mdtodd Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I know this is about not winning a championship. But after the finish totals it got me thinking about that. And this doesn’t apply but can anyone help spark my memory. There was a kid from Belmont around early 2000 that won as a freshman and finished 3rd 3x(finish total of 10) I’m drawing a blank. blueandgold and formercollegekid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 John Sheets mdtodd, oldfat119 and formercollegekid 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyHardcastle Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 38 minutes ago, TripleB said: John Sheets Won it as a freshman, three straight 3rds after that. mdtodd and formercollegekid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, mdtodd said: I know this is about not winning a championship. But after the finish totals it got me thinking about that. And this doesn’t apply but can anyone help spark my memory. There was a kid from Belmont around early 2000 that won as a freshman and finished 3rd 3x(finish total of 10) I’m drawing a blank. 59 minutes ago, TripleB said: John Sheets 20 minutes ago, bigballerb said: Won it as a freshman, three straight 3rds after that. Yep formercollegekid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheaney Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 Pain. Mattyb, Cricket21 and FCFIGHTER170 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinedad Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) Not sure about how well he did all the years, but Taylor March had some solid years, I know he was there 2 years, not sure about the other 2 years. I tried to find some info on him, but my resource investigation skills are lacking. never mind, he won it his senior year. Edited March 1, 2023 by Trinedad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Trinedad said: Not sure about how well he did all the years, but Taylor March had some solid years, I know he was there 2 years, not sure about the other 2 years. I tried to find some info on him, but my resource investigation skills are lacking. never mind, he won it his senior year. Mitchell1993, Cricket21, Jayruss and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Trinedad said: Not sure about how well he did all the years, but Taylor March had some solid years, I know he was there 2 years, not sure about the other 2 years. I tried to find some info on him, but my resource investigation skills are lacking. never mind, he won it his senior year. 25 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: Accomplishments Click here to add accomplishmentsState2009 135 State 1st2008 125 State 3rd2007 119 State 2nd2006 112 State 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I’m surprised no one hasn’t said Austin Bethel yet. Four-time state qualifier who beat both Brayton and Joe Lee and immediately was an All-American as a true freshman at Wabash. MUSKEEWRESTLER, Jayruss and Cricket21 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Spires Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, blueandgold said: I’m surprised no one hasn’t said Austin Bethel yet. Four-time state qualifier who beat both Brayton and Joe Lee and immediately was an All-American as a true freshman at Wabash. Bethel wins the “best to never place” battle, but it pretty difficult to put a “never placed” wrestler ahead of guys who made the semis 3+ times. formercollegekid, MitchRobb, Jayruss and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Y2CJ41 said: Finally formercollegekid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 55 minutes ago, Caleb Spires said: Bethel wins the “best to never place” battle, but it pretty difficult to put a “never placed” wrestler ahead of guys who made the semis 3+ times. Fair point. MUSKEEWRESTLER, Coplen187 and FCFIGHTER170 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) Obviously a little bias, but Zack Fattore. 102-8 in his career. 14-1 as a Freshman, his only loss was to Tommy Cash. Didn't wrestle the rest of the season. 9-1 as a Sophomore, Injury default. End of season. 37-5 as a Junior. 2 Losses to Swank, 1 to Penola, Sprained ankle in quarter finals wrestled on 1 leg against Webster and lost 5-1, Injury default in 3/4 match. Ended 4th in the State. Ohhhh Senior year, was 41-0 going into the semi finals of state- had 2 Techs in the previous rounds, then had a (Very) bad call that gave him his 1st loss in the semis against Rader. Crary injury defaulted the 3/4 match. Zack finished 3rd and 42-1. Zack Fattore Profile Edited March 2, 2023 by brickfor6 Paycheck141, blueandgold and Mitchell1993 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formercollegekid Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 @brickfor6 I'm truly just asking because I don't remember the match. but what happened? The record page says he got pinned? seriously not trying to start a fight just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 9 hours ago, formercollegekid said: @brickfor6 I'm truly just asking because I don't remember the match. but what happened? The record page says he got pinned? seriously not trying to start a fight just curious He got pinned in a defensive fall by Rader while up 3-0. I think he was about to turn him and they just called it. formercollegekid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formercollegekid Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I see, thanks @blueandgold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchell1993 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 hour ago, formercollegekid said: I see, thanks @blueandgold Pinned himself by accident. If I remember correctly, it was a quick pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayruss Posted March 5, 2023 Author Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 7:51 PM, Caleb Spires said: Bethel wins the “best to never place” battle, but it pretty difficult to put a “never placed” wrestler ahead of guys who made the semis 3+ times. Definitely the best to never medal. Cricket21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formercollegekid Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/1/2023 at 8:51 PM, Caleb Spires said: Bethel wins the “best to never place” battle, but it pretty difficult to put a “never placed” wrestler ahead of guys who made the semis 3+ times. Completely agree Side note, fewer 4xqualifiers then 4xchamps Craig Alstott Floyd Central (1986) Michael Miller Madison (2005) Austin Bethel Mount Vernon (Posey) (2017) Michael Miller had some horrible draws. Cricket21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenadier2012 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 7 hours ago, formercollegekid said: Completely agree Side note, fewer 4xqualifiers then 4xchamps Craig Alstott Floyd Central (1986) Michael Miller Madison (2005) Austin Bethel Mount Vernon (Posey) (2017) Michael Miller had some horrible draws. Alex Tsirtsis, Dillon Whitacre, Eric Aue, Cahmelan Porter. I believe in that order. Up in at least one of the matches, if not two. Broke his foot in the sectional finals as a senior wrestled through, but faded in the Porter match. It gets brought up every year but we (Madison) have arguments for best to never place and best to never win. Michael Galbreath, early 1990's, (3x qualifier, 2x runner up). We'll clear that bad juju in due time. TripleB and MUSKEEWRESTLER 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Plank Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 3:57 PM, formercollegekid said: I was Matt Jaggers teammate and he had the best hip switch I ever seen. Be on the lookout for his two younger boys. Well as @Y2CJ41 would say there is a website for that ... but I'll save everyone sometime. I liked the idea of a Final score that @purdue02 came up with. I kept this list to people who finished with a final of 30 or less. State Qualifier = 16 Starting with the Original best to not win Ralph Clark- East Chicago Roosevelt 2,3,2,3 final score (10) Shannon Stout- Delta 6,5,2,3 Final score (16) Damon Hummel- Rochester SQ,2,2,3 Final score (23) Mac Taylor- New Castle 6,5,3,3 Final score (17) Tim Maldonado- East Chicago Central 4,SQ,6,2 Final score (28) Robert Maldonado- East Chicago Central 4,SQ,2,3 Final score (25) Randy Baker- Bellmont 3,3,6,7 Final score (19) Andy Uhl- East Noble SQ,4,3,2 Final score (25) Matt Jaggers- New Castle SQ,5,7,2 Final score (30) Craig Macke- Evansville Mater Dei 4,2,2,3 Final score (11) Tyler Goble- Bloomington South 4,5,5,SQ Final score (30) Kyle Mosier- Yorktown SQ,4,4,3 Final score (27) Justin Brooks- Warsaw 5,4,4,5 Final score (18) Derek Bevans- Yorktown SQ,5,6,3 Final score (30) Justin Kieffer- Roncalli 7,7,4,3 Final score (21) Josh Kieffer- Roncalli 5,2,4,2 Final score (13) John Sims- Evansville Mater Dei 6,4,5,2 Final score (17) Tyler Willis- Indianapolis Cathedral 7,2,3,4 Final score (16) Connor Mullins- New Castle 5,3,2,8 Final score (18) Luke Welch- Castle SQ,5,5,2 Final score (28) Zachary Davis- Penn SQ,6,2,2 Final score (26) Vincent Corsaro- Indianapolis Cathedral 6,2,2,2 Final score (12) Chandler Carroll- Yorktown 3,5,4,5 Final score (17) Ben Harvey- Indianapolis Cathedral 7,3,SQ,2 Final score (28) Brandon James- Perry Meridian 3,5,2,3 Final score (13) Connor Knapp- East Noble SQ,4,3,4 Final score (27) Gunnar Larson- Avon SQ,5,2,3 Final score (26) Tristen Tonte- Warren Central SQ,2,2,2 Final score (22) Skylour Turner- Warren Central 8,7,5,5 Final score (25) Gleason Mappes- Center Grove SQ,4,4,2 Final score (26) Kasper McIntosh- Portage 8,2,5,6 Final score (21) Christian Hunt- Yorktown 6,SQ,2,2 Final score (26) Ty Mills- Brownsburg 2,3,2,3 Final score (10) Nathan Walton- Brownsburg 8,3,3,2 Final score (16) Alex Mosconi- Indianapolis Cathedral SQ,7,2,2 Final score (27) Logan Boe- Danville 8,5,7,3 Final score (23) Mason Winner- Jay County 7,8,5,5 Final score (25) Drake Campbell- Brownsburg 5,5,6,5 Final score (21) Raymond Rioux- Avon 6,3,2,2 Final score (13) David Pierson- Warren Central 4,5,4,4 Final score (17) Ian Heath- Leo SQ,5,6,3 Final score (30) Brock Ellis- Chesterton SQ,4,5,2 Final score (27) Aiden Warren- Perry Meridian SQ,3,3,3 Final score (25) Isaac Ruble- Bellmont SQ,2,2,5 Final score (25) Delaney Ruhlman- Bloomington South SQ,2,2,2 Final score (22) Cheaney Schoeff- Avon 2,2,3,3 Final score (10) This list should (mathematically at least) bring some light to the conversation. I loved going through the old records and reliving some of these moments/ careers. oldfat119 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Seymour Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 10:41 AM, purdue02 said: Statistically speaking is Schoeff the “best” to never win it? His finishes are 2, 2, 3, and 3. Does any other non-champ have a finish total of less than 10? (2+2+3+3) I know Corsaro was 2nd three times but his finish total adds up to 12 (6+2+2+2) because of his 6th place finish his freshman year. Ty Mills BBurg- 2,3,2,3 Jayruss and Worden 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenHeavyHandz Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) I see it differently. If we are talking best to never win it I have to mention Tony Vaughn. A second and a third for FW Snider. Went on to Win the Big Tens and place 3rd at D1 Nationals as a Sophomore. An unfortunate series of events and injuries derailed his bid for a title. Edited December 21, 2023 by GenHeavyHandz Coplen187 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THECountyFan Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 On 2/19/2023 at 8:21 PM, FCFIGHTER170 said: He lost it the conference Finals when he was very sick but no excuse he was beaten by Huntington Norths Nick/logan Randle at the NCC championships keeping BC from being a four-time conference champion! BC had beaten him pretty handily earlier in the season for losing to him at conference. What's even crazier is that was Randall's only loss going into State at 41-1 and he would lose a heartbreaker 4-3 to Mason Todd in the first round... That 112 bracket is one of the most loaded brackets I've ever seen in the state finals history... What's even more wild is semi state that year Campbell won, the top four were Campbell, Todd, McKinley and Harvey. That is three state champs and a two-time runner-up all in the same semi state LOL.. Campbell lost to the state champ back 2-0, but that bracket had so many legendary guys that I'm going to have to post it. Kyle Ayersman is the softest 3x’er in IHSAA History. Soft Coach too. Jayruss and Cricket21 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THECountyFan Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Ty Mills, Blaze Garcia , Peyton Asbury. Could name a few more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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