CaveMonster Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, SharkBit said: So the foundation of this issue that has now been established by the school in question by blocking a student athlete from leaving their program has been determined by their own due diligence with the gathering of facts, dates, timelines and documention? Does this same due diligence now fall upon the coaching staff, athletic department and the Principal of the school who is ultimately responsible according to IHSAA by laws regarding transfers and eligibility to review their own transfers? So forgive me but is anyone not totally comfortable that three highly ranked National level wrestling families coincidentally all moved to Penn Township in Northern Indiana. NOTE the key here is wrestling FAMILY moved. If there is as rumored, finger pointing of this being a result of outside influence....that does not relieve this school in their responsibility to do the same due diligence and remedy or correct the situation now in regards to the three out of state wrestlers in question. The purist may say....let those kids wrestle? But what about those kids within your own program that have been put aside? A week ago was Conference. What about those kids that have grown up wrestling in our community but were displaced by the those kids. Or Sectionals yesterday. Penn wins as a team 320 pts to 2nd place team of 281 pts. Yet 102 of the 320 team points were scored by 1st year move ins. Another week of several local kids displaced in the process. Maybe the next few weeks will affect more of you and get your attention? I am all for a kid going from one local school to another and being able to wrestle. This is not the same thing. IHSAA rules are clear about eligibilty regarding moves. A bona fide family move being at the center of the language regarding the granting of that eligibility. I am not making accusations or pointing fingers with my comments or opinions. I am simply asking if the same basis of review has been applied in all of these cases of transfer within the same program? So when you say the wrestling FAMILY moved to the Penn district, you are talking about the how wrestlers are moving into the Head Coach’s brothers basement? nkraus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athenr Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 National kids picking Penn? There has to be more than that for a reason a family moves!? I think transfers before season are ok but not during the season. Gives the kids that are “put aside” time to work harder (or should’ve been before) and/or adjust. Wrestling prepares you for the real world and although we think of it as a high school sport...these are young men getting ready for the real world. Anyone can take a job if they’ve worked hard and put themselves in the best position to get that job. Helps who you know some times also:) Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Athenr said: National kids picking Penn? There has to be more than that for a reason a family moves!? Probably just the natural beauty of the South Bend metro area? Caleb Spires, formercollegekid, AdamsCoBuschhh and 3 others 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Xpwc said: Someone went to a lot of trouble preventing arguably the states best wrestler the opportunity to compete. Sounded like the kid was just looking for a better situation, with a coach that had more interest in helping him than following around a girl that graduated years ago and living off her success. The last I heard , Carroll wasn't even going to wrestle in high school . Was going to focus on national Tournaments . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, M109R said: The last I heard , Carroll wasn't even going to wrestle in high school . Was going to focus on national Tournaments . So Penn might have just been honoring his wishes if they stood in the way of his ability to gain eligibility at a new school... Portage Fan and formercollegekid 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosgrove Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 22 hours ago, fanofwrestling said: I am tired of the hypocrisy. Recently a very talented wrestler was declared ineligible to participate in the state wrestling tournament. This did not only deny a precious year to a high school kid, but also all of Indiana eager to see one of the nations finest improving his craft for all of Indiana’s enjoyment. The reason for this travesty was due to Penn finding a loophole in the Indiana by-laws and exploiting it. Why? No one knows for sure, but what is for sure is a great ambassador for the sport we love will not be showcased on Indiana’s grandest stage. So why is this hypocrisy? Penn has 4 wrestlers from out of state competing for them. A wrestler from Texas, Michigan, Illinois, and South Carolina all of a sudden transferred to Penn this year. Yet there has been no investigation, despite overwhelming evidence of recruiting. The reason for this is simple, most adults realize these kids only have a limited time in school and if they want to leave to a different school, they let them because it is in the best interest for the kid. This happens often in northern Indiana, I am sure also throughout the state and all over the country. In fact, many, many, wrestlers from various programs in northern Indiana have transferred to join Penn. Penn accepts them wholeheartedly. No one fought the transfer because why punish the kid. However, when Penn loses a kid the first thing they do is block the kid. Blatant Hypocrisy. So they have guy from out of the state who live in their district...... people that want to move into our state for our competition and better exposure BRING IT ON!!! Come and make our state better at wrestling and give us more depth. 1gold, BrennanFan, DominatorJK and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Athenr said: National kids picking Penn? There has to be more than that for a reason a family moves!? I think transfers before season are ok but not during the season. Gives the kids that are “put aside” time to work harder (or should’ve been before) and/or adjust. Wrestling prepares you for the real world and although we think of it as a high school sport...these are young men getting ready for the real world. Anyone can take a job if they’ve worked hard and put themselves in the best position to get that job. Helps who you know some times also:) Just my 2 cents. Wasn't aware any of Penn's wrestlers were nationally ranked . Edited January 31, 2021 by M109R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1gold Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Its all about the kids getting better and competition. Not everyone will wrestle in college , or even wants to because it's such a grind .. I'm all for kids getting better .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 14 hours ago, 1gold said: Its all about the kids getting better and competition. Not everyone will wrestle in college , or even wants to because it's such a grind .. I'm all for kids getting better .. Well are you saying someone on here is going to disagree with you here?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57ninjas Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Thor said: I assume this is Christian Carroll and Penn Yes, to my understanding he didn’t like the coaching so he transferred to New Prairie where he’s close to the rtc and staff is more enjoyable. Then penn denied him his sectional run. Even though he got all the required weigh ins after cutting weight, and required practices. New prairie tried all they could to let a kid wrestle but penn basically said nah. Thor, FCFIGHTER170, FWwrestling1996 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalittlegreco Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, 57ninjas said: Yes, to my understanding he didn’t like the coaching so he transferred to New Prairie where he’s close to the rtc and staff is more enjoyable. Then penn denied him his sectional run. Even though he got all the required weigh ins after cutting weight, and required practices. New prairie tried all they could to let a kid wrestle but penn basically said nah. Wouldn't the IHSAA be dictating the rules rather than Penn HS? MrsTeamGarcia and Penn04 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, 57ninjas said: Yes, to my understanding he didn’t like the coaching so he transferred to New Prairie where he’s close to the rtc and staff is more enjoyable. Then penn denied him his sectional run. Even though he got all the required weigh ins after cutting weight, and required practices. New prairie tried all they could to let a kid wrestle but penn basically said nah. So is he currently at New Prairie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyHardcastle Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Thor said: So is he currently at New Prairie? Per his Instagram bio, yes he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyho Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Same topic but not about same kid ...how many Illinois wrestlers will leave there current Indiana hs and go back to there Illinois school to compete since they start wrestling up I believe in April ... that will be proof that certain schools are recruiting .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, tommyho said: Same topic but not about same kid ...how many Illinois wrestlers will leave there current Indiana hs and go back to there Illinois school to compete since they start wrestling up I believe in April ... that will be proof that certain schools are recruiting .. Will it be? Who is to say these kids or their parents didn’t seek out the schools themselves because they weren’t able to wrestle in Illinois? tangarrray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyho Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 So then did they actually physically move as a family including every sibling ? Cause if not the ihsaa should have not allowed it , just saying .. jwilly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, tommyho said: Same topic but not about same kid ...how many Illinois wrestlers will leave there current Indiana hs and go back to there Illinois school to compete since they start wrestling up I believe in April ... that will be proof that certain schools are recruiting .. They are not having state in Illinois, so unless going through all that just to wrestle a bunch of matches with no reward, I don't see it. Edited February 1, 2021 by busstogate grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyho Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I heard they were but it wasn’t sponsored by ihsa .. starts April and state will be first week of June busstogate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 46 minutes ago, tommyho said: I heard they were but it wasn’t sponsored by ihsa .. starts April and state will be first week of June I hope so. I was only going by the IHSA grid of dates such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InjuredReserve Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I believe the school the athlete is leaving has 3options to “sign off”: unconditionally, conditionally, or not at all. Family has to bring it in front of the IHSAA from there. The only hearing I’ve been close to the ihsaa did not give varsity eligibility only JV for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Without knowing all the background and discussions.. Accepting transfers while at the same time denying a young man and his family from transferring away from your school seems very bush-league. You may hate it in the short term as a coach, but in the end you can never feel too bad letting a young man participate in a sport and your reputation will be better in the long run AdamsCoBuschhh, Jon H, jwilly and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaveMonster Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 10 hours ago, tommyho said: So then did they actually physically move as a family including every sibling ? Cause if not the ihsaa should have not allowed it , just saying .. if you call the family physically moving, the kid moving in with other wrestlers or in the basement of coaches, then yes it is completely legal and the IHSAA did good on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyho Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 9:50 PM, CaveMonster said: if you call the family physically moving, the kid moving in with other wrestlers or in the basement of coaches, then yes it is completely legal and the IHSAA did good on this one. I agree he shoulda been allowed , and penn hs shame on u , isn’t the sport about the kids ? At what point did we make it about coaches and schools feelings being hurt ? fanofwrestling, Xpwc, DLuther and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFanMD Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Send him to Evansville! IMrule and FortunatlyGreat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdcm Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) Classy kid... New Prairie's Carroll ruled ineligible to wrestle in state tournament after Penn contests transfer _ Sports _ lpheralddispatch.com.pdf Edited February 3, 2021 by andrewdcm TripleB, BrodyHardcastle, No One Famous and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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