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    Coach Brobst reacted to Y2CJ41 in Joey Langeman of Carmel commits to   
    Congratulations to Joey Langeman from Carmel for signing with Trine. He is projected to wrestle 133.

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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Raven27 in Setting the correct schedule   
    I like the idea. Not committing to coming or anything but it's a good idea. Zionsville hosts a tourney in December that does 2 pools and crosses over so you get lots of matches and at least a few at your level. The John Hurrle at Tech the first weekend is pretty much like that. A couple teams enter multiple athletes per weight, some don't and you have kids that are very talented and kids that are extremely new to the sport all in the same bracket, but by the end of the day, they've found their level. 
     
    I will tell you, it takes a LONG time to run these tourneys because nobody is ever eliminated, but they're great for program development and meeting kids across multiple levels. 
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Wrestling Scholar in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    That would help and Scholars idea of giving a chance to win titles might incentive some for sure. But I can tell you as one of those small town boys that is now coaching at a large school that making a living is priority number one for most of us (Coaching is my passion, but doesn't pay the bills) and if you're a teacher there is a GREAT disparity between what I would make at a school such as my hometown school compared to here at HSE. A quick google search for what teacher contracts are at some smaller schools compared to pay scales at larger schools will show you why many leave. Obviously, if they don't teach, it won't make a difference, but having someone in the building to help with recruitment and retention is extremely helpful. 
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Raven27 in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    You'll get no argument from me that it is a locality issue more than a school size issue, but there are still sheer numbers, attraction of staff, and budgets on the side of the larger school. Unfortunately, classing based off of your "opportunity" is not really an option. And just like you are not as against classing as your posts may seem, I like one class just fine, but I still see the disadvantages of the small school and what they have to overcome to be as good.
     
     
    I appreciate hearing the other side as well and the sentiment you have brought forth is the common one here in Indiana, which is why I know classing will never happen here. It is great to see kids from small schools succeed despite the odds and upsets are fun. Nobody would say the tournament in Indiana isn't fun, I just wonder if it's what is best for the sport's health. For every coach up to the challenge like you, Courtney, and Coach King at Oak Hill, there's 2-3 coaches struggling to put together a full roster of bodies, let alone Regional/Semi-State level wrestlers. 
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from bbulldog152 in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    Absolutely not stating that all small schools have poor coaching, don't get it twisted here. What I'm saying is that on average, the coaching received at a larger school is more solid and there's several reasons for this, namely the difference in pay between the large schools and small schools. I can tell you there are several coaches that have left smaller schools for larger because of opportunity to put kids into the state finals on a more regular basis (an issue that would be resolved with class wrestling), just as another reason. Put up a poll and see why coaches move from smaller schools to larger. I think it'd be interesting to see the reasons given.
     
    One obvious reason that hasn't been touched on is the fact that there aren't as many teaching jobs in small schools, so if they can get a great coach in place, he's often not able to be in the building to teach all day. This makes a big difference in the ability to recruit and retain wrestlers. And the larger the school, the more potential openings to get more coaches in the building and have more coaches period. I've been doing this for a decade and believe it or not, not every athlete I've coached has liked me or my style of coaching or wrestling. But I work hard to hire assistants who will stay in the same philosophy but have different strengths and expertise that allow us to be a well rounded staff. This catches many of the athletes that may not jive super well with me, but they really like being coached by one of my assistants. This opportunity is often lost at a small school where there is only one assistant stipend, if that. The ability to recruit and retain assistants is a HUGE difference between the different sized schools, eliminating even MORE of their potential athlete pool.
     
    I'm not trying to knock the coaching at small schools, I've known many awesome coaches at smaller schools that are still there. It's a labor of love for them and they are killing it in their own right. When they find their group of committed individuals they do great things and are just as successful, I'm just pointing out that it's a lot harder to get and keep a great coach at a small school with a limited budget. Of course it happens, but far more often it doesn't happen. I feel as though you point out the successes of a Mater Dei, Oak Hill, or Wabash, but neglect that there are dozens of 1A and 2A schools like Taylor Kokomo or South Vermillion that haven't had an individual qualify for state in years (Y2 just posted a bunch of this data, but I don't have time to review it all) and this year didn't even get a Regional Qualifier. I know the data suggests that 1A schools are qualifying the right numbers of individuals, but they're all from the same schools that have been able to buck the overall trends. That doesn't make it equal for all individuals.
     
    With regards to weight training, most small schools don't have a strength coach on staff so they're at the mercy of their own coach's expertise or the internet research they can do(which will be extremely variant from place to place). Is it a huge difference? Perhaps not, but these things all add up. Even if the kids from school A are only getting a 10% boost from their weights coach and a 10% boost from their practice partners, that's a 20% advantage (assuming they have equal coaching). 
     
    I agree the crux is whether or not each INDIVIDUAL is on a level playing field, and I'm arguing they're not. A kid that grows up at Small school A with a coach that is part time because he owns his own landscaping company and can't afford to take off to help during the offseason and there is no local club and they have to drive farther for tournaments and they have to pay for hotels to stay there and compete and drive to a larger city to train just so they can  have a practice partner that's able to push them is NOT on an equal playing field to a kid who grows up at Large School B where the coach is engaging athletes year round, they start wrestling in a club learning the system at the age of 4-8 and can train locally with quality practice partners whenever they please.
     
    Can these odds be overcome? Most definitely! But they are not on an equal playing field to start. It takes MORE sacrifice to succeed in our sport when you grow up in a small school system and that is by definition, not equal.
     
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these guys from large schools aren't working hard or sacrificing, they are and you don't succeed without it in our sport. However, there are inherent advantages to growing up in Avon/Brownsburg, Evansville, etc; compared to growing up in Fairmount,Salem, Bloomfield etc; that make the sacrifices slightly less (fewer hotel costs, a quality local club, more academy options nearby, etc;). 
     
    I don't think anyone is saying that school size is the only factor here, it's definitely not, and I'd argue not even the biggest factor, but it's what everyone is used to using to classify schools, so there's the argument.
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    Coach Brobst reacted to AJ in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    So what is the bigger factor: money or school size? 
     
    If a school is one of those "they got money" schools does it really matter their size?  The money gives them the opportunities that are described as benefits to large schools - training partners (clubs), coaching etc...
     
    There are many large schools that do not serve a "money" population that struggle in wresting and other sports.
     
     
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    Coach Brobst reacted to nkraus in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    This whole thread and group of replies has became ridiculous.  I feel that there's a lot of common sense left out of many statements made in this thread.
     
    We just had a kid become a two time finalist from Garrett.  Our athlete was naturally gifted, but also worked his tail off.  Our kid went to RTC's, Fargo, Camps, Private sessions with coaches, and spent extra time in the weight room.  He did phenomenal and had a phenomenal career.  He did amazing and will have a phenomenal college career and life!
     
    All that being said...we are not a big school...he was the exception to the rule...he went above and beyond the requirements to be elite.  I'm sure other small school kids that were elite did the same.  If we compare the "average athlete at a "Big School" compared to the "average athlete at a small school," we're going to find at the root they're very much the same.  But, when we dig deeper, we're going to find that the athlete at the larger school has more training partners, more opportunities, and generally speaking, pretty good coaching.  There's good coaching at smaller schools for sure, and I won't contest that.  However, if I were able to get every athlete at Garrett to wrestle, I'm pretty sure I still couldn't produce as many state champs as the "elite, bigger, better schools."  Regardless, none of that bothers me.  I love my community and I relish the underdog role and I feel that we can make some great things happen.   
     
    With all that being said, I prefer the team state series to be classed, but that's a no brainer.  If our state was to ever go to an individual class system, I'd prefer we went to a maximum of a 2 class system. 
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from IU89 in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    Do we feel as though the training offered (partners, coaching, weightlifting  and nutrition etc;) at all the smaller schools is equal to the training that larger schools can offer?
     
    I think the Crux of the argument relies on whether everyone is on a level playing field or not and I think anyone whose ever been to both can answer this pretty quickly. Interested in the Thoughts here.
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Bigyusm in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    Do we feel as though the training offered (partners, coaching, weightlifting  and nutrition etc;) at all the smaller schools is equal to the training that larger schools can offer?
     
    I think the Crux of the argument relies on whether everyone is on a level playing field or not and I think anyone whose ever been to both can answer this pretty quickly. Interested in the Thoughts here.
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Galagore in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    At the risk of opening a whole different can of worms, the two schools you guys are griping about him "skewing the data with" are both private schools that don't really have the same issues as public schools. I think everyone knows that there's more to the data than this, you're simply trying to use the data to fit your narrative, much like Joe is.
     
    Tradition means something, but tradition without land borders means unlimited potential. People from all over the state flock to those two programs because they can accept them without it being an IHSAA violation. Please note, I'm not saying they "recruit", I have no knowledge that they do, nor would I air that laundry on this forum, but if my son was zoned to go to a dying or floundering program and I had the opportunity and means to send them anywhere, well Cathedral and Mater Dei would be top choices, as they would be for probably anyone in the state. But these two schools, though smaller in numbers, are not like most other public schools.
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    Coach Brobst reacted to CFleshman in State tournament class statistics to not necessarily incite class wrestling discussion   
    The disadvantages of small school athletes.
    1 Facilities 
    2 Coaches 
    3 Athletes 
    4 Money 
    5 A winning mind set most small schools in any sport don't have a long winning tradition. Are athletes come in waves every 4-6 years. Not yearly. 
     
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Wrestling Scholar in Referees in the tournament   
    One thing I think most coaches would agree upon is that trying to get and remember names of officials we had at big tourneys or out of town events is very difficult when we’re busy filling out weigh in forms, preparing wrestlers for matches, etc; to get everyone’s name and commit it to memory.
    Three times this year, we had officials that were exceptional (two exceptionally good and one exceptionally bad) and I tried to make a point of learning their names, and I forgot them every time. I know the guys who do our area tourneys and work with us at duals, but when we go outside the area, it’s hard to remember people so I’m sure I didn’t evaluate several I had during the season.
     
    Point is: I’m sure I’m not the only one who can’t remember every officials name and sometimes those profiles don’t have pics to jog my memory/l.
     
    Solution: list what events they worked that year on the profile, require them to put pics on the profile, will help with reminding us who they are.
     
    Secondary solution, probably less popular: evaluate officials after each event when it’s fresh in mind rather than at the end of the year. There are obvious drawbacks but also obvious advantages to this. 
     
    Whatever is done, I believe having people vote on 100’s of officials, most of whom they do not know, is not helpful.
     
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    Coach Brobst reacted to graham in Things That Struck You as Interesting Tonight...   
    It was interesting that Bankers Life security made TSA agents look like waitstaff at TGI Fridays. 
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    Coach Brobst reacted to MattM in Suite Expectations   
    Basically just make sure anyone wanting in the suite had a ticket when they go to hallway leading to it.  That basically gets you past the ushers.   So if you are trading out who sitting in it,  just have those leaving pass their ticket onto someone else at a designated meeting spot in concession areas.   As long as it’s not chaos in the area the ushers don’t get to worried as long as the ticket is ready to show as you get to the hallway. 
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    Coach Brobst reacted to GrecoCoach in Alternative to "Wrestlebacks" at SemiState   
    I'm pretty sure I've posted this idea on here before, but here it is again...
     
    Let's start with some IHSAA philosophies, since they are the ones ultimately making the decision.  Bobby Cox and company don't like "wrestlebacks" so this is something different.  They are used to the one-and-done postseasons of football and basketball and have asked the wrestling coaches how many times someone should be allowed to lose and still move on.  Our answer should be 2 - double elimination.  The IHSAA views all 4 weeks as one big tournament.  So, make the whole thing as close to double elimination as possible, like every other wrestling tournament in the world.  That means we should guarantee that someone has lost twice in the tournament series or lost once to someone who has already lost twice (i.e., 4 over 1).  Right now, there are 2 times when this does not happen.  One is the pigtail round of Sectionals, which should be fixed by not pairing unseeded wrestlers against the top seeds.  The only other spot that happens is the ticket round of Semi State, where an undefeated postseason wrestler can lose to someone with 1 postseason loss.  That's what this solution will fix.  The IHSAA also doesn't believe in upsets.  They believe whoever wins must be the better wrestler.  We cannot use any upsets as examples, because in their minds upsets do not happen.  But if we can show them the fundamental flaw in their system that can be easily fixed with minimal effort, it has a much better chance of passing.  And finally, the IHSAA likes to make more money and loves it's own ideas.  This fix appeals to both of those philosophies, as well.
     
    And now for the idea...
    Qualify the top 5 out of each Semi State.  Several years ago, the IHSAA had one year when they added matches to 5th place, but it was only for team score purposes.  We bring back the IHSAA's own idea, so the ticket round losers pair up at the same time as the semifinals, and those winners wrestle for 5th at the same time as the 1st and 3rd place matches (like they do on Saturday of State).  If your SemiState ran the semis on 2 mats, then this would take no extra time.  If your SemiState ran the semis on 4 mats, then this would add about 45 minutes to the tournament.  This year, New Castle was done around 6pm with 10 minute breaks between rounds and a 30+ minute lunch break.
     
    State will then have 20 per weight class, which will be more fans/money for the IHSAA without watering down the state tournament.  Pair up the 4's versus 5's for an opening round on Friday night before the usual first round.  Banker's Life can easily hold 6 mats to actually make Friday night go quicker.  Details about the 20-man state bracket can be worked out later, but there would definitely be some exciting 4v5 and 5v1 matches on Friday night.
     
    Again, these would not be "wrestlebacks" - they are 5th place matches.  They are not meant to give kids who lost (or got upset or had a bad match) an extra chance.  This just fixes a systemic flaw in the "double elimination" of the tournament series overall.  If the Coaches' Association proposes it like this, it would have a better chance of being approved by the IHSAA.
     
    A couple of additional benefits to this would be having a true alternate (6th place finisher) and more accurate team scores.
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    Coach Brobst reacted to Perseverance in Great Article about Silas Allred and his inspirational father!   
    Genuinely appreciate each of your encouraging words. I equally appreciate all who read the article, and just choose to pray and encourage personally. Collectively means a lot to us as a family.
     
    With full transparency....I can say that I fell in love with the sport of wrestling for reasons other than just my son. He was just the vehicle God used to lead me to it. In fact, in the beginning Silas was average at best.  He was a chubby kid who had some natural gifts, but threw a nasty “lefty” headlock that resembled a Joe Frazier headshot. 😏  So yes....I was the “know nothing” over zealous dad in the corner yelling....”reach back and headlock him!” 😂
     
    But I became absorbed with learning the sport.  Only my scriptural studies took precedence over my wrestling research. And recognizing that attributes like self-sacrifice, humility, work ethic, commitment, perseverance, and above all accountability....were all factors in becoming truly elite at this sport.  That resonated in me, because those were the same characteristics I had to embrace to transform a formerly very wayward lifestyle, and become the man/dad/soldier God created me to be.
     
    Silas and I’s bond is so deep ridden, because we have grown together.  Both in the sport...as well as spiritually. The blessings of adversity....is that it breeds tremendous levels of persevering strength when approached with proper perspective.  We don’t see problems....we see opportunities.  And no disease, excuse, obstacle, or exterior setback will deter the true goal he and I both have dedicated our lives to.  And that’s simply this.....Be a better version of yourself today than you were yesterday.
    That daily application will literally push you to new heights that have no plateaus. Because you’ll be in a continuous evolution of forward progress.  So even during peaks in all facets of life....you’ll keep striving to move forward.  Even if in small increments.
     
    This sport, the above attributes I mentioned....have prepared me for this wrestling match with ALS.  Scripture tells us that “We don’t wrestle flesh and blood. But principalities, powers and spiritual wickedness in high places.”  There’s even a wrestling match in the Old Testament where Jacob literally wrestled with God all night.  He was left with a permanent limp.
    So translated....I won’t be an easy “out”.  It’s not in my DNA, nor is it the spiritual man God has molded me into.  I fully anticipate conquering this disease and being healed.  But if God’s healing doesn’t come until I’m called home....I guarantee you, I won’t get stuck or tech’d.  Even if I have to get pointed....I HAVE ALS, ALS doesn’t HAVE me.
     
    Thanks again for the prayerful support.
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Perseverance in Great Article about Silas Allred and his inspirational father!   
    That was a wonderful article! Myself and everyone involved with HSE wrestling will be keeping Eric and Silas in our thoughts and prayers. What a tremendous amount of grit they have both shown. Everyone needs to read this. Thanks for sharing!
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from RASSLER4LIFE in Great Article about Silas Allred and his inspirational father!   
    That was a wonderful article! Myself and everyone involved with HSE wrestling will be keeping Eric and Silas in our thoughts and prayers. What a tremendous amount of grit they have both shown. Everyone needs to read this. Thanks for sharing!
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from sslaymon in Great Article about Silas Allred and his inspirational father!   
    That was a wonderful article! Myself and everyone involved with HSE wrestling will be keeping Eric and Silas in our thoughts and prayers. What a tremendous amount of grit they have both shown. Everyone needs to read this. Thanks for sharing!
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    Coach Brobst reacted to sslaymon in Great Article about Silas Allred and his inspirational father!   
    Great article. Makes you rethink the ever popular Dan Gable quote, "Once you've wrestled, everything else in life is easy."
    Sounds like wrestling might be one of the easier things Silas has experienced so far in his young life. Wishing nothing but the best for the Allred family.  
     
    And major kudos, to the CIA group, Eppert, Gill and Ulmer for raising that amount of money to help their family out. Awesome of you guys to do that. 
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from piscis1956 in Great Article about Silas Allred and his inspirational father!   
    That was a wonderful article! Myself and everyone involved with HSE wrestling will be keeping Eric and Silas in our thoughts and prayers. What a tremendous amount of grit they have both shown. Everyone needs to read this. Thanks for sharing!
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from FCFIGHTER170 in Great Article about Silas Allred and his inspirational father!   
    That was a wonderful article! Myself and everyone involved with HSE wrestling will be keeping Eric and Silas in our thoughts and prayers. What a tremendous amount of grit they have both shown. Everyone needs to read this. Thanks for sharing!
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    Coach Brobst reacted to bulldog145 in Dominating Sectionals   
    I totally agree with that.... for this year's results.  I think we are both in agreement that there needs to be a change somehow, somewhere or these small school programs will disappear completely.  
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    Coach Brobst got a reaction from Wrestling Scholar in Dominating Sectionals   
    I'll agree that getting 6-8 to Regionals yearly would improve a program, but I'm not certain that would happen for anybody involved at the small schools. What we'd likely see is more Fishers kids qualify, more HSE kids qualify, and more Westfield kids qualify.
     
    Removal of Carmel and Lebanon would have resulted in the following numbers moving on (if we just bump 5th to 4th and 6th to 5th, etc; though I realize it wouldn't go down that way exactly).
     
    HSE: 12 (11 originally)
    Westfield: 12 (10 originally)
    Fishers: 12 (8 originally)
    Frankfort: 7 (2 originally)
    Sheridan: 5 (1 originally)
    Rossville: 3 (1 originally)
    Clinton Central: 3 (2 originally)
    Clinton Prarie: 2 (2 originally)
     
    Champs would have been broken down this way:
    HSE:6 (2 this year)
    Westfield: 5 (3 this year)
    Fishers: 1 (1 this year)
    Frankfort: 1 (0 this year)
    Clinton Prarie: 1 (0 this year)
     
    As you can see, of the 19 available spots vacating, 7 went to large schools, 5 more to Frankfort (much larger than the other schools in sectional) and a grand total of 7 went to the 4 1A schools.
     
    On the champions level, large schools increased by 6, Frankfort took 1, and 1A schools got 1.
     
    This doesn't even count the fact that moving 2 schools out, means at LEAST one (likely 2) schools come in, which will compete for and take their share of the spots as well (most likely candidates geographically are Crawfordsville, Zionsville (would create the same problem we're trying to fix), Western Boone, and North Montgomery, but it doesn't really matter which move over). 
     
    The fact of the matter is, the only way any small school in the Frankfort Sectional at their current level is getting 6-8 out annually is if they moved them to Crawfordsville/Lafayette Jeff/etc; (which doesn't help the Frankfort Sectional become less dominant), there's serious redistricting of all REGIONALS and SEMI-STATES (in which case somebody is getting screwed no matter what), or class wrestling takes over the state of Indiana.
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    Coach Brobst reacted to Perseverance in New Castle Semi-State Predictions and Scuttlebutt   
    That’s a real statement brother.  Painful lesson.....but a valuable one.  An early cradle and extremely intelligent wrestling of backing up and down blocking, allowed a very strong...physically mature and battle tested Mazero to squeek past 14 yr old Silas by 1 point.
    Admittedly....it was one of the best things to happen to Silas.  It initiated an even deeper sense of drive towards strength training, positioning, and becoming a well rounded wrestler.  Not just a dynamic athlete on his feet.  I’m hopeful every wrestler who reads this....whether freshman or upper classmen, fully realizes......wins & losses don’t define you.  Your response does. 
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