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opinions on which teams are going to make it back to team state? runner up? winner?
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placing top 3 i think is wat he expects, but everyones goal is/should be 1st... he keeps gettin stronger and i have no doubt that by the time he finishes his high school career he will have a state champ title
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Any idea on when the new rankings will be posted for 10-11 season?
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suprised no one has mentioned howe
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What schools do you think have the best chance at making it to team state next yr?
Every team has their seniors they lose, but which schools will be able to pick it up?
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fleeger by minor or mager
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if anyone is worried about the spreadong of germs then the trainers (or someone)
should be appointed to bring a nice little bottle of hand sanitizer
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It wouldn't have been an issue if his friend wouldn't have made 12 excuses for it.
Also what other meetings are you referring to? They did not wrestle this season until the state semi-finals.
excuses and facts are different, he told u the same thing i did, im glad he sees it like
it is, the thing is we both favor our wrestlers and lean more towards their side
thats simply all
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I would like to see them go to different colleges actually
you may get mad on the mat at practice, but most of that
stays on the mat and you are still friends after, but the way
this turned out i doubt they will be friends anytime soon
the past is the past and we all have our bad moments, so let
it all go and dont hold grudges, weve all done things that
have been disrespectful to someone and not all of them have
been posted on indianamat..
basically... dont judge either wrestler's entire life over this
no matter what your opinion is on the situation, life goes on
and people make mistakes were all human
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Willis is only a sophomore. Common man you let him get up to football weight and healthy and I'm quite sure there would be no mouthing off going on
whats that suppose to mean?
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Honestly i think Vlahos would have beaten Willis
if he can put willis on his back in the 1st 30 seconds that impressive
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Then tell me why when he wins he has no problem shaking a coach's hand? Who cares if a kid's dream is shattered as you want to put it? Zac's dream was shattered after wrestling McMurray and he still went over and shook the Portage coach's hand. Character is shown in many different ways in this sport and your true character comes out when things do not go your way.
Who cares if his dream was shattered? Obviously him, his family, team, friends,
and fans... i dont know why you have to ask...
He has shook coaches hands after losing many times. Its not like everytime he loses
he refuses to shake hands. Again you are singling him out like hes the one and only
to ever do that. Im sure if he wouldve shook your hand if he knew you were going
to complain about it this much.
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And you know that for a fact?
I know vlahos is very competitive and will do almost anything to win,
but one thing he isnt is a bad sport.
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agreed duck!
Also he isnt the only wrestler that walked off the mat without shaking the
other coaches hand... I saw it even in the finals. So if you are going to complain
about not shaking hands with him, make sure you talk about every other
wrestler that has done the same thing instead of singling him out
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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it?
My wrestler has wrestled Vlahos four times prior to yesterday and after every match he has shook my hand. Something changed between those four matches and the one yesterday, that being the end result of it not being a victory in his favor.
Another difference being the state tournament and it being the 1st
match after he lost his dream... Vlahos didnt refuse to shake your hand
b/c he has bad sportsmanship, he didnt shake it b/c the state finals meant
everything to him, and it was gone... HE WAS UPSET, its not always about
you, sometimes its just the other person
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I don't know him personally, nor do I know what it feels like to be a state champion, but I have seen these acts from him after winning matches of "lesser importance." If you can't judge someone from their actions, what can you judge them by?
dont judge, get to know him, everyones made mistake or done things
they arnt proud of, dont hold everything theyve ever done wrong
against them. He has to live with wat he did and all he can do is learn
fro, his mistakes... just like tiger woods lol idk why you brought his name up...
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I would think you would show more sportsmanship with 10,000 people watching than when 50 are watching, but that is just me.
idk why you keep talking about optional sportsmanship...
but you are going off track.. we were discussing how upset you were b/c
he didnt shake your hand.. not how he shows sportsmanship infront of
10000 instead of 50. The state tournament meant more to him. So after
his loss hes going to be very upset... Like i said before, everyone is flawed
and dont make the best choices all the time, you are no different
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Yes something was different, it was the outcome of the match.
thats not the point i was making, its the difference between the state tournament,
that has like you said 10000 people, and just another tournament, with 50 people
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I saw many other champs, repeat and first timers, who were excited and overwhelmed but did not disrespect their opponent. Eric Roach is the perfect example, he was so excited that he leapt into the ams of his coach. Afterward he saught out his opponent and the opposing coaches to shake hands. He was just as excited to win a championship but showed class and grace.
Im not saying what mcmurray did was right, im just saying dont judge
him if you dont know him, not that you are... i personally dont know him
very well, but i dont think any less of him for what he did
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Vlahos and I crossed ways a few times this weekend and each time he would say hi or even chit chat a little. This was all before him and Zac wrestled. I don't expect him to go out of his way to talk to me, its just that when we have crossed paths he usually says hi or something. I expected a handshake after the match as he did in the prior four meetings between the two. I even waited for this after seeing him shake hands with the assistant referee thinking he was going to head to the corner and he never did. It is very ironic that when he wins, shaking a coaches hand is done without thinking, but when he loses he b-lines it out of the arena.
To me that tells you a side of a kid that goes way beyond the mat.
Something different between that match and the past ones though... dont you agree?
No one can please everyone all the time, like i said dont take it personally, people
dont make the best choices when they are emotional, everyone is flawed, even you y2
im sure you havent been a saint 100% of the time either
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If everyone flaunted every accomplishment the way he did, the world would be a pretty awful place. As I said before, if he had waited until after the clock read zero and he was not laying on top of his opponent, there would be no problem. Celebrate, but do not humiliate someone else in the process.
3 time state champ is kinda a big deal though, he didnt cause any problems just some
arguements and lost a little respect, lighten up
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You really don't see the problem with that?
i dont think it was the right thing to do, but theres nothing we could
do to stop him from it, and hes going to remember his high school years
his whole life, hes proud of his accomplishments and he was acting without
thinking in my opinion. I wish i knew what it felt like to be a 3 time state
champ, lool i bet its amazing
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Well considering he would talk to me before they wrestled this weekend like he has in the past, but after Zac beat him he didn't even come shake my hand it makes me wonder if sportsmanship is optional. It is very ironic that after the four previous meetings between the two, which were all Vlahos victories, he came and shook my hand, but in this one match in which he lost he failed to do so. On top of that, I noticed distinctly that he shook the assistant referee's hand.
so you are upset he didnt talk to you? He might just be upet b/c everything he worked for
his whole life was gone. So give him a little time to cool off, dont take it personally.. maybe
he will send you a txt message in a day or 2
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Ive heard talk about the weight classes being changed? Can someone please
let me know if they have any information on this?
2010-2011 Preseason Rankings (High School)
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i wouldnt count on mishawaka winning next year, theyve been tough competitors for a long time, but losing 10 varsity wrestlers is a huge loss, one that i think cp and penn will be able to beat considering all of them are in the same semi state individual, hopefully it will be an intersting year, goodluck to all!