maligned Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Faithcoach said: Do the current scores reflect points that were sent in for wrestlers who were unable to wrestle due to injury? Not yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornetSloan Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 12 hours ago, X_R A T E D said: Here's how 1a would look if we did the top 3 (with each teams current place after regional) from each semi state to have even involvement. 5 top 12 teams wouldn't even be competing at Team State if we used this method. Fort Wayne: Rochester (1), Cowan (2), North Miami (3) East Chicago: West Central (7), Faith Christian (13), Seeger (21) New Castle: Southmont (8), Rossville (14), Eastern Hancock (17) Evansville: Cascade (5), Tell City (12), Switzerland County (22) And imagine if we did top 2 from each semi state in 3a and 4a. In 4a, the Fort Wayne teams would be Homestead who is in 15th place and Elkhart in 20th currently. It would be nice to see more representation across the state but 1a and 2a has many good teams in the Fort Wayne area. Fort Wayne also hasn't been represented well in 3a and 4a when you look at the history of this event. The only goal of Team State should be to invite the top 12 or top 8 teams to make the best event possible! For some reason I can't quite put my finger on, I think I'd be ok with this setup. horseofadifferentcolor and Nate Spangle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Sandefer Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Mishawaka 220 is now officially moving on to ECSS. Not sure how much that effects our points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Steven Sandefer said: Mishawaka 220 is now officially moving on to ECSS. Not sure how much that effects our points? I don't think it effects anything, unless they win first round of SS. Coach Tonte and Steven Sandefer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Steven Sandefer said: Mishawaka 220 is now officially moving on to ECSS. Not sure how much that effects our points? 4 hours ago, brickfor6 said: I don't think it effects anything, unless they win first round of SS. brickfor6 is right. Otherwise, we'd be awarding an extra set of SS points to your regional. But if he wins, he obviously steps into that new scoring tier he earned. Steven Sandefer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honyock Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 20 hours ago, rookie78 said: Great reason to move 1A back NORTH!! Is that because a southern team has won it the last four years? gonzoron, MattM, Cody Moll and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Honyock said: Is that because a southern team has won it the last four years? OICU182, Jpolen, maligned and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie78 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Honyock said: Is that because a southern team has won it the last four years? That too, lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allritecoach Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Steven Sandefer said: Mishawaka 220 is now officially moving on to ECSS. Not sure how much that effects our points? Who is being replaced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpt189 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Honyock said: Is that because a southern team has won it the last four years? Southern teams from the same conference no less. Pac has had the champ the last 4 years and runner up 2 of the last 4 years KLH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 The leaderboard is now updated through semi-state. Read the few intro sentences above the link to understand the update. sslaymon and OICU182 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhayes Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 So how many points do you lose when you have a freshman, that was in the lineup all year, gets a season ending injury the week before sectionals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, rhayes said: So how many points do you lose when you have a freshman, that was in the lineup all year, gets a season ending injury the week before sectionals? As has been explained to me, you’re bleep out of luck. SA would be auto in if we didn’t have two late injuries and a missed weight. Still not sure how the points spit out the returning 5th place finisher that returns 12 of 14 starters outside the auto bid. We’ll earn our spot again next December. QuinnHarris and TZeis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Thor said: As has been explained to me, you’re bleep out of luck. SA would be auto in if we didn’t have two late injuries and a missed weight. Still not sure how the points spit out the returning 5th place finisher that returns 12 of 14 starters outside the auto bid. We’ll earn our spot again next December. It's tough. As someone who likes to see the strongest teams involved, I genuinely wince to see weakened sectional lineups from deserving teams. But if we want to keep qualification as a competition (with 2 vote-ins to catch the bad luck teams), there are always going to be cases of horrible timing with injuries. It's no different than placing 6th instead of 2nd at a conference tournament because of 3 starters being out. It's bad luck and a raw deal and we go win the next one, like you said about December. Best of luck in the offseason. You guys have a great program. Edited February 14, 2023 by maligned Thor, piscis1956, MUSKEEWRESTLER and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Spangle Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I will get to work scheduling wild card weekend if we can get 5 other schools in. 12/9 we could host in Indy. (We can't schedule earlier than this because of football) Garrett doesn't look like they have anything RC hosts a Super Dual Peru doesn't look like they have anything Angola doesn't look like they have anything Glenn hosts a super dual Southridge has the PAC (might be tough to move) Totally understand if coaches don't want to realign their schedules to make this work. We will host/ travel anywhere to earn a wildcard spot. 12/2 we see Cascade, Owen Valley, and South Putnam. (Maybe Monrovia as well) We see Hamilton Heights the following week. If we can get a chunk of those 11-20 teams to see each other in early December it could help find the best 2 wild card teams. Thor, GWCoach, djackson0944 and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 A couple more injury updates have been added. To remind people how these points are added in: 1. We remove 75% of your team's average per-wrestler score (this is an estimate of a team's JV level). 2. We "replace" that value with the level reached last year by the injured wrestler who is returning next year. Example just completed for Zionsville: Starting score 166. Calculated 75% of team average: 9. Replace the 9 with 13 semi-state points earned in 2022 by a kid coming back in 2023-24 who was out for sectional in 2023 due to injury. Score moves from 166 to 170. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 One more injury update added. Three Top 10 changes and four total have been added today in addition to others put in earlier in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) The new version of the Team State qualification leaderboard in the first post is now final. More than any year I can remember, the margins were very, very thin between getting in automatically and needing to be one of the two voted-in teams. Numerous teams were close enough that even one more level of advancement by any wrestler would have resulted in qualification. Remember too that the rule was changed by coaches' preference to now do vote-ins for both final wildcards in all classes in December just before the holidays. Edited February 21, 2023 by maligned Thor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Perry has 13 returning starters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Kendrick Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 They had 2 seniors at Sectional. ontherise219 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 52 minutes ago, ontherise219 said: Perry has 13 returning starters? All the starred teams on the leaderboard have one additional starter back from injury or transfer situations. ontherise219 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, R. Kendrick said: They had 2 seniors at Sectional. See above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherise219 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, maligned said: All the starred teams on the leaderboard have one additional starter back from injury or transfer situations. Does it take away from points that were in that same weight? does a team like CP get double points for Evan Cruz(jr) at 138 then Kaptur(jr) qualify for semi state at 38? Honest question not complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ontherise219 said: Does it take away from points that were in that same weight? does a team like CP get double points for Evan Cruz(jr) at 138 then Kaptur(jr) qualify for semi state at 38? Honest question not complaining In short, definitely not. This was my explanation of the application of injury situations from last week further up this page: On 2/15/2023 at 3:37 PM, maligned said: A couple more injury updates have been added. To remind people how these points are added in: 1. We remove 75% of your team's average per-wrestler score (this is an estimate of a team's JV level). 2. We "replace" that value with the level reached last year by the injured wrestler who is returning next year. Example just completed for Zionsville: Starting score 166. Calculated 75% of team average: 9. Replace the 9 with 13 semi-state points earned in 2022 by a kid coming back in 2023-24 who was out for sectional in 2023 due to injury. Score moves from 166 to 170. Edited February 21, 2023 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickfor6 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) Stinks that the Hobart Regional was Category 2 this year... Hobart Regional: 9 qualifiers, 6 placers, 3 semi-finalist Logansport had 2 placers from the same school. They were a category 3. IF is the biggest 2 letter word in the dictionary. Hobart was on the cuff of making it as an autobid. Our HWT only scored sectional points, and wrestled at the semi-state. Our 220 Scored only regional points and wrestled at the semi- State. IF they would have won 1st round of SS, that would have boosted our score by 29 points I believe. (Putting us in 3rd) @malignedI know this is a ton of work, but I just wanted to say thank you. I believe we are good enough to be there next year. 2 Returning State medalist, 5 returning semi-state qualifiers, and some MS wrestlers that will make an immediate impact. 2 of which are ranked #4 & #22 on the MS Rankings on Indianamat. Edited February 22, 2023 by brickfor6 bomber_bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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