Paycheck141 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I’m having a hard time finding the team scoring for sectional advancement byes, forfeits, 1st 2nd 3rd 4th place points extra points for pins? any help is appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosstownrivals Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1-16 2-12 3-9 4-6 FF-2pts pins-2 tech 1.5 Md 1 byes- must win following round to get advancement points advancement points 2 per round in winners Advancement in conso 1 per round Paycheck141 and The Zebra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie78 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 5th - 5? 6th - 3? I think I read earlier, books are at school Edited January 28, 2021 by rookie78 Paycheck141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paycheck141 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, crosstownrivals said: 1-16 2-12 3-9 4-6 FF-2pts pins-2 tech 1.5 Md 1 byes- must win following round to get advancement points advancement points 2 per round in winners Advancement in conso 1 per round Much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) In a sectional with 8 or less teams they use a 8 man bracket. Here are 2 sectionals with less than 8 teams, both have 7 teams entered. For those sectionals with 7 teams their would be one bye per weight. Here is how it is scored. A bye is worth 2 points only if the wrestler wins his next match. A forfeit, pin, injury default, or disqualification is worth 2 bonus points. A tech fall is worth 1.5 bonus points. A major decision is worth 1 bonus point. A decision does not earn a bonus point. Each time you win in the championship part of the bracket you get 2 advancement points. Each time you win in the consolation part of the bracket you get 1 advancement point. There is no advancement point awarded for winning a placement match. Placement points 16 = champion 12 = 2nd place 9 = 3rd place 7 = 4th place 5 = 5th place 3 = 6th place Placement points are awarded as you go, not all together at the end of the placement matches. For example in the championship match both wrestlers will have already received 12 placement points for placing at least 2nd. The winner will receive 4 more placement points and any bonus points they might earn. In a sectional with 9 or more teams no points are scored in the first round. If you have a bye in the first round you will not get any points for winning your 2nd round match. This is the only difference between a 8 man or 16 man bracket. Edited January 28, 2021 by chambers formercollegekid and Paycheck141 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paycheck141 Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 This may be a stupid question but if someone gets a bye and then a fft does that count as winning your next match or does it have to be against a real opponent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackgopher Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Paycheck141 said: This may be a stupid question but if someone gets a bye and then a fft does that count as winning your next match or does it have to be against a real opponent? Not stupid. Yes, if you have a bye and then a FF, then technically your next match was completed and you won, thus giving you the 2 advancement points. Paycheck141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Paycheck141 said: This may be a stupid question but if someone gets a bye and then a fft does that count as winning your next match or does it have to be against a real opponent? Indiana is one of the few states that count forfeits in an individual bracketed tournament. Most states just put in byes instead of forfeits. The byes only get you 2 points IF you win your NEXT match. The forfeits get a team 4 points(2 points advancement + 2 forfeit/pin). Note the rat tail or 16 man round does not count for anything. Scoring starts at the quarter-finals at sectional, thus forfeits, pins, major decisions, AND byes don't count. Paycheck141 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcjcjc Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Another wrinkle for this year: teams that have sadly and unfortunately been removed from brackets will become byes because they have 0 entries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: Note the rat tail or 16 man round does not count for anything. Scoring starts at the quarter-finals at sectional, thus forfeits, pins, major decisions, AND byes don't count. I always thought this was an unfortunate rule and should be re-thought. I guess there's two perspectives. The rule was derived as some coaches thought the team that had a wrestler in the rat-tail round had a small advantage of gaining bonus points(pin, tech or major) and an advancement point. Of course only happens if they win the rat tail match. But the other perspective is getting placed in the rat tail round sucks, the wrestler faces the dilemma of a one and done day if he loses and cant score any points for his team under a loss, which I consider a big disadvantage. So IMO, if a wrestler gets the bad draw and gets stuck in the rat tail, he should also receive the team scoring benefits of winning the match and be scored instead of ignoring this for team purposes. Its like a double whammy, you get a bad draw and your match doesnt count if you win. Of course this silly rule was the impetus for the silly rule of not scoring the first round at semi-state and state in prior years as we had to be consistent in our dislogic over the whole tournament. Gratefully, that most silly rule was corrected at the semi-state and state level two years ago. AJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said: I always thought this was an unfortunate rule and should be re-thought. I guess there's two perspectives. The rule was derived as some coaches thought the team that had a wrestler in the rat-tail round had a small advantage of gaining bonus points(pin, tech or major) and an advancement point. Of course only happens if they win the rat tail match. But the other perspective is getting placed in the rat tail round sucks, the wrestler faces the dilemma of a one and done day if he loses and cant score any points for his team under a loss, which I consider a big disadvantage. So IMO, if a wrestler gets the bad draw and gets stuck in the rat tail, he should also receive the team scoring benefits of winning the match and be scored instead of ignoring this for team purposes. Its like a double whammy, you get a bad draw and your match doesnt count if you win. Of course this silly rule was the impetus for the silly rule of not scoring the first round at semi-state and state in prior years as we had to be consistent in our dislogic over the whole tournament. Gratefully, that most silly rule was corrected at the semi-state and state level two years ago. It was done in the era of the blind rat-tail draw. This meant by "luck" teams got more matches and likely were pins and an easy 4 points. Now that we draw in those rat-tails into the pseudo 7 and 8 seeds this isn't as much of a factor because the teams battling it out for a sectional title rarely have kids in that spot. Wrestling Scholar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 35 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: It was done in the era of the blind rat-tail draw. This meant by "luck" teams got more matches and likely were pins and an easy 4 points. Now that we draw in those rat-tails into the pseudo 7 and 8 seeds this isn't as much of a factor because the teams battling it out for a sectional title rarely have kids in that spot. Joe, am I correct in saying that the blind draws should go into the 7th/8th place brackets? That would make perfect sense, and be great. However, doesn't appear to be the case, as you can see at 145 at the Oak Hill sectional. A sophomore with a 1-14 record draws a first round bye, while a 4-4 senior draws into a rat-tail match and will likely be sent home. I hate to see it - would like those non-seeded kids (especially seniors) to get a better chance to get to wrestlebacks and earn a trip to Regionals. In the same bracket, another young man has a rat-tail round against the 1st seed - so he will get no chance for wrestleback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, base said: Joe, am I correct in saying that the blind draws should go into the 7th/8th place brackets? That would make perfect sense, and be great. However, doesn't appear to be the case, as you can see at 145 at the Oak Hill sectional. A sophomore with a 1-14 record draws a first round bye, while a 4-4 senior draws into a rat-tail match and will likely be sent home. I hate to see it - would like those non-seeded kids (especially seniors) to get a better chance to get to wrestlebacks and earn a trip to Regionals. In the same bracket, another young man has a rat-tail round against the 1st seed - so he will get no chance for wrestleback You are correct Zeb Taylor should be on line #3 in that bracket. base 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Twin Lakes, Warren Central, Jeffersonville - all of them made the same mistake. The seeding TPS report must not have been routed very well (again)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCFIGHTER170 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 132 at Doah #1 seed (27-1)Thrine has no match till finals vs Presumably#2 seed 31-1 Centervilles Frazier who only has 1 match to make finals..I was wondering how this would effect the scoring.. Not really feeling the whole no match till the finals, that is one though first match of the day if Frazier takes care of business.. These could see each other up to 4 or 5x this year (already Wrestled this season) if they take care of business...32 is the most loaded Weight, Depth wise that I might've ever seen.. When the returning 8th placer Shelton is ranked 14 that is unreal! Regardless, good luck to everyone this weekend and have safe Healthy travels along the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: It was done in the era of the blind rat-tail draw. This meant by "luck" teams got more matches and likely were pins and an easy 4 points. Now that we draw in those rat-tails into the pseudo 7 and 8 seeds this isn't as much of a factor because the teams battling it out for a sectional title rarely have kids in that spot. Where is the rule located that says we draw in those rat-tails into the pseudo 7 and 8 seeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, chambers said: Where is the rule located that says we draw in those rat-tails into the pseudo 7 and 8 seeds? Not sure where it is, but we had a call with Faulkens two or three years ago that said this is now the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chambers Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 That is what I thought. I was aware of this change but the rules still say to do it by blind draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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