fanofwrestling Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I am tired of the hypocrisy. Recently a very talented wrestler was declared ineligible to participate in the state wrestling tournament. This did not only deny a precious year to a high school kid, but also all of Indiana eager to see one of the nations finest improving his craft for all of Indiana’s enjoyment. The reason for this travesty was due to Penn finding a loophole in the Indiana by-laws and exploiting it. Why? No one knows for sure, but what is for sure is a great ambassador for the sport we love will not be showcased on Indiana’s grandest stage. So why is this hypocrisy? Penn has 4 wrestlers from out of state competing for them. A wrestler from Texas, Michigan, Illinois, and South Carolina all of a sudden transferred to Penn this year. Yet there has been no investigation, despite overwhelming evidence of recruiting. The reason for this is simple, most adults realize these kids only have a limited time in school and if they want to leave to a different school, they let them because it is in the best interest for the kid. This happens often in northern Indiana, I am sure also throughout the state and all over the country. In fact, many, many, wrestlers from various programs in northern Indiana have transferred to join Penn. Penn accepts them wholeheartedly. No one fought the transfer because why punish the kid. However, when Penn loses a kid the first thing they do is block the kid. Blatant Hypocrisy. DLuther, navy80, andrewdcm and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Heck with that RTC in town I'd expect this to happen more often. Maybe they just don't want the extra competition in conference now that Mishawaka is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, fanofwrestling said: I am tired of the hypocrisy. Recently a very talented wrestler was declared ineligible to participate in the state wrestling tournament. This did not only deny a precious year to a high school kid, but also all of Indiana eager to see one of the nations finest improving his craft for all of Indiana’s enjoyment. The reason for this travesty was due to Penn finding a loophole in the Indiana by-laws and exploiting it. Why? No one knows for sure, but what is for sure is a great ambassador for the sport we love will not be showcased on Indiana’s grandest stage. So why is this hypocrisy? Penn has 4 wrestlers from out of state competing for them. A wrestler from Texas, Michigan, Illinois, and South Carolina all of a sudden transferred to Penn this year. Yet there has been no investigation, despite overwhelming evidence of recruiting. The reason for this is simple, most adults realize these kids only have a limited time in school and if they want to leave to a different school, they let them because it is in the best interest for the kid. This happens often in northern Indiana, I am sure also throughout the state and all over the country. In fact, many, many, wrestlers from various programs in northern Indiana have transferred to join Penn. Penn accepts them wholeheartedly. No one fought the transfer because why punish the kid. However, when Penn loses a kid the first thing they do is block the kid. Blatant Hypocrisy. Who Are the Many , Many from Northern Indiana that have transferred to Penn ? I can think of 2 in the last ten years . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJimmy Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I’m here for all of it..or until it gets nuked, whichever comes first! Bring it, can’t wait! Penn04, The Zebra, formercollegekid and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It’s a legitimate concern for a school (any school) to recruit and displace a student that has come up through the area and program. Maybe a little leeway with the COVID restrictions in other states. I don’t know what you are referring to specifically, but if a school is accepting transfers and also calling out another school, then that is an issue. Not sure if that is what you were claiming nkraus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Jam said: Heck with that RTC in town I'd expect this to happen more often. Maybe they just don't want the extra competition in conference now that Mishawaka is gone. I don’t know the whole situation, but if having an RTC in town was all it took, don’t you think there’d be more RTCS in Northern Indiana? Again, I have no dog in the fight, but that argument simply doesn’t work. The Zebra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanderson Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It is kind of crazy, im pretty sure penn got 2/3 out of state transfers in this year, but when a kid wants to leave there and go elsewhere there is an issue? something doesn’t make sense in this whole situation on penn’s part. i guess its okay to recruit until one of your kids leave & then you have to ruin his season... i have no idea how blocking a kid from wrestling can make them feel good in any type of way. DLuther and tommyho 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFreeze Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 It is strange that a school would actively recruit wrestlers from out of state and then deny or protest another wrestler wanting to leave their program. Let the kids wrestle. DLuther 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Duncan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, fanofwrestling said: I am tired of the hypocrisy. Recently a very talented wrestler was declared ineligible to participate in the state wrestling tournament. This did not only deny a precious year to a high school kid, but also all of Indiana eager to see one of the nations finest improving his craft for all of Indiana’s enjoyment. The reason for this travesty was due to Penn finding a loophole in the Indiana by-laws and exploiting it. Why? No one knows for sure, but what is for sure is a great ambassador for the sport we love will not be showcased on Indiana’s grandest stage. So why is this hypocrisy? Penn has 4 wrestlers from out of state competing for them. A wrestler from Texas, Michigan, Illinois, and South Carolina all of a sudden transferred to Penn this year. Yet there has been no investigation, despite overwhelming evidence of recruiting. The reason for this is simple, most adults realize these kids only have a limited time in school and if they want to leave to a different school, they let them because it is in the best interest for the kid. This happens often in northern Indiana, I am sure also throughout the state and all over the country. In fact, many, many, wrestlers from various programs in northern Indiana have transferred to join Penn. Penn accepts them wholeheartedly. No one fought the transfer because why punish the kid. However, when Penn loses a kid the first thing they do is block the kid. Blatant Hypocrisy. Welcome to the several schools. A winning at all cost approach to boost coaching egos. Edited January 31, 2021 by Coach Duncan Clint Gard, buttler73, AdamsCoBuschhh and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 8 hours ago, nkraus said: I don’t know the whole situation, but if having an RTC in town was all it took, don’t you think there’d be more RTCS in Northern Indiana? Again, I have no dog in the fight, but that argument simply doesn’t work. He certainly didn't transfer for a better opportunity because he'd wrestle anywhere. I don't know why he transferred but his personal coach runs a RTC in an old radio shack ten minutes from his new school. Whereas it was a 40 minute drive from his old school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 39 minutes ago, Jam said: He certainly didn't transfer for a better opportunity because he'd wrestle anywhere. I don't know why he transferred but his personal coach runs a RTC in an old radio shack ten minutes from his new school. Whereas it was a 40 minute drive from his old school. So it sounds like the kid moved to the new district. If a family moves it seems hard to justify the kid not being able to compete. IU89 and formercollegekid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jam Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, nkraus said: So it sounds like the kid moved to the new district. If a family moves it seems hard to justify the kid not being able to compete. I should also mention that 9 years ago a student transferred from this same school to Penn and did not have his transfer blocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkBit Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) ? Edited February 1, 2021 by SharkBit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 No one seemed to care about the kids that got "Put aside" in 08,09,10 when a local school received at least 6 very high level transfers .Were talking about multiple state champs and placers. I just wonder how many Sectional points these wrestlers scored in their 1st and second year move in ? Let the popcorn eating continue Penn04 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwise Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Penn04 and The Zebra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwise Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 The irony of the whole situation is the kid being kept from wrestling is the one that helped bring all these out-of-state kids to Penn! DLuther, andrewdcm, The Zebra and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualwrestlingfan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 This is why the IHSAA needs to award multiple state champions by class. You can still have your overall top 2, but recognize those smaller schools scoring decent points at the state finals. They don't have the luxury to play this game of accepting or losing transfers like the big boys. It's really ruining the single class aspect of the sport. Portage Fan, Mattyb and Cooper160 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slingerbailey Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 I can list hella schools that actively “recruit”. The IHSAA is a joke when it comes to enforcing what rules and expectations they set. Unfortunately it all falls on the AD. The biggest lesson wrestling has taught me is integrity, my wish is for everyone who loves and enjoys this sport can also learn the same thing. DLuther, The Zebra and formercollegekid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdcm Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 18 hours ago, fanofwrestling said: I am tired of the hypocrisy. Recently a very talented wrestler was declared ineligible to participate in the state wrestling tournament. This did not only deny a precious year to a high school kid, but also all of Indiana eager to see one of the nations finest improving his craft for all of Indiana’s enjoyment. The reason for this travesty was due to Penn finding a loophole in the Indiana by-laws and exploiting it. Why? No one knows for sure, but what is for sure is a great ambassador for the sport we love will not be showcased on Indiana’s grandest stage. So why is this hypocrisy? Penn has 4 wrestlers from out of state competing for them. A wrestler from Texas, Michigan, Illinois, and South Carolina all of a sudden transferred to Penn this year. Yet there has been no investigation, despite overwhelming evidence of recruiting. The reason for this is simple, most adults realize these kids only have a limited time in school and if they want to leave to a different school, they let them because it is in the best interest for the kid. This happens often in northern Indiana, I am sure also throughout the state and all over the country. In fact, many, many, wrestlers from various programs in northern Indiana have transferred to join Penn. Penn accepts them wholeheartedly. No one fought the transfer because why punish the kid. However, when Penn loses a kid the first thing they do is block the kid. Blatant Hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Who was blocked and from what school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 56 minutes ago, piscis1956 said: Who was blocked and from what school? I assume this is Christian Carroll and Penn formercollegekid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xpwc Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Someone went to a lot of trouble preventing arguably the states best wrestler the opportunity to compete. Sounded like the kid was just looking for a better situation, with a coach that had more interest in helping him than following around a girl that graduated years ago and living off her success. formercollegekid, goalittlegreco, Thor and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwise Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Xpwc said: Someone went to a lot of trouble preventing arguably the states best wrestler the opportunity to compete. Sounded like the kid was just looking for a better situation, with a coach that had more interest in helping him than following around a girl that graduated years ago and living off her success. Penn hosted Regionals last year and the head coach was MIA pursuing the interest stated above Xpwc and formercollegekid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, Xpwc said: Someone went to a lot of trouble preventing arguably the states best wrestler the opportunity to compete. Sounded like the kid was just looking for a better situation, with a coach that had more interest in helping him than following around a girl that graduated years ago and living off her success. Jimtown 138, AdamsCoBuschhh and formercollegekid 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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