Y21AB Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) What do you think Indiana's best line up would be of our top non d1 guys in the past would look like. Here are my picks. 125 Alan Grammer 133 Andy Uhl 141 Brandon Wright 149 Nick Walpole 157 Charlie Pingleton 165 Ben Hoover 174 Micheal Jackson 184 Matt Hurford 197 Riley Lefever 285 Jeff Pease Edited April 22, 2021 by Y21AB FCFIGHTER170 and Jayruss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Humble Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Please excuse my bias but I would put Sawyer Miller at 125. NAIA National Champ, three time All American wrestled at INDIANA Tech Jayruss and FCFIGHTER170 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y21AB Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Coach Humble said: Please excuse my bias but I would put Sawyer Miller at 125. NAIA National Champ, three time All American wrestled at INDIANA Tech 1986 126 NCAA DI 5th for SIU-Edwardsville1986 126 NCAA DII 1st for SIU-Edwardsville1985 134 NCAA DI 3rd for SIU-Edwardsville1985 134 NCAA DII 1st for SIU-Edwardsville1984 134 NCAA DII 3rd for SIU-Edwardsville Id say Grammer had a better college career. sawyer was great but Grammer was a 2 time d2 champ and a d1 AA. SWINfan and FCFIGHTER170 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Brobst Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 36 minutes ago, Y21AB said: 1986 126 NCAA DI 5th for SIU-Edwardsville1986 126 NCAA DII 1st for SIU-Edwardsville1985 134 NCAA DI 3rd for SIU-Edwardsville1985 134 NCAA DII 1st for SIU-Edwardsville1984 134 NCAA DII 3rd for SIU-Edwardsville Id say Grammer had a better college career. sawyer was great but Grammer was a 2 time d2 champ and a d1 AA. Does that disqualify him since he was D1? just a thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y21AB Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 58 minutes ago, Coach Brobst said: Does that disqualify him since he was D1? just a thought! I debated that myself but he attended a d2 school though and qualified for D1 nationals by winning d2s. If you exclude him then there a few guys up for debate. Hayden Lee, Sawyer Miller, Josh Kieffer and probably a few others I'm forgetting off of the top of my head. FCFIGHTER170 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINfan Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 54 minutes ago, Y21AB said: I debated that myself but he attended a d2 school though and qualified for D1 nationals by winning d2s. If you exclude him then there a few guys up for debate. Hayden Lee, Sawyer Miller, Josh Kieffer and probably a few others I'm forgetting off of the top of my head. I don't think you can exclude him for that. He was a DII wrestler that qualified (different from today) and placed in the DI Tournament after his final DII Tourney, which he won. Don't count the DI 5th Place finish and he still had two DII Titles, which is a higher level than NAIA. Grammar is the right call, IMO FCFIGHTER170 and Y21AB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Humble Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 In spite of different opinions, we must all be proud of our Indiana guys who gained opportunities to wrestle outside of D1 and find great success. Thanks for researching and bringing this to the forefront FCFIGHTER170 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINfan Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Coach Humble said: In spite of different opinions, we must all be proud of our Indiana guys who gained opportunities to wrestle outside of D1 and find great success. Thanks for researching and bringing this to the forefront You're invited to join the College Forum for such discussion. There is an annual thread for posting results of all IN kids wrestling at all levels. Sure the DI guys get the most attention, but there has been plenty of results and articles posted and discussion of guys wrestling in DII, DIII and NAIA. It's not as busy as the HS Forum, but all are welcome and contributions/results are encouraged as well. FCFIGHTER170 and MattM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 1 hour ago, SWINfan said: You're invited to join the College Forum for such discussion. There is an annual thread for posting results of all IN kids wrestling at all levels. Sure the DI guys get the most attention, but there has been plenty of results and articles posted and discussion of guys wrestling in DII, DIII and NAIA. It's not as busy as the HS Forum, but all are welcome and contributions/results are encouraged as well. I second that. That boards grown a lot in the last few years, but it could always use more contributors. FCFIGHTER170 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachLionheart Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Didn't Grammer beat John Smith? I was thinking that was true. blorek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, CoachLionheart said: Didn't Grammer beat John Smith? I was thinking that was true. Yes he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blorek Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 On 4/23/2021 at 6:02 PM, Coach Humble said: Please excuse my bias but I would put Sawyer Miller at 125. NAIA National Champ, three time All American wrestled at INDIANA Tech Alan Grammer SIUE All-Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blorek Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, CoachLionheart said: Didn't Grammer beat John Smith? I was thinking that was true. He did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infowrestling Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I would take Sawyer Miller over Alan Grammar, John Smith, and a pack of wolves (all at the same time) in a Steel Cage Match. Y21AB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, infowrestling said: I would take Sawyer Miller over Alan Grammar, John Smith, and a pack of wolves (all at the same time) in a Steel Cage Match. As long as it's not Hayden Lee, I think he's fine. infowrestling and purdue02 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infowrestling Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: As long as it's not Hayden Lee, I think he's fine. Sawyer would be ready to even the score in the steel cage, I'm certain Edited April 27, 2021 by infowrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 hours ago, infowrestling said: Sawyer would be ready to even the score in the steel cage, I'm certain The steel cage may be the great equalizer. infowrestling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Humble Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Didn’t Sawyer defeat Hayden twice his senior year? Thor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y21AB Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 On 4/26/2021 at 1:32 PM, blorek said: On 4/26/2021 at 12:53 PM, CoachLionheart said: Didn't Grammer beat John Smith? I was thinking that was true. Also a little known fact is that Alan Grammer was the only wrestler in John Smith's college career to beat Smith twice. IU89 and FCFIGHTER170 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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