words they did use were important and honest.

125 - Hudkins - Lamont comes in hurt, thought Brock had a chance. When healthy, Lamont is a top 5 guy. 125 - Welch - for him that first match off the scale might be the hardest. First round wins are huge in avoiding an extra round of wrestle back. Problem is he has Lee from Iowa in next round who is a monster on top and teched him last at Big Ten's; sorry, he's in for some pain. He has a winnable match in the wrestlebacks, but then he gets the loser of Russell of Edinboro and Piccininni of Oklahoma State. He lost to Russell earlier in the year like 8-5 at Midlands, but I think it is a good match-up for him. If he wins that, he then gets loser of the Cruz, Bresser, Lizak quarter to AA. Lizak could tech him on top, but he I don't know if he gets Lizak of the scale in that round, which would be a huge advantage since Lizak is cutting a ton. He matches up well with Bresser, and has unfamiliarity with Cruz. 141 - Red - College is a bit different than high school, when a 4x state Champ takes his lumps. Now wrestling guys who are more physically mature, even the average guys. He had a good stuffing top game in high school, which I thought would translate well into college, may take some time. He could get away with rednecking young Indiana guys, but not college kids. 141 - Lee - Ryan Diehl caught him with a cow catcher. I predicted at Big Tens that Diehl would catch Red and he almost did. Diehl is a funk, high risk guy who will roll and funk throw you. This is how he caught Thorn a few weeks back who was an AA years ago. You don't want to scramble on the mat or in a front headlock with the guy. He is setting you up.

Curtis - Yorktown 7th @106 in 2016 Champion @106 in 2017 Champion @113 in 2018 2019 Weight & Place? 120 & 126 have some depth coming back, with his frame, have to expect a growth or jump. Garcia - Avon Champion @106 in 2016 3rd @113 in 2017 Champion at @126 in 2018 2019 Weight & Place? 132 could be this years 126 in terms of depth....Rooks, Mosconi,

Sometimes those losses are the catalyst to creating the career he has after.

Questioning why such common sense safeguards are not employed is the issue. It does not matter who the official is or his integrity. This rests on many shoulders. You don't think the refs have a quick meeting before the tournament on specific issues or rules every session? I would expect the head ref to say every round "thanks for being here and doing what you do, everyone appreciates it. Now go out and enjoy some good wrestling, be consistent, communicate with your 2nd official, don't become part of the match, and for the sake of common sense & appearances, if you have a match where you might be affiliated in any way with either of the schools, stay as the secondary official, or come get me and I will swap you out for a match" Boom, all done.

that's pretty dam good

I'm sure he is, but it doesn't matter, he could be the Dalai Lama.- the appearance is enough to encourage all to use common sense. How hard was it to tell the other official on the mat to take the lead as the primary ref for the match, especially in the semi-finals? Again, common sense goes a long, long way.

But sometimes with the familiarity, and official can get used to one wrestler's flow/style/schtick (can work both ways), hence sometimes focusing on the wrestler they have not seen; that's just human behavioral nature. Back in the day, we had several boosters, alumni, and teachers/administrators that were refs. During the season, they would occasionally get our team's dual meet, no big deal. But in postseason, they always went to other regional or semi-state; at state, they were sure to take themselves off of a match that involved someone from our school, because it was common sense. As a wrestler, I never wanted any of these guys doing my match for reasons on both sides of the ledger. It's a cop-out to say it is logistically difficult. At the State Finals, each mat has 2 officials; not hard to make a switch with the primary or 2ndary, or to tell the chief official, "hey put me on the other mat for a match, this kid coming up is from my school". It's not like they don't keep 2 extra refs on duty as they rotate. Sorry, I put this on the Supervisor of Officials, head coach, and the ref. Use some common sense.

He’s got athletic skills you can’t teach - if he opens the throttle a little more, look out

For the semi-state or state finals it’s not that hard

What’s his name? So you are claiming intimate knowledge of how well liked & successful as a ref he is, but have no knowledge of his alumni status?