HawkinIndy Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 When attending the IHSAA State Finals over the past few years, I've always felt bad that by the time the 220 and HWT matches come around, half of the crowd has already left Gainbridge. Those kids work just as hard as the little guys, and nobody seems to miss those matches unless they're late on closing a bar tab between sessions. I noticed when watching the Big 12 championships and again during the NCAAs on Saturday night that the most intriguing championship match was saved for last to keep the crowd engaged in the arena and your streaming/televised crowd, too. At Big 12's, it was Iowa State's David Carr against Missouri's Keegan O'Toole, and then Yianni Diakomihalis' match for his fourth NCAA title was saved for last on Saturday. How difficult would it be to adapt this thought process to the IHSAA State Finals? It'd be nice to end with the best match of the night... keeps most of everyone in the building for all 14 bouts, sells more concessions, keeps your TV audience for the duration of the broadcast, etc. I'm no businessman, but it seems like a no-brainer. rdrodd1, littleblack.backpack, tangarrray and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Well someone would have to change the IHSAA mind on this. Per the Winter Bulletin: NOTE – A random order draw for championship final matches in the IHSAA individual tournament series is NOT TO BE USED. Championship matches throughout the individual tournament series shall be conducted in weight class order beginning with the 106 pound weight class. So if they currently won’t allow a random order then they need much more convincing to consider ever highlight a specific individual match at the end over the rest of the matches. While I agree it would be nice to see something like a potential 4xer go last, the IHSAA seems pretty steadfast on respecting/honoring all athletes involved rather than trying to place the focus on a specific individual or matchup. Edited March 21, 2023 by MattM TurkMcGurk and piscis1956 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket21 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I do remember the 2016 132 finals match between Chad Red & Nick Lee was saved for the last match (I believe) of the night due to the obvious hype and excitement around these two wrestling each other for the first time in IHSAA tourney history. #BringBackTheTights Paycheck141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, Cricket21 said: I do remember the 2016 132 finals match between Chad Red & Nick Lee was saved for the last match (I believe) of the night due to the obvious hype and excitement around these two wrestling each other for the first time in IHSAA tourney history. #BringBackTheTights No it wasn't HeadLocksWinChampionships, MUSKEEWRESTLER, Tcarter and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket21 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 23 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: No it wasn't I stand corrected. Apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 On 3/20/2023 at 8:42 PM, MattM said: Well someone would have to change the IHSAA mind on this. Per the Winter Bulletin: NOTE – A random order draw for championship final matches in the IHSAA individual tournament series is NOT TO BE USED. Championship matches throughout the individual tournament series shall be conducted in weight class order beginning with the 106 pound weight class. So if they currently won’t allow a random order then they need much more convincing to consider ever highlight a specific individual match at the end over the rest of the matches. While I agree it would be nice to see something like a potential 4xer go last, the IHSAA seems pretty steadfast on respecting/honoring all athletes involved rather than trying to place the focus on a specific individual or matchup. I can understand at Sectionals, Regionals, Semi-State. But why not the state finals? We started the state finals in 2022 at 152 lbs first round.... I just do not understand the logic behind their rule. The Red vs. Lee match should have been the last match, Mendez 4x should have been the last match, etc. etc. tangarrray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachDuke2.0 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I like the idea. However, it they didn’t do it for Nick Lee vs Chad Red who I believe were #1 and #2 in the country at that time (feel free to correct me if im wrong) I don’t think it is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, CoachDuke2.0 said: I like the idea. However, it they didn’t do it for Nick Lee vs Chad Red who I believe were #1 and #2 in the country at that time (feel free to correct me if im wrong) I don’t think it is going to happen. They didn't, but they should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julio Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 IHSAA does not like to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkinIndy Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 On 3/23/2023 at 1:57 PM, julio said: IHSAA does not like to change. Yes, with any kind of tradition it’s always the easy route to say “well, this is the way we’ve always done it, so…” I hear that line at work far too often. I work with Faulkens on the IHSAA baseball finals so will go straight to the source to at least hear reasons on it not making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awill0352 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 On 3/23/2023 at 12:57 PM, julio said: IHSAA does not like to change. They totally changed the basketball tournament for regionals and semi state this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyWrestler03 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 This seems like a pretty easy change to make. Hopefully it is considered by the powers that be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINfan Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 On 3/22/2023 at 1:35 PM, brickfor6 said: I can understand at Sectionals, Regionals, Semi-State. But why not the state finals? We started the state finals in 2022 at 152 lbs first round.... I just do not understand the logic behind their rule. The Red vs. Lee match should have been the last match, Mendez 4x should have been the last match, etc. etc. He gave you their logic. You (nor I) have to agree with it, but it's right there. "So if they currently won’t allow a random order then they need much more convincing to consider ever highlight a specific individual match at the end over the rest of the matches. " This topic comes up frequently, never more so than before the 2016 Finals. It's not new. As fans, we see solid reasoning to do it. The IHSAA in general has to decide if making such a chance could be a slippery slope to allow other changes in other sports. As with the placement of next year's State Finals, there is a bigger picture than most fans consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 hours ago, SWINfan said: He gave you their logic. You (nor I) have to agree with it, but it's right there. "So if they currently won’t allow a random order then they need much more convincing to consider ever highlight a specific individual match at the end over the rest of the matches. " This topic comes up frequently, never more so than before the 2016 Finals. It's not new. As fans, we see solid reasoning to do it. The IHSAA in general has to decide if making such a chance could be a slippery slope to allow other changes in other sports. As with the placement of next year's State Finals, there is a bigger picture than most fans consider. When was the Logic (reasoning behind their decision of a rule) posted? I understand trying to highlight all athletes, but how many were in the stands to see Leighton Jones win state vs Revin Dickman? So are we really highlighting all athletes? Alex Skipper and tangarrray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdiggity Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 2 hours ago, brickfor6 said: When was the Logic (reasoning behind their decision of a rule) posted? I understand trying to highlight all athletes, but how many were in the stands to see Leighton Jones win state vs Revin Dickman? So are we really highlighting all athletes? I wasn’t aware Jones and Dickman wrestled each other! I kid, I kid . . . HWTDAD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 21 hours ago, Lawdiggity said: I wasn’t aware Jones and Dickman wrestled each other! I kid, I kid . . . Well, it happened and there was no one in the stands because it was the last match… I kid, I kid… MUSKEEWRESTLER, HWTDAD and Lawdiggity 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, brickfor6 said: Well, it happened and there was no one in the stands because it was the last match… I kid, I kid… Still can’t believe Dickman teched Jones brickfor6 and Lawdiggity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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