I personally thin kthere are alot of camps that are harder than Jrob camps it also depends on the kids who are at the camps i mean you can have a couple hunrder kids where there are only say 20 30 really tough kids or you can have a smaller camp where you have 50 kids and of those 50 30 of them are really rough kids id rather take that smaller camp any day more personal time and you take in more technique than you would at a larger camp just what i have done over the past years of my life i always liked the smaller camps