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UPDATE: The 27th Annual IN vs IL All Star Classic Duals will be POSTPONED All, The IN vs IL All Star Classic Duals has been postponed. Both Indiana and Illinois committee members have concerns regarding the coronavirus. We have determined it be best to cancel the duals this weekend to help prevent the possible continued spread of the virus throughout Indiana and Illinois. We are committed to running the prestigious duals at a later date. We are not able to determine the new date at this time due to the uncertainty of the situation surrounding the coronavirus. Both Indiana and Illinois representatives will be monitoring the situation closely as we prepare to set the next date for the duals. If you have any questions, please feel free to email matthew.behling@culver.org. (Indiana Team Coordinator / Team Leader) Yours in Wrestling, Coach Matt Behling IN vs IL All Star Classic Duals Committee Chair Culver Academies Head Wrestling Coach IHSWCA Regional Representative 27th Annual Indiana VS Illinois All Star Classic Duals It is that time of year again! The prestigious IN vs IL All Star Classic Duals will be on March 14th, 15th at Notre Dame College Prep High School in Illinois this year. Indiana has had the best of the best Senior’s on this team over the past decades. It is an honor to be on this team. These young man have earned it. Indiana bases selections on highest placing seniors in the IHSAA state tournament. We take the top two seniors. There are times when Illinois has three senior state champs based on their class system. In that case we would take the next highest senior placer. If you are on this list please text or email Coach Matt Behling asap to confirm your spot. I will provide a list of the details to any qualifying candidates. Please note that all high school coaches of these fine athletes are invited to attend as well and coach their senior! Last year we held the duals at Culver Academies High School to a sellout crowd. The event is also live streamed to thousands of viewers. Let’s make our best effort to get Indiana’s top seniors at the event. Event Address: Notre Dame College Prep 7655 West Dempster Street Niles, Illinois 60714 www.nddons.org 2020 Invitees - Please confirm with Coach Matt Behling that you plan to accept your invite to this prestigious event. If you can send me the contact information for these wrestlers it would be much appreciated! matthew.behling@culver.org Cell - 574-930-0676 2020 Team Indiana Qualifiers: Weight Name School Place 106 Suhas Chundi Carmel 3rd 106 Kyler West Evansville Reitz Memorial 6th 113 Trey Sturgill Peru 8th 113 Doug Waters Chesterton DNP 120 Carson Eldred Westfield 2nd 120 Giovanni Diaz Wheeler 3rd 126 Brayden Lowery Roncali 1st 126 Ray Rioux Avon 2nd 132 Kane Igli Evansville Mater Dei 4th 132 Hunter Cottingham Western 5th 138 Logan Bailey Indianapolis Cathedral 2nd 138 Drake Campbell Brownsburg 5th 145 Alec Viduya Roncali 1st 145 Jacob Maldanado Merrillville 6th 152 Jonathan Kervin Floyd Central 1st 152 Logan Boe Danville 3rd 160 Eli Dickens Evansville Mater Dei 1st 160 Noah Hollendonner Crown Point 2nd 170 Robert Deters Castle 1st 170 Clayton Fielden Garrett 2nd 182 Joseph Walker Mishawaka 1st 182 Jake Lone Northwood 2nd 195 Silas Allred Shenandoah 1st 195 Jacob Laplace Mishawaka 2nd 220 William Crider West Lafayette Harrison 2nd 220 Drew Webster North Montgomery 3rd 285 Holden Parsons Indianapolis Cathedral 1st 285 Andrew Irick Hamelton Southeastern 2nd 2019 Team Indiana Line-Up: 106 Sean Johnson Elkhart Central 106 Colin Reagan Frontier 113 Martin Cruz Merrillville 113 Jake Armstrong Winamac 120 Evan Beasley Northridge 120 Chris Stewart Warren Central 126 Hunter Watts Jimtown 126 Brock Peele Portage 132 Asa Garcia Avon 132 Geremia Brooks Wawasee 138 Cayden Rooks Columbus East 138 Braxton Alexander Wawasee 138 Connor Gimson Jimtown 145 Antwaun Graves Warren Central 145 Jake Burford Crown Point 145 Isaih Mohammed Wheeler 152 Jake Schoenegge Columbus East 152 Cole Cervantes Griffith 160 Donnell Washington Portage 160 Brooks Davis Perry Meridian 170 Nick South Columbus East 170 Logan Hart Carmel 182 Carson Brewer Avon 182 Jalen Morgan Elwood Community 182 Bradley Rosman Oak Hill 195 Nick Willham Greenwood Comm. 195 KJ Roudebush Tipton 220 AJ Folwer Calumet 220 Jacob Bolt Columbus East 285 Alex Cartwright Laville 285 Jamichael Watts North Central 2018 Team Indiana Line-Up: Weight Name School 106 Logan Stephenson Terre Haute 106 JC Herring Oak Hill 113 Skylour Turner Warren Central 113 Kory Cavanaugh Penn 120 Sunny Nier Perry Meridian 120 Jabin Wright Kokomo 126 Alec White New Pal 126 Michael Delapena Merrillville 132 Breyden Bailey Cathedral 132 Kyle Luigs Mater Dei 138 Brendan Black Hobart 138 Ryan Surguy Shenandoah 145 Jason Crary Munster 145 Kain Rust Perry Meridian 152 Kyle Hatch Warsaw 152 Kennie Kerrn Jimtown 160 Brad Laughlin Yorktown 160 Alston Bane Richmond 170 Eli Stock Monrovia 170 Tanner Webster North Montgomery 182 Jacob Grey Delta 182 Thomas Dull Terre Haute North 195 Andrew Davison Chesterton 195 Liam Jagow Westfield 220 Gunnar Larson Avon 220 Garrison Lee Monrovia 285 Evan Ellis Eastern 285 Robert Samuels Lawrence North

There is no secret. The reason Cathedral is so successful is Bryan Bailey and the Outlaws.

Chris Wildeman of Mater Dei had a pin at 8:39 in the finals in 1981.

This was my first year in attendance I personally thought that the tournament was ran fairly well both days. I have been to many tournaments in my day and I know that this could've been 100x worse. Thought Southport were awesome hosts had no issues with table workers and had some good options at the concession stand. Would like to thank all who put together this tournament and created an opportunity for these underclassman to see what they have against each other, I wish this was a thing back when I was in HS guess I should've been born a few years later. All in all a fun competitive weekend of GREAT wrestling time to get ready for next season!

Can't wait to see Big Move Boe bring the cradles and Spladles for whomever Illinois sends to that scorers table!

As FC says.

Really surprised only wabash only qualified 4 for the national tourney! Regardless congrats to Champ Hatch, runner ups Darden Schurg and Max Bishop and placing 3rd Alex Barr... Looking forward to their runs and to what the future holds for the rest of the underclassmen! T.Carson will be making noise for the next 3 years and had a very solid freshman campaign winning nearly 20 matches at a tough 184 class and placing at all but 1 tourney!

Should probably consider hosting this at a different venue in the future or allowing less of the lighter weights in. Heavier weights are sitting 3 hours plus between matches. Hard to follow mat schedule when there is poor service in the gym and the school doesn’t turn on the WiFi.

You guys don't even understand how amazing @maligned is... This is crazy work on his part. And he doesn't even live in this country. A lot of people go into making this Team State possible without the help of the IHSAA, but I think person 1 is Maligned. Thanks!

Add any if I missed them Marian (Ind.) 125 Chris Sharp AMC Automatic Qualifier Marian (Ind.) 125 Grant Stapleton AMC Automatic Qualifier Indiana Tech 133 Conner Gimson KCAC/SAC Automatic Qualifier Indiana Tech 133 Matt Gimson KCAC/SAC Automatic Qualifier Marian (Ind.) 141 Brandon James AMC Automatic Qualifier Marian (Ind.) 149 Bailey Moore AMC Automatic Qualifier. Campbellsville (Ky.) 165 Chandler Woenker Mid-South Conference Wildcard #3 Marian (Ind.) 165 Brett Johnson AMC Automatic Qualifier Cumberland (Tenn.) 174 Nathan Walton Mid-South Automatic Qualifier Indiana Tech 174 Scott Sopko KCAC/SAC Automatic Qualifier Marian (Ind.) 174 Sam Osho AMC Automatic Qualifier Indiana Tech 184 Eric Vermillion KCAC/SAC Automatic Qualifier Marian (Ind.) 184 Colton Gonzalez AMC Automatic Qualifier Marian (Ind.) 197 Jack Servies AMC Automatic Qualifier Southeastern (Fla.) 197 Blake Rypel Mid-South Automatic Qualifier Calumet St. Joseph (Ind.) 285 Nick Fowler AMC Automatic Qualifier Campbellsville (Ky.) 285 Ashton Mutuwa Mid-South Automatic Qualifier Marian (Ind.) 285 Ethan Bunce AMC Automatic Qualifier Indiana school, but from out of state. Indiana Tech 285 Vernon Willis KCAC/SAC Automatic Qualifier Indiana Tech 141 Kyle Kantola KCAC/SAC Automatic Qualifier

Here's the final Team State Qualification Leaderboard for all classes in an Excel file for your enjoyment. Many thanks to Paul Soos, Brandon Razo, and Bruce Wood for their diligent data collection over the state tournament series. You guys have no idea what data wizards are behind the Team State qualification process. Amazing work, guys! Team State Qualification Final Leaderboard 2020.xlsx

Small schools would get less qualifiers if big schools had more entries. For your belief in schools being the major focus, this is a big deal to you, so it’s a great point for your line of thinking. Allowing only one entry per school helps small schools get state qualifiers, a large amount of Indiana students at large schools get only so many Sectional entries, so kids like Ball at Crown Point can’t make it to State, and a kid from a different school can. Track and swimming allow more than one entry; wrestling does not. Our sport is most likely more equitable in school representation at the state meet because of wrestling only allowing a school to enter one kid per weight class. This scenario you bring up would give more kids a chance to wrestle in the tournament series, but would most likely cut smaller schools down on state qualifiers, since there are so many more kids at big schools, there is a greater chance of having depth. Just a thought: I think having more state qualifiers, let’s say 32, with the current one entry per weight would result in the same representative percentages, but would allow a greater number of small schools to have qualifiers. I might be wrong on these numbers, but it’s just a thought to bring about our shared goals while trying to work with our different mindsets.

I am saying that small schools as a group should not expect to have 25% of the qualifiers when they have 13% of the enrollment and presumably 13% of the people who have the talent to be a state qualifier. And I was trying to counter your earlier point that going to a big school causes an individual to be 4x as likely to become a state qualifier. As I said before, I think you are confusing the probability of a state qualifier coming from a big school with the impact that going to a big school has on an individual being able to qualify for state. They aren't the same thing. I used this example earlier to try to explain better what I am saying: "As an example, take 1000 people and randomly put 10% of them in Group 1, 25% in Group 2, 25% in Group 3, and 40% in Group 4. Then tell each group they can select their 100 fastest people and time them in a 100 meter dash. I would guess that of the top 100 finishers, 10 would come from Group 1, 25 would come from Group 2, 25 would come from Group 3, and 40 would come from Group 4. I wouldn't expect each group to have 25 simply because they had the same number of entrants. And being in a particular group didn't cause any individual to be more or less likely to be in the top 100." Because the numbers we are seeing for state qualifiers don't seem to be drastically out of line from what we would expect based on probability, it doesn't seem inequitable to me when speaking only about the individual competing in the one class individual tournament. So that's the point I am trying to make. On the other hand, you seem to be trying to make a case that classing the individual tournament would have benefits to small schools and we need to do that in order to save them. Since we are talking about two different things we are talking past each other.

113 - Doug Waters, Chesterton has accepted!

Approximately 310, give or take a few depending upon the year.

No, you are putting words in my mouth. Before you were discussing honestly and I was learning about your view point, but it seems like you are getting mad or something and now trying to characterize my thoughts as malicious. I’m sorry you feel that way. It’s okay to define success as different achievements for a group of individuals. You can be successful with or without state qualifiers. From your perspective, you want all schools to have more access to state qualifiers, and I respect that. Based on the numbers, I feel individual state qualifiers are equitable. I feel like this is a philosophical difference kind of like liking or disliking the electoral college. I am for the popular vote for what I see as the same reasoning I think our state tournament is equitable...people get represented with a direct vote and people earn individual achievements. This paragraph may be off topic.

So then what are you saying? I'm confused by your constant statements that small schools shouldn't be qualifying kids for state because they are small. That means you aren't concerned with them struggling.

120 - Giovanni Diaz, Wheeler has accepted!

So in your mind small schools should struggle and it's fine that they struggle. Is that correct? Just want clarification that your feelings towards small schools is that too bad, too sad, quit whining.

160 - Noah Hollendonner, Crown Point has accepted!

Your definition of struggle is different from many in this thread. I think your expectations of state qualifiers would need to be tempered by how many students are at a school. To illustrate the point, if a school of one student existed, it would be unrealistic to expect that school to have individual athletic success because it would need 100% of its population to achieve a goal, yet everyone would be happy to see their success and it should mean more than a school of 1000 students have an individual have success because that school needs 0.1% of their students to achieve something. I taught at Fishers, West Lafayette, Chesterton, and Hobart, and hearing about the individual successes of students at Fishers didn’t make me think that Fishers was a better educational system/community than the others because there were so many more students there. West Lafayette has a smaller population and tons of individual academic successes, so I thought that community was a better place to create individual Academic successes. This wasn’t about schools as much as communities, but I think it illustrates the point. Small schools have less achievements because there are less people to work towards those achievements. If you look at differences between expected achievements at a school and actual achievements at a school, you can see which community does the best job at over achieving, but that’s different than needing a class system for individual achievements... of course some argue against this based on different philosophies. Team achievements make sense to put into classes in my opinion because you need the group of students to compete against groups of students, so numbers become a factor of success for the individuals on the team. Individuals in individual sports don’t need to be classed unless you think schools deserve achievements. If you think schools deserve individual achievements, classed individual sports is your thing. It isn’t mine, but we can all disagree.

@CpDinger I remember you asking about this

Fort Wayne semistate itself is an argument for classing. Interesting how the weakest semistate is the one with the most small school wrestling.

152 - Logan Boe from Danville has accepted his offer!

So if one big school isn't producing state qualifiers, it is fine for 50 small schools to not produce state qualifiers? That is a great justification for small schools not having success. It's sad that people do not care about the sport at the small school level and they make justification in any shape or form to make themselves feel good. Obviously, if the small schools started dropping programs you wouldn't care one bit because they don't add anything to the sport anyway. Maybe they should just work harder, I love that argument, it's my favorite. I'm glad that it took 5 pages before we introduced the "just work harder" argument.

The commitment it takes to obtain, sort and formulate all this information is very special! The love it takes for y'all to dedicate yourself to this never ending task speaks volumes about your devotion to the sport.. And the way its broken down into layman's terms is even more impressive! Without y'all we as a state wouldn't be evolving and improving at the rate we are... This stuff is every bit important as what a good coach does for his guys and i'm sure y'all are too involved with teaching wrestlers on top of compiling this plethora amount of data is another testament to the tireless work y'all put in.. that's why it's up to us coaches, parents and supporters to chip with results,info on our teams and individuals and to never take what these guys do for granted! I know it's not much but I got 1k nanners for each 1 of y'all Johnny5 shortcircuit"need more input" gurus! Keep it up and thank you!

You mean you didn’t like having to constantly run downstairs and stand halfway outside to get a signal for Track to load? Parking was horrible too. My son wrestled 3 times before some of his heavier teammates had their first match.

I think you are confusing the probability of a state qualifier coming from a big school with the impact that going to a big school has on an individual being able to qualify for state. They aren't the same thing. You are trying to use statistics that say that 41.1% of state qualifiers come from 4A schools and 9.8% of state qualifiers come from 1A schools, to say that going to 4A school will cause an individual to be 4x as likely to qualify for state. As an example, take 1000 people and randomly put 10% of them in Group 1, 25% in Group 2, 25% in Group 3, and 40% in Group 4. Then tell each group they can select their 100 fastest people and time them in a 100 meter dash. I would guess that of the top 100 finishers, 10 would come from Group 1, 25 would come from Group 2, 25 would come from Group 3, and 40 would come from Group 4. I wouldn't expect each group to have 25 simply because they had the same number of entrants. And being in a particular group didn't cause any individual to be more or less likely to be in the top 100.

Individually if the singlet you put on is a school that is in the bottom 1/3 of enrollment you are less likely to qualify for state. If you put on a singlet from the top 35 schools in terms of enrollment the likelihood of you qualifying for state is 10x. If you are saying that small schools should struggle to qualify kids for state then you are advocating for a classed system. In a single class system there should be no difference based on school size. The single class system is a system in which there are no advantages to athletes at a small school or big school. In a single class system there should not be any discrepancy between athletes at big schools or small schools. When you go to a classed system you are admitting that there are advantages based on school enrollments.

We are talking about an individual tournament. The numbers don't seem to indicate that individuals from small schools are struggling. They are generally qualifying in same proportions we would expect based on the proportion of the enrollment that small schools have.

Top 3 today qualify..good luck. WAF

ACAC has 7 member schools. 5 have participated recently. Adams Central, South Adams, and Jay County this year. Southern Wells last year. Bluffton next season. NECC has had great representation in 1A and 2A over the years. I believe they have had at least 6 of their schools participate.

Congratulations to Logan Bailey from Indianapolis Cathedral for signing with Indianapolis. He is projected to wrestle 141. View full signing

For 1A, just to clarify...Top 10 are locked in...Last two are voted in>? Are only the next 4 teams in green considered? Cascade number 15 on the bubble is a very young team with a difficult route to score points, Mooresville Sectional, Mooresville Regional, Evv Semi State... These kids are hungry to get into this tourney and make some noise.

Jesse was 7.

It might have happened, but if dickens wants to actually beat Slivka he should just cradle him because he falls for it every time. Slivka likes to keep his head really close to his knee on bottom.

I heard stories of the intense OU room... rumor has it after Slivka turned him Brewer escaped and blast doubled him through a concrete wall

Craig Macke gets my vote every time. Poor guy had the face Angel Escobedo.

In all fairness....I think Silas has solidified himself as a pretty special talent regardless of school size. So with all do respect, I genuinely feel to draw a question about why aren’t more 1A or 2A wrestlers like him, is a bit unfair. Almost as unfair as if I asked why aren’t more 4A wrestlers like him. Admittedly....I certainly don’t have the answers regarding pros/cons of class wrestling. I think there’s evidence of beneficial dynamics on both sides. The class question is always intriguing to me because comparisons are frequently made to other power states whose classed (PA, Ill, IA, OH, etc). But I question these comparisons as it pertains to the benefits of classing Indiana. In other words....if those states weren’t classed, would they not be as strong? I personally feel their strengths are elsewhere apart from the classification system. Specifically....their head start in club training, and especially collegiate RTC opportunities. Most notably in PA. In PA alone there are 11 D1 wrestling programs, 8 D2, and 14 D3. This equates to NEVER having to drive too far down the road to get your butt kicked for 2hrs. And in my experience, that dynamic coupled with an athletes desire to close the gap....is the biggest catalyst in the evolving of more nationally elite kids. And unfortunately....class or no class, at this point.....only a handful of young athletes are driven enough to embrace a “Get beat up, or get better” mentality. In fact, classing things in hopes to raise 1A numbers, kinda caters to many of those athletes who are hesitant to compete because of that fear. If numbers is the only goal, then classing definitely benefits. But I’m confident that strictly more bodies on the mat isn’t the zeal motivating class wrestling advocates. I’m fully aware that more participation will undoubtedly eventually mold some freak athlete whose a football player at the small school level into a great wrestler. But what about the “in-betweens”. The guys who literally just lack the drive, and want the accolades without the effort. That’s one of my biggest issues with classing it here. And full transparency......I’m definitely bias by what I’ve personally experienced at the small school level, in contrast to having graduated and competed athletically myself at Muncie Central. The Silas scenario is 100% the embodiment of hard work and extreme levels of self motivation. For 2 years, his daily partner was a 160lb’er.....and a true 170 wrestling up to benefit our team. So having a no excuse mentality.....we had to find partners, supplental/paid clinicians for live wrestling, stance and motion in live match format for 5 periods, old school Rocky like strength training, and literally driving anywhere & everywhere in the off-season....to ensure he’d taste humility and have to overcome a peak to close a gap. Ultimately....it’s simply been a mantra of “Nobody will outwork me”. That alone excited the recruiters. Silas’ ceiling hasn’t even been close to established. He’s never had regular elite partners to push him. He’s a product of self-push, and an overwhelming desire to succeed. In fact, the argument could made.....that Silas is the example of what’s possible at the 1A level. When you simply don’t make excuses about school size, strength of schedule, partners, etc. And just literally make it a lifestyle. Daily telling yourself....I’m going to be better today than I was yesterday. Again....I don’t have all the answers. And I respect the opinion of those whose researched the benefits. I’m just simply sharing what I know to be truth in the lives of my son Silas, and his overzealous dad who fell in love with sport a mere 6 yrs ago. That said......will classing create more elite athletes? I can’t buy in. But will it raise numbers and help even more young men become better men? I’m sold on that.

Hands down Tom Brady... 6x Super Bowl Champion 4x Super Bowl MVP 3x NFL MVP 14x Pro Bowler 3x First Team All-Pro 2x Second Team All-Pro 2x NFL Offensive Player of the Year NEVER won an Indiana Wrestling State Championship...

Dan Jankowski

How has no one mentioned Craig Macke??

Sorry i had to bust everyone's brackets