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  1. aoberlin

    It’s Time

    Nope. Just have wrestlebacks and our system is perfect. Division individual State Champs are lame. If you want more kids to wrestle act like it is a business and have some charisma and sell it. Class wrestling only adds water.
    11 points
  2. pugsley

    It’s Time

    I am pretty sure if you have more than one state champion, by the laws of mathematics it makes you less of a state champion.
    10 points
  3. littlevito

    It’s Time

    Ever since open enrollment, smaller schools have had a huge decline. Even top notch programs have felt the hit. Why choose to go to Bellmont in Decatur, IN where there isn't a whole lot of attraction like attending a school in Indianapolis. You can take all of Adams County, Wells County, and Jay County kids and lump them into one program and still wouldn't be able to have the draw and pool of kids like the biggest schools of the state. Our school keeps getting smaller and smaller every year, and the crop of the litter is bare. Our middle school is feeling it even worse. For a sport like basketball, where you only need 5 guys, the middle school doesn't even have an 8th grade basketball team this season. Even if we do get new students, we aren't getting top notch athletes at smaller schools. We are dealing with low income section 8 families who don't care to have there kids be in sports. It has become very ignorant of the fans of our sport to believe that we as a state can continue to grow our sport when we are only benefiting the biggest schools in the state.
    5 points
  4. Y2CJ41

    It’s Time

    Kentucky, Hawaii, Delaware, and Vermont also...aka the wrestling powers.
    4 points
  5. It's always fun to see these brackets and some of the kids that were all battling each other. https://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/opentournaments/VerifyPassword.jsp?tournamentId=207195009 MS - 75 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Preston Teusch of Huntington Co. WC 2nd Place - Cameron Allen of Contenders WA 3rd Place - Kamariyon Nelson of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 4th Place - Bryce Lowery of Perry Meridian WC 5th Place - Jacob Carter of Region WA 6th Place - Carleton Perry of Warren Wrestling Academy 7th Place - Jacob Bechert of Franklin Community MS 8th Place - Elijah Anthony of Frankfort MS 1st Place Match Preston Teusch (Huntington Co. WC) won by major decision over Cameron Allen (Contenders WA) (Maj 11-0) 2nd Place Match Cameron Allen (Contenders WA) won in the ultimate tie breaker over Kamariyon Nelson (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) (UTB 6-4) 3rd Place Match Kamariyon Nelson (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by decision over Bryce Lowery (Perry Meridian WC) (Dec 7-5) 5th Place Match Jacob Carter (Region WA) won by decision over Carleton Perry (Warren Wrestling Academy) (Dec 6-5) 7th Place Match Jacob Bechert (Franklin Community MS) won by decision over Elijah Anthony (Frankfort MS) (Dec 4-0) MS - 80 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Ben Dalton of Contenders WA 2nd Place - Alec Freeman of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 3rd Place - Trey Bates of CIA 4th Place - Blaze Garcia of Contenders WA 5th Place - Sam Goin of ChestertonTrojans 6th Place - Robert Howard of Hornet Wrestling Club 7th Place - Hayden Watson of Greenwood MS 8th Place - Vincent Sparrow of Penn WC 1st Place Match Ben Dalton (Contenders WA) won in sudden victory - 1 over Trey Bates (CIA) (SV-1 2-1) 2nd Place Match Alec Freeman (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by fall over Trey Bates (CIA) (Fall 1:24) 3rd Place Match Alec Freeman (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by fall over Blaze Garcia (Contenders WA) (Fall 0:59) 5th Place Match Sam Goin (ChestertonTrojans) won by decision over Robert Howard (Hornet Wrestling Club) (Dec 6-0) 7th Place Match Hayden Watson (Greenwood MS) won by fall over Vincent Sparrow (Penn WC) (Fall 2:30) MS - 85 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Jesse Mendez of Region WA 2nd Place - Alexzander Cottey of Perry Meridian WC 3rd Place - Stephen Roberson Jr of Region WA 4th Place - Tyler Fuqua of Franklin Community MS 5th Place - Giovanni Diaz of Wheeler Bearcats Wrestling 6th Place - Tonner Johnson of Norwell 7th Place - Aidan Hardcastle of CIA 8th Place - Logan Carrington of Contenders WA 1st Place Match Jesse Mendez (Region WA) won by major decision over Alexzander Cottey (Perry Meridian WC) (Maj 14-4) 2nd Place Match Alexzander Cottey (Perry Meridian WC) won by no contest over Stephen Roberson Jr (Region WA) (NC) 3rd Place Match Stephen Roberson Jr (Region WA) won by decision over Tyler Fuqua (Franklin Community MS) (Dec 5-0) 5th Place Match Giovanni Diaz (Wheeler Bearcats Wrestling) won by medical forfeit over Tonner Johnson (Norwell) (MFF) 7th Place Match Aidan Hardcastle (CIA) won by decision over Logan Carrington (Contenders WA) (Dec 7-3) MS - 90 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Noah Mis of Region WA 2nd Place - Zeke Seltzer of CIA 3rd Place - Brayden Lowery of Perry Meridian WC 4th Place - Diesel Duncan of Red Cobra WA 5th Place - Gavinn Alstott of Red Cobra WA 6th Place - Bradley Conrad of Portage WC 7th Place - Matthew Koontz of Edgewood jr high 8th Place - Andrew Sinkovics of MIshawaka WC 1st Place Match Noah Mis (Region WA) won by decision over Zeke Seltzer (CIA) (Dec 3-0) 2nd Place Match Zeke Seltzer (CIA) won by no contest over Brayden Lowery (Perry Meridian WC) (NC) 3rd Place Match Brayden Lowery (Perry Meridian WC) won by fall over Diesel Duncan (Red Cobra WA) (Fall 2:24) 5th Place Match Gavinn Alstott (Red Cobra WA) won by major decision over Bradley Conrad (Portage WC) (Maj 9-1) 7th Place Match Matthew Koontz (Edgewood jr high) won by major decision over Andrew Sinkovics (MIshawaka WC) (Maj 9-0) MS - 95 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Drake Campbell of Brownsburg WC 2nd Place - Logan Bailey of Indiana Outlaws 3rd Place - Colton Drousias of Region WA 4th Place - Logan Boe of Contenders WA 5th Place - Drake Buchanan of Center Grove WC 6th Place - Suhas Chundi of Carmel USA WC 7th Place - Nathan Hadary of Schmucker MS 8th Place - Nathan West of Delta WC 1st Place Match Drake Campbell (Brownsburg WC) won by decision over Colton Drousias (Region WA) (Dec 4-0) 2nd Place Match Logan Bailey (Indiana Outlaws) won by decision over Colton Drousias (Region WA) (Dec 5-1) 3rd Place Match Logan Bailey (Indiana Outlaws) won by decision over Logan Boe (Contenders WA) (Dec 6-4) 5th Place Match Drake Buchanan (Center Grove WC) won by fall over Suhas Chundi (Carmel USA WC) (Fall 3:31) 7th Place Match Nathan Hadary (Schmucker MS) won by decision over Nathan West (Delta WC) (Dec 10-5) MS - 102 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Brayden Littell of Center Grove WC 2nd Place - Owen Sego of Contenders WA 3rd Place - Cole Ross of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 4th Place - Logan Wagner of Zionsville West MS 5th Place - Ian Heath of Indiana Outlaws 6th Place - K. Caleb Oliver of Perry Meridian Wrestling Club 7th Place - Tyler Conley of Avon MS 8th Place - Shawn Hollis of Region WA 1st Place Match Brayden Littell (Center Grove WC) won by fall over Cole Ross (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) (Fall 1:33) 2nd Place Match Owen Sego (Contenders WA) won by decision over Cole Ross (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) (Dec 7-6) 3rd Place Match Owen Sego (Contenders WA) won by decision over Logan Wagner (Zionsville West MS) (Dec 7-2) 5th Place Match Ian Heath (Indiana Outlaws) won by forfeit over K. Caleb Oliver (Perry Meridian Wrestling Club) (FF) 7th Place Match Tyler Conley (Avon MS) won by decision over Shawn Hollis (Region WA) (Dec 5-3) MS - 110 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Alec Viduya of Indy Southside Rebels WC 2nd Place - Blake Boarman of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 3rd Place - Brice Coleman of Warren Wrestling Academy 4th Place - Dean Schmidt of Region WA 5th Place - Ethan Mason of Trojan Country 6th Place - Ethan Hensley of Batchelor MS 7th Place - Brady Mckivitz of Avon MS 8th Place - Kyle Lawson of Bellmont MS 1st Place Match Alec Viduya (Indy Southside Rebels WC) won by decision over Blake Boarman (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) (Dec 14-7) 2nd Place Match Blake Boarman (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by no contest over Brice Coleman (Warren Wrestling Academy) (NC) 3rd Place Match Brice Coleman (Warren Wrestling Academy) won by decision over Dean Schmidt (Region WA) (Dec 4-1) 5th Place Match Ethan Mason (Trojan Country) won by fall over Ethan Hensley (Batchelor MS) (Fall 3:57) 7th Place Match Brady Mckivitz (Avon MS) won in tie breaker - 1 over Kyle Lawson (Bellmont MS) (TB-1 5-3) MS - 117 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Eli Dickens of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 2nd Place - Deven Williams of Whiteland Warriors 3rd Place - Jaden Reynolds of Red Cobra WA 4th Place - Gabe Phillips of Centerville Bulldog Wrestling 5th Place - Kane Egli of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 6th Place - Brayden Elliott of Brownsburg WC 7th Place - Tytus Morrisett of Trojan Country 8th Place - Kole Hughes of Whiteland Warriors 1st Place Match Eli Dickens (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by decision over Deven Williams (Whiteland Warriors) (Dec 3-1) 2nd Place Match Deven Williams (Whiteland Warriors) won by no contest over Jaden Reynolds (Red Cobra WA) (NC) 3rd Place Match Jaden Reynolds (Red Cobra WA) won by major decision over Gabe Phillips (Centerville Bulldog Wrestling) (Maj 12-2) 5th Place Match Kane Egli (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by fall over Brayden Elliott (Brownsburg WC) (Fall 1:40) 7th Place Match Tytus Morrisett (Trojan Country) won by fall over Kole Hughes (Whiteland Warriors) (Fall 1:22) MS - 125 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Tyce Freije of Carmel USA WC 2nd Place - Hunter Cottingham of Western 3rd Place - Matthew Lee of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 4th Place - Tyler Wagner of Humphrey WA 5th Place - Garrett Stewart of Indiana Outlaws 6th Place - Joseph Gohl of River City WC 7th Place - Scott Fitts of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 8th Place - Garrett Sharp of Carmel USA WC 1st Place Match Tyce Freije (Carmel USA WC) won by decision over Hunter Cottingham (Western) (Dec 11-7) 2nd Place Match Hunter Cottingham (Western) won by no contest over Matthew Lee (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) (NC) 3rd Place Match Matthew Lee (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by decision over Tyler Wagner (Humphrey WA) (Dec 10-6) 5th Place Match Garrett Stewart (Indiana Outlaws) won by decision over Joseph Gohl (River City WC) (Dec 5-3) 7th Place Match Scott Fitts (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by fall over Garrett Sharp (Carmel USA WC) (Fall 1:38) MS - 132 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Graham Calhoun of Plymouth 2nd Place - Cooper Noehre of Greenfield WC 3rd Place - Garrett Williamson of Zionsville MS 4th Place - Paul Deters of Castle WC 5th Place - Aiden Warren of Perry Meridian WC 6th Place - Isiah Levitz of Prairie Heights Panther 7th Place - Macartney Parkinson of Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club 8th Place - Raymond Ellis of ChestertonTrojans 1st Place Match Graham Calhoun (Plymouth) won by major decision over Cooper Noehre (Greenfield WC) (Maj 10-0) 2nd Place Match Cooper Noehre (Greenfield WC) won by decision over Garrett Williamson (Zionsville MS) (Dec 5-3) 3rd Place Match Garrett Williamson (Zionsville MS) won by decision over Paul Deters (Castle WC) (Dec 6-2) 5th Place Match Aiden Warren (Perry Meridian WC) won by fall over Isiah Levitz (Prairie Heights Panther) (Fall 3:34) 7th Place Match Macartney Parkinson (Maurer Coughlin Wrestling Club) won by forfeit over Raymond Ellis (ChestertonTrojans) (FF) MS - 140 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Jacob Laplace of MIshawaka WC 2nd Place - Mason Winner of East Jay MS 3rd Place - Tyler Turley of Hobart WC 4th Place - Christopher Jarvis of New Castle MS 5th Place - Gabriel Davin of Carmel USA WC 6th Place - Nick Avery of Castle WC 7th Place - Gavin Stewart of Indiana Outlaws 8th Place - Robert Bowman of Region Wrestling Academy 1st Place Match Jacob Laplace (MIshawaka WC) won by fall over Mason Winner (East Jay MS) (Fall 3:39) 2nd Place Match Mason Winner (East Jay MS) won by fall over Tyler Turley (Hobart WC) (Fall 2:06) 3rd Place Match Tyler Turley (Hobart WC) won in sudden victory - 1 over Christopher Jarvis (New Castle MS) (SV-1 2-1) 5th Place Match Gabriel Davin (Carmel USA WC) won by fall over Nick Avery (Castle WC) (Fall 3:49) 7th Place Match Gavin Stewart (Indiana Outlaws) won by major decision over Robert Bowman (Region Wrestling Academy) (Maj 15-5) MS - 150 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Jake Lone of Northwood Wrestling Club 2nd Place - Caden Friedt of Bellmont MS 3rd Place - Easton Williamson of Lebanon MS 4th Place - Joseph Walker of MIshawaka WC 5th Place - Abel Verbeek of Region WA 6th Place - Gustin (Kyler) Funk of CIA 7th Place - Micah Dodson of Martinsville Artesian WC 8th Place - Jayden Murray of fayette county wrestling club 1st Place Match Jake Lone (Northwood Wrestling Club) won by decision over Caden Friedt (Bellmont MS) (Dec 4-2) 2nd Place Match Caden Friedt (Bellmont MS) won by decision over Easton Williamson (Lebanon MS) (Dec 7-5) 3rd Place Match Easton Williamson (Lebanon MS) won by decision over Joseph Walker (MIshawaka WC) (Dec 5-1) 5th Place Match Abel Verbeek (Region WA) won by fall over Gustin (Kyler) Funk (CIA) (Fall 1:42) 7th Place Match Micah Dodson (Martinsville Artesian WC) won by decision over Jayden Murray (fayette county wrestling club) (Dec 7-0) MS - 160 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Silas Allred of Shenandoah WC 2nd Place - Jeffery Wells of Perry Meridian WC 3rd Place - Deshawn Young of Franklin Central Wrestling Clu 4th Place - Donavan Shepherd of Western 5th Place - Ryan Tompos of Culver 6th Place - Elijah Elkins of Greentown MS 7th Place - Randy Wells of Warren Wrestling Academy 8th Place - Brendan McPike of Prodigy WC 1st Place Match Silas Allred (Shenandoah WC) won by fall over Deshawn Young (Franklin Central Wrestling Clu) (Fall 0:41) 2nd Place Match Jeffery Wells (Perry Meridian WC) won by decision over Deshawn Young (Franklin Central Wrestling Clu) (Dec 3-1) 3rd Place Match Jeffery Wells (Perry Meridian WC) won by decision over Donavan Shepherd (Western) (Dec 5-2) 5th Place Match Ryan Tompos (Culver) won by forfeit over Elijah Elkins (Greentown MS) (FF) 7th Place Match Randy Wells (Warren Wrestling Academy) won by decision over Brendan McPike (Prodigy WC) (Dec 5-0) MS - 175 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Dawson Mccloud of Normonco 2nd Place - Jacob` Woods of Crown Point Lightning 3rd Place - Gavin Keesee of Franklin Township MS 4th Place - Hunter James of Martinsville Artesian WC 5th Place - Mckinley Kemper of Evansville Central WC 6th Place - Skylar Lee of Madison JH 7th Place - Bobby Williams of Husky Wrestling 8th Place - Braydon Erb of Western 1st Place Match Dawson Mccloud (Normonco) won by fall over Jacob` Woods (Crown Point Lightning) (Fall 1:27) 2nd Place Match Jacob` Woods (Crown Point Lightning) won by no contest over Gavin Keesee (Franklin Township MS) (NC) 3rd Place Match Gavin Keesee (Franklin Township MS) won by decision over Hunter James (Martinsville Artesian WC) (Dec 4-1) 5th Place Match Mckinley Kemper (Evansville Central WC) won by fall over Skylar Lee (Madison JH) (Fall 3:03) 7th Place Match Bobby Williams (Husky Wrestling) won by decision over Braydon Erb (Western) (Dec 8-5) MS - 195 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Andrew Irick of Hamilton Southeastern JH 2nd Place - Taylor Webster of Normonco 3rd Place - Nolan Willhite of Madison JH 4th Place - Tyler Rux of MIshawaka WC 5th Place - Jonathan Williams of Carmel USA WC 6th Place - Dakota Spielberger of Crawfordsville MS 7th Place - Christopher Newman of Prodigy WC 8th Place - Cody Root of Batchelor MS 1st Place Match Andrew Irick (Hamilton Southeastern JH) won by fall over Nolan Willhite (Madison JH) (Fall 3:47) 2nd Place Match Taylor Webster (Normonco) won by major decision over Nolan Willhite (Madison JH) (Maj 10-1) 3rd Place Match Taylor Webster (Normonco) won by decision over Tyler Rux (MIshawaka WC) (Dec 2-0) 5th Place Match Jonathan Williams (Carmel USA WC) won by fall over Dakota Spielberger (Crawfordsville MS) (Fall 3:49) 7th Place Match Christopher Newman (Prodigy WC) won by fall over Cody Root (Batchelor MS) (Fall 2:14) MS - 220 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Tanner Stamm of Tri-West Wrestling Club 2nd Place - Samuel Perez of Highland MS 3rd Place - Marcus Havens of Whiteland Warriors 4th Place - Kevin Mendoza of Perry Meridian WC 5th Place - Kendall Himes of Plymouth 6th Place - Hayden Tobias of individual 7th Place - Evan Hill of Delta WC 8th Place - Seth Hartwell of Madison JH 1st Place Match Tanner Stamm (Tri-West Wrestling Club) won by fall over Samuel Perez (Highland MS) (Fall 2:52) 2nd Place Wrestleback Samuel Perez (Highland MS) won by no contest over Marcus Havens (Whiteland Warriors) (NC) 3rd Place Match Marcus Havens (Whiteland Warriors) won by fall over Kevin Mendoza (Perry Meridian WC) (Fall 3:01) 5th Place Match Kendall Himes (Plymouth) won by fall over Hayden Tobias (individual) (Fall 0:47) 7th Place Match Evan Hill (Delta WC) won by fall over Seth Hartwell (Madison JH) (Fall 0:59) MS - 275 Guaranteed Places 1st Place - Holden Parsons of Yorktown MS 2nd Place - Tate Johnson of Schmucker MS 3rd Place - Cade Patton of Southridge Wrestling Crew 4th Place - Dejuan Watkins of Scribner Middle School 5th Place - Teague Scherer of Lapel MS 6th Place - Jonathan Brill of Avon MS 7th Place - Jacob Dennis of Prodigy WC 8th Place - Geno Penny of Muncie Wilson MS 1st Place Match Holden Parsons (Yorktown MS) won by fall over Cade Patton (Southridge Wrestling Crew) (Fall 0:40) 2nd Place Wrestleback Tate Johnson (Schmucker MS) won by fall over Cade Patton (Southridge Wrestling Crew) (Fall 1:25) 3rd Place Match Tate Johnson (Schmucker MS) won by fall over Dejuan Watkins (Scribner Middle School) (Fall 1:41) 5th Place Match Teague Scherer (Lapel MS) won by fall over Jonathan Brill (Avon MS) (Fall 0:52) 7th Place Match Jacob Dennis (Prodigy WC) won by forfeit over Geno Penny (Muncie Wilson MS) (FF)
    3 points
  6. Rankings are reflection of past accomplishments not predictions 2-7 have had really nice seasons
    3 points
  7. #TheBrand

    It’s Time

    I will speak from 1st hand knowledge...my son travels to CO, gets 10 matches in 1 day for FS GR at a LOCAL. Have your state Folk tournament end in Feb. Eliminate qualifiers. You do realize our own ISWA wouldn’t allow J Mendez to wrestle in schoolboy duals 1 year because of qualifiers. Smh....schoolboy duals shouldn’t be based off weight at state. Bring in 4 kids per weight class at camp BEFORE camp, goto camp, wrestle off 4 kids at end of camp for top 2 for team. OK now does this. PA allows kids to move up classes based off their camp. Again I know 1st hand knowledge. In IN, goto a local FS GR, get maybe 2 matches if you are lucky each class. We should eliminate weight classes until state. Block weight kids in 5 wrestler groups. Round robin. Get 8 potential matches. I do not want this to be a thread about ISWA, but we are WAY behind on our Olympic style wrestling due to our governing bodies. Class wrestling has ZERO to do with Fargo.
    3 points
  8. pjayroza

    It’s Time

    If you want to grow the sport, I do believe having more than 1 class would be the way to go. I really have no good argument against moving towards multi-class in order to grow. However, for strictly my greedy viewing purposes, I love the one class for individual wrestlers. (As a team, I have no issues with classed wrestling.) Knowing who the best individual in the state is something that I do appreciate watching every year. I understand that most of the champs would come out of the larger class, but rooting for that underdog under the lights is a feeling that is unexplainable.
    3 points
  9. I don't think he did either. But those ears would look good with some cauliflower, eh?
    3 points
  10. #TheBrand

    It’s Time

    Class wrestling doesn’t solve anything. As a parent of a young very successful youth wrestler who travels the country seeking the best matches, class wrestling waters down the accomplishment. Yes IN can compete with ANY state champ for champ, but we CANNOT compete with depth. Our 4th/5th place in a non class state cannot even compete with an IL/OH/PA etc state champ in class. We will be rewarding a participation champ medal. I’m my opinion, eliminate the travel restrictions AND allow 7/8th grade to compete in our state tournament like MN etc...It will improve the quality in 106/113, allow phenoms like Mendez etc to complete early, and help IN as a whole.
    3 points
  11. QuinnHarris

    It’s Time

    I don't comment on these often but I will say I believe that Indiana being single classed is the reason we are so tough at the top. In some states like Georgia there are as many as 7 classes for wrestling that means you have almost a full 8 man bracket of state champs. I feel like that waters down what it means to be a state champion. However I completely agree with a dual meet state being classed just like our IHSWCA has done for our state tournament gives all of the small schools great opportunities to show their talent but at the end of the day there is ONE state champion. Every year there are kids from small 1A and 2A schools that are high on the podium I believe this proves every year that wrestling shouldn't be classed because no matter where you come from if you put in the work you can get to bankers life, it doesn't take going to Cathedral, Perry, Brownsburg, Avon, etc, you can be a state champ from anywhere if you put in the work.
    3 points
  12. blueandgold

    It’s Time

    Tell that to David Taylor (4x OH Div. II State Champion), Gable Steveson (4x MN AAA State Champion), or Spencer Lee (3x PA AAA State Champion). I wonder if their classed championships make them any less of a state champion. In Illinois, state champion vs. state champion matches make for great entertainment. If I can recall, the Dvorak Invite back in 2013 featured an undefeated then-3X, eventual 4x Illinois 1A state champion in Josh Alber of Dakota against an eventual 4x Illinois 3A state champion in Jered Cortez, and Alber beat him. That same 1A Dakota team also was nationally ranked at the same time OPRF and Montini were, AND they won Disney that year when they WHOOPED a nationally ranked 3x defending national champion Perry Meridian, a team from a single class state, 55-4, but they were 1A so it doesn’t matter, right?
    3 points
  13. 2 points
  14. Said this a million times, but we need the IHSAA and IHSWCA to join forces even more than right now. Like posted above, they need to get rid of the schedule limits so that you can have single class individual & classed individual tournaments and team dual tournaments. 4 tournaments to get more wrestling in and hone the craft of our best teams and individuals. Not sure if we start earlier or same time as other states, but I know Ohio ends a month later. Why not have the classed individual tournaments and classed team dual tournaments in early to mid January and treat them like Al Smith's, Mater Dei event, and other big individual & dual tournaments? Then have the single class dual tournament in February and single class individual tournament in March?
    2 points
  15. base

    It’s Time

    REGARDLESS of school size, if a wrestler wants to compete at a very high level and go on to college wrestling, then they will likely need to do offseason training to hone their skillset. In a small school environment, you will be killing the other sports by hoping a good athlete will invest this extra time in a SINGLE sport.. wrestling. If your goal is to raise the skill level of the AVERAGE wrestler in the state, then money would be better spent on low-cost, high-quality, high-availability training facilities where small school students interested in wrestling can find better opponents to practice with, and also get consistent quality coaching I also would contend that the very quantity of "potential wrestlers" at small schools is not very high. Although having a classed tournament would increase the number of state place winners, I do not believe that it would increase ability increase participation significantly - note that some VERY large schools have extremely low participation numbers greatly change the number of athletes from Indiana that college wrestling teams are interested in. In fact, to the contrary, it could possibly backfire and decrease visibility to some high-level small school wrestlers
    2 points
  16. #TheBrand

    It’s Time

    We are too busy holding our state in school cafeterias and wrestling at 10 PM at night rather than making our youth tournaments mean something for a qualifier. Going to an ISWA event should earn points for seeding for 4 Regional qualifiers to qualify for ISWA state. Then you will see numbers increase. Making a qualifier for youth and MS state would only increase numbers pre HS.
    2 points
  17. Y2CJ41

    Updated Rankings #4

    Sometimes they drop so far they drop to another weight.
    2 points
  18. bwoodjc89

    It’s Time

    RE: Georgia. While 7 classes seems really high and really watery. Check out the team scores for Fargo 2019, this is from Flo. This is combined Cadets and Juniors. Georgia is on the rise nationally. Why? I'm not sure it's because it has 7 classes but it certainly isn't hurting them. Also funny that Minnesota is 2nd here as they have 7th graders winning state. Link is where I pulled from: https://www.flowrestling.org/results/6529893-2019-usmc-cadet-and-junior-national-championships/26737 Team Scores (Champs, All-Americans) Pennsylvania: 61 (2, 12) Minnesota: 51 (2, 12) Ohio: 50 (1, 10) Georgia: 42 (0, 9) Illinois: 40 (2, 9)
    2 points
  19. graham

    It’s Time

    Here is an argument on why one class is better for the kids: A state championship in a state with one class will carry more weight with college coaches. Also, I am raising my kids to think big. Not just in terms of wrestling, but in life. But in that theme, as far as wrestling goes, competing in a single class state tournament is a much bigger stage, and encourages them to shoot higher than a multi-class tourney.
    2 points
  20. Coach Brobst

    It’s Time

    The bolded section of the quote above is the key here. I love that our state has passionate fans that care what happens, but the sport is for the participants and any argument that is based on "the atmosphere at state" or "losing the great bloodround at the Semi-States" is simply a selfish argument. Small school kids that are needed to play multiple sports to make their Athletic Departments work and can't dedicate an entire year to wrestling are definitely on an uneven playing field from lack of ability to recruit and keep good coaching, less funding for the program, and fewer quality practice partners in the room (if any). We've all heard to exceptions to the rule: Wrestler A finishes top 4 at state from Class A school, so the system is not unfair! There will always be exceptions. However, if you look at long-term sustainability of wrestling at the small school level, more tastes of success would encourage more ADs to buy into it. So it stands to reason that if we split to 2 classes, schools like Madison Grant, Clinton Prarie, Owen Valley, and Wapahani (just random examples) who have not had a ton of success, may get a state qualifier or 2, then maybe that leads to another random "football/track" athlete that picks up wrestling and finds success and the ball starts rolling and suddenly a program which is perennially done by Regional Weekend (on a good year) and has 7-12 guys on the team is getting 3 extra weeks of practice and numbers go up to 15-25. This happens at even 20 schools and numbers are up by 100-200 athletes! Please note where I coach. This isn't a selfish decision for my program. HSE will be the biggest class regardless of how many divisions are set up. I've yet to hear any argument against classing that says it's worse for the kids or that one class is better for the kids. I'm generally open minded though, if you have an argument that says it's better to be one classed for the athletes, I'd love to hear it.
    2 points
  21. You gotta be careful with those posts. Some on here don't have 25 IQ points to lose!
    2 points
  22. Mason Parris got a nice 15-5 Major win in their dual against Oregon State. Michigan, short handed, lost the dual 21-15. The Wolverines were without Austin Assad at 133 (missed weight) and Kanen Storr at 141 (skin issue), not to mention Olympic Redshirts Stevan Micic, Myles Amine and Logan Massa. I find it interesting how the college system works. In 2014, Senior Stevan Micic beat Freshman Nick Lee in the IHSAA State Semifinal. In 2021 Micic and Lee will both be seniors in college.
    2 points
  23. Jcjcjc

    It’s Time

    Are any high school basketball games well attended anymore? Attendence at games has plummeted since class basketball has been implemented....and yes, I’m sure it isn’t the only factor.
    2 points
  24. blueandgold

    It’s Time

    I’ve been doing a lot of research and a lot of conceptualizing, and I think in order for us to increase the talent pool and further grow the sport of wrestling in Indiana we need to split into two or three classes for the state tournament on top of getting rid of our travel restrictions. I think we should follow the PA route and go AA/AAA. The enthusiasm from those 1A/2A schools who don’t have nearly as many resources as their 3A counterparts every year should be an indicator at what this sport could be. We have a GOOD state tournament, don’t get me wrong. However, it could be so much better if we opened up our travel restrictions and broke off by class. Imagine what kind of career guys like Trezdon O’Neal or other small/intermediate school guys could’ve had with a much better system.
    1 point
  25. Dickman is a phenom!
    1 point
  26. The ISWA has held elementary State duals for 10 years now. My guys have got 1st or 2nd every year and 5 titles. Pretty solid run. And... I’ll say it before Lewis does.... trophy chasing!
    1 point
  27. ShawSki

    It’s Time

    Honestly, there’s a crap ton of 1A and some 2A schools that don’t even have a wrestling program, I live near Terre Haute and I can think of 6-10 schools near me with 500 kids and less that don’t have wrestling programs. A lot of you guys are talking about doing the classes, then having another tournament after to decide the true championship, that’s pointless you leave it in one class. Just cause little Johnny isn’t better then Jordan doesn’t mean there should be more divisions. I don’t think a lot of colleges would even look at Many 1A schools, maybe a little 2A but majority 3A.
    1 point
  28. blueandgold

    It’s Time

    I didn’t kill my own point though. That’s what ISWA and USAW tournaments are for. Participation needs to go up there as well. You want a shot at the other class champ? Enter the same weight at Folkstyle State. People talk as if winning in a single class state means you’re automatically a super recruit. We NEED the depth. That’s what other states have that we don’t. That’s why going to classed wrestling can be a great thing because the states that we cannot compete with (IA, IL, OH, PA) have it and they have the depth to be good nationally. Just give these kids the incentive to want to wrestle and invest in wrestling. Isn’t there a saying that “the rising tide raises all ships”? How in any way would classed wrestling hurt? It wouldn’t. It’s just that most of you in this state are fearful of change and unwilling to open your mind, and everyone seems to believe a small school kid being successful would hurt a large school kid’s success when it wouldn’t. And I’m saying this as a graduate of a large school who won IHSWCA and IHSAA state and I qualified for state myself. Those smaller schools wouldn’t have disrupted my or my team’s successes in ANY way. No outcome would’ve been different because everyone my team or I lost to was from a larger school.
    1 point
  29. You don't get a question about the Golden Globes everyday but I was watching last night and saw Adam Driver a lot. He is from Mishawaka, and was a marine so I was just curious if anyone knew if he had ever tried wrestling, or even wrestled in middle or high school. With the strong tradition at Mishawaka its just something I have been curious about.
    1 point
  30. Check out the 170 rankings
    1 point
  31. SWINfan

    It’s Time

    You killed your own point with this one. Using 3 of the best wrestlers of this generation is misleading. but take David Taylor for example. Do you not think a freshman or sophomore David Taylor would not have liked a shot at whoever won the Div. I Champ? And other DII or DIII Champs wouldn't like a chance against the DI Champ? You then mention great Champs at smaller schools. No one says a DI or DIII Champ isn't great, it's that they are not the ONLY Champ. Big or small school champ may be better, but that's not always clear. No one says any don't matter, just that they are joined by others with the same title of State Champion.
    1 point
  32. Surprised to see Friedt drop out at 182. Close losses to #2, #3, and #8 and wins over #12 and #15.
    1 point
  33. Congrats to Avon and Rochester! I do have a few thoughts and would love to hear some feedback. I get the wildcard concept but I think its silly personally. Take your kids from your own school and see how it goes. I think it would make coaches have to recruit kids in their own building more and hopefully it would help grow the sport. Also I would love to see a 1A Elementary Dual as well. We had 14 1A and 2A schools in the small division. I haven't really counted how many of those happened to be 1A. I am speaking for Alexandria only that when we go down there sometimes its hard when another school has their "wildcard" who is a HAMMER and for our little school we have a 3rd or 4th year kid and it is discouraging to our kid. We have lost a few kids because of this. It is a little easier to swallow when it is a kid from their own school. We are very new to the elementary duals and we love the event but I just think it would be best to take what you have and see what happens. If you have a forfeit well it's a forfeit. Why have different rules for elementary than for high school? Just my opinion. I understand the reason behind the rule I just don't agree with it.
    1 point
  34. Was waiting for team state to be over. Was aiming for first thing this morning but didn’t have WiFi last night. But will be done today for sure.
    1 point
  35. bbulldog152

    It’s Time

    I also used to be a supporter of single class. With me the concern was all about the short term impact. Things like the transition and "lessening" the value of qualifying state or winning a state champ. Things that are all fan prospectives. I wasn't looking at long term affect until recently after almost 10 years of coaching. I think that is what happens with most single class supporters. Yes the change from single to 2 or 3 may seem to cheapen things at first but once class gets going we'll see numbers grow and more excitement some of the smaller schools. Sports like football, basketball, and baseball are going to get their numbers. We at a sport need to do what we can to get numbers. Not to mention more state champs will lead to more recruitments. Yes I understand there's other factors in recruitment accomplishments matter as well.
    1 point
  36. doctorWrestling

    It’s Time

    I used to be be a staunch 1 class believer but am not sure anymore. I am 100% positive that the atmosphere at the state finals would not be the same. I am no longer sure that is as important as I used to think. If Indiana did decide to add classes, I would hope they would do 2 classes at most. I think 3 would be pretty watered down. The Indiana State Finals are incredible and would hate to see that change but I also understand there are benefits for the smaller schools and the sport should be about the kids and not the fans.
    1 point
  37. Jcjcjc

    It’s Time

    Do any other IHSAA sports have 1/3 of the schools represented at state?
    1 point
  38. Travel restrictions is one thing I never understood. Schools that have the resources should be allowed to go anywhere they choose.
    1 point
  39. Those ref shirts were really ugly.
    1 point
  40. I completely agree that the weight cutting problem is only solved by coaches, parents and athletes cause there just isnt a good way to legislate it as some will always find "work arounds". I also agree with healthy living is the way to go but understand a kid "cutting" (within reason) down a weight class to make the lineup but not hard 15-30 lb cuts.
    1 point
  41. FCFIGHTER170

    Mat side weigh ins

    This is a problem coaches, parents and athletes need to deal with internally and responsibly..I don't think there's any certain way to nullify cutting across the board..it starts with the proper way of managing your weight and a system with your ppl.. if everybody did their part and looked out for their wrestler it wouldn't be near as bad..we have to get out out the mentality of depriving ourselves in order to have a ill advised never guaranteed advantage.. In MMA fighters are starting to realize that their natural weight and proper strength training will suit them better than cutting to the lower weight.. especially with Welterweights 170 that were cutting to 155.. they started started fighting at 170 and their careers began to skyrocket at the once thought 2aw too big they was running from...It doesn't make sense to stunt a kids growth while their naturally growing.. Proper dieting, training and clean living will go a long way especially compared to long nights doing damage to their bodies and organs.. I've cut 30 pounds in 6 days in 2007 for a fight and a few other bad cuts led me to realize I was so wrong and being detrimental to my growth and self.. I've never encouraged my guys to be "cutters" and never will.
    1 point
  42. blueandgold

    Zeke Seltzer

    Kid is just unreal. Saw him this weekend and was so impressed by how advanced his wrestling is for a sophomore. He was outstanding as a freshman and has managed to go up several more notches. The way he puts several attacks together and goes from one to the other and gets back points... You stress kids to drill that and he's the perfect example why. He's phenomenal. Was also really impressed with his win over Freeman. That was a statement.
    1 point
  43. I am more concerned with logistics of doing it at a tournament or multi-dual event. If you are eating a regular diet your weight will fluctuate a great deal during the day mainly depending upon how much you drink.Making weight multiple times in one day seems a little over the top and redundant.
    1 point
  44. littlevito

    Team State schedule

    It was great not having so much down time this year between rounds.
    1 point
  45. Your Wabash update. Next up National Duals Friday in Louisville. Good luck to all the IN dudes in all divisions.
    1 point
  46. I always have a tough time finding stuff in their website, but their Facebook page is super easy to use. I appreciate Region Sports covering wrestling so well. I love that we have real time commentary and coverage. It definitely adds to the environment. Wrestling!
    1 point
  47. I have compiled an Excel report the last few years (at least) on the ranked wrestlers that make it to Friday night, it is incredible how accurate they are. I am one of those 'nerdy' guys that enjoy numbers so much I create reports all the time just for my own learning. I too peruse the trackwrestling website trying to find results that are not entered, as well as as few twitter feeds. I know it will help me one year at the Pick 'em challenge....this may be my year!
    1 point
  48. Alright, I’ve been trying to high road and just not respond to your posts for a couple months, but your opinion of my ranking ability is pretty clear, so I have a request. How about instead of just making comments like “This guy is gonna prove he should be ranked,” or “I want to know how this guy isn’t ranked in the semi state?” you actually give me information about these kids? Have they lost at all this year? What notable wins do they have? I do enjoy doing the rankings quite a bit and feel very satisfied when a set is finished. But it’s not easy, man. There is a lot of stuff to go through and a lot of times there isn’t an objective way any weight class will go. You think it’s fun scrolling through trackwrestling’s Indiana page, looking at every Ft. Wayne team and each dual that had been posted, for multiple hours this week alone? 54/56 state qualifiers were ranked last year. Please quit implying that I don’t know what I’m doing.
    1 point
  49. FCFIGHTER170

    Early dark horse

    Being Ranked top 3 multiple years negates you being a dark horse..Carson is a great young man and a stud wrestler.. Then Again you're right what a scrub of a state champion that just took a OSU Midlands 5th placer to ot.. must've only been the PB&J!
    1 point
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