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This started out as an interesting discussion - and then all the hashtags happened.
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I think Shenandoah wins - with 8 advancing. New Castle second with 8 advancing and Franklin County third with 7. Of course, these are all complete guesses - but on paper that's what I'm sticking to. I think Shenandoah runs away with it - having four, possibly five champs.
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I know Shenandoah won its first sectional title on Saturday. How many other teams out there earned their first?
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Some matchups I'm hoping to see: Schaefer vs. Lohrey (132) Bane vs. Gee (Bane has dominated Gee in the past, but the Raider senior lost just 1-0 in sectional) The biggest one, in my book will be the talented 14-year-old Silas Allred (No. 4-ranked) vs. the seasoned veteran Jake Ruberg (No. 9) at 170. That could be worth the price of admission. Oh, and some 220 pounder is getting a little attention to. I think that Lawrenceburg kid has a real shot at getting to semistate. 152 is interesting. The 4th place finisher has a 37-7 record.
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Chico had one of the craziest pins I've ever seen at semistate. He was literally standing up and had his hand only on his opponents chest and earned the fall.
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James "Bubba" Dickerson pinned his way through the state tournament his junior season. He died before his senior year, but man, that guy was a freak of nature.
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Not counting people not making weight, what is the policy on bracket changes? It seems every year the brackets released and the actual tournament brackets are vastly different. Are there discrepancies in brackets that people already know about for this year's sectionals?
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It would be tough, for sure - but I'd hope if put in that situation I'd be able to tell the kid he did the right thing by giving his best and not faking an injury to get to his goal.
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If it was my decision - the wrestler places as high as he can, always. Injury defaulting when not injured is unethical. So what if the kid gets a bad draw - it is what it is. So he loses to a better wrestler because of the draw. That stinks, for sure - but in my opinion there is a lot more reason to hold your head high and take some losses the right way, then there are to gain a victory the wrong way.
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I know this is common practice - but this is something I can't stand.
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So common opponents is a factor. That makes sense.
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The head-to-head confuses me a little, too. Here's a situation I noticed, that benefited my son by I'm not sure why. Wrestler A - 2nd best winning percentage, had not lost to a sectional opponent and had beaten wrestler B head-to-head Wrestler B - 3rd best winning percentage, lost to wrestler A but beat Wrestler C Wrestler C - best winning percentage, lost to wrestler B but did not wrestle Wrestler A It appears that head-to-head trumped everything because Wrestler A was No. 1 seed and Wrestler B was No. 2
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Indiana's 'middle class' in wrestling
grappleapple replied to Ed Pendoski's topic in Past Discussions
Sure there are kids at elite programs that are going to be very good at the JV level. But I would think if it were a JV tourney, the competing schools would all be relatively deep and have pretty good kids. -
Indiana's 'middle class' in wrestling
grappleapple replied to Ed Pendoski's topic in Past Discussions
I, for one, get irritated when I see JV scores against varsity guys. The varsity guy can't win in that situation. If he loses, he has to hear how he lost to another team's JV guy. If he wins, same story. There are plenty of schools in the state looking to get matches for their JV. Why not get a JV schedule with other JV teams - instead of going to tournaments and embarrassing programs with varsity wrestlers that aren't as good? -
I've thought about doing this. Thanks for the info.
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Coffman is at 152? Is that where he'll be in the state tourney?
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Should be a good tourney.
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Wow. Sounds like a crazy scenario and a ref who lost all control. Thanks for the information - that was good reading. And kudos to your dad for standing (or sitting) his ground.
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I wasn't at this one, but have read about it and talked to people that were. Back in the mid 90s New Castle and Shenandoah had a tight one going. I believe it all came down to the final match between New Castle's Jeremy Motl and Shenandoah's Scott Gross (runner up at 215 in 97). The atmosphere was so heated that the officials threw everyone in the gym out, including reporters, teachers, parents, etc. If I have the story correct - only the two wrestlers, their coaches, and the school principals were allowed in. I believe Motl won, but I'm not 100 percent positive on that.
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I've got New Castle winning in a landslide. Sorry, flashbacks to the good old days of NC being in the NCC.
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Reminds me then of when Austin McCloskey was slammed illegally by one of the Kiefer brothers in the New Castle semistate. It wasn't an intentional illegal move, but it injured McCloskey. He decided to injury default so Kiefer could still have a chance to go to state. Pretty classy.
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I saw a similar incident at the HHC meet. I wasn't watching the correct mat, but from what I understand the NC wrestler was in the down position, and on the whistle the other wrestler chopped his arm to knock him flat - which I think severely dislocated it. The NC wrestler was done for the tournament (and I'd guess the season). The NC wrestler was given a loss via the injury default, and then also had to injury default in the 5th/6th place match. I didn't see the chop down - but at any point could a very hard chop down be considered illegal? It wasn't called illegal in this incident - but for a strong 182 pounder to be injured on one, I'd bet it was pretty hard.
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Delta ran a nice tournament. There were some good matches throughout. I'd say 120, as predicted, was the most competitive. Stevenson stepped up. Greenfield is much improved and Delta, without a few of their better guys, had a very solid showing. I liked the introductions for the finals a little better last year at Yorktown, but no complaints because Delta had everything moving along quickly. I hope the New Castle kid that hurt his arm will be OK.
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I was at a tournament a few years ago in southern Indiana and my son had a very similar situation. He was being beaten pretty handedly but the offensive guy wasn't able to turn him. In an effort to do so, the offensive guy rolled my son - but my son ended up on top and his opponents shoulder blades were flat on the mat. My son wasn't turned in, but he was on top, looking up and being held by the other guy, while the other guy was literally laying flat on his back. Whether or not it qualified as a defensive pin or not, I am not exactly sure. But when I said to my wife beside me that it looks like a defensive pin, apparently the other dad heard and started yelling at me that there was no such thing. I told him there absolutely is, but that I wasn't even talking to him - I was talking to my wife. He started yelling obscenities, etc. I got a little heated as well - but kept my cool. His son beat my son, and he acted like it was a state championship. My son didn't even get out of sectional that year...so he wasn't beating some highly touted guy.
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I agree on all accounts. Anyone know what happened with Green from Delta? I see he isn't listed in the brackets.