AJ Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Did Beeks start on the wrong whistle or did he just false start? There didnt seem to be a call made right away, and the Southern Wells coaches didnt seem to understand either when Hardcastle's hand was raised.... Lots of co fusion at the time... That was going to be one heck of a ticket round match.... BrodyHardcastle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyHardcastle Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, AJ said: Did Beeks start on the wrong whistle or did he just false start? There didnt seem to be a call made right away, and the Southern Wells coaches didnt seem to understand either when Hardcastle's hand was raised.... Lots of co fusion at the time... That was going to be one heck of a ticket round match.... He definitely jumped the whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Hardcastle’s leg sure did heal up quickly though..... congrats to him on winning semi state though. casualwrestlingfan, Raider94, BrodyHardcastle and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodJC82 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I am pretty sure he went off another whistle, that was my take. BrodyHardcastle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodyHardcastle Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, WoodJC82 said: I am pretty sure he went off another whistle, that was my take. I thought it was a rolling start from what I saw in the chair. Never saw a pause. I’ll watch the video again. Edited February 16, 2020 by bigballerb Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider94 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, AJ said: Did Beeks start on the wrong whistle or did he just false start? There didnt seem to be a call made right away, and the Southern Wells coaches didnt seem to understand either when Hardcastle's hand was raised.... Lots of co fusion at the time... That was going to be one heck of a ticket round match.... Beeks started on Mat 2’s whistle and got a caution for it. I saw it clearly while watching the Berne Witness live stream. I didn’t think it was a caution if you went on another mat’s whistle. 5_CrossFaced, HeadLocksWinChampionships, Cauliflower Ear and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HemiCuda Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I have re-watched on the witness & track multiple times and I am still not sure what happened. I hear a whistle & refs arm is in motion. How does a caution result in this outcome? Was something illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, HemiCuda said: I have re-watched on the witness & track multiple times and I am still not sure what happened. I hear a whistle & refs arm is in motion. How does a caution result in this outcome? Was something illegal? There was a rule change a few years ago where if a kid was injured on a false start and couldn't continue that they would win via injury default. It was a good rule change for instances where a false start causes an injury to an opponent. This situation is very interesting as it was a ticket round and the injured wrestler recovered enough to win semi-state. bog190, MatNinja, littlevito and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Y2CJ41 said: There was a rule change a few years ago where if a kid was injured on a false start and couldn't continue that they would win via injury default. It was a good rule change for instances where a false start causes an injury to an opponent. This situation is very interesting as it was a ticket round and the injured wrestler recovered enough to win semi-state. Miraculous almost Fritolay, Trev Young, MatNinja and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadLocksWinChampionships Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Now any penalty/caution is going to turn into a medical default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bear62 said: Now any penalty/caution is going to turn into a medical default. There were many cautions yesterday and only one injury default. nkraus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadLocksWinChampionships Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: There were many cautions yesterday and only one injury default. It only takes one to start something. I'm not saying this is what happened, but it could be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadLocksWinChampionships Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I guess I should have said could turn into a medical default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWwrestling Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 The rule was interpreted correctly by the officials. The question of it being a true false start is not so clear in the video. I will try and post video at some point. Just like many things in life it is when the rule or situation is abused. I have coached for many years and never have been put in the situation that the Oak Hill coaching staff was put into on Saturday. I believe in all my heart I know what I would have done in the situation. However the problem and the "unfortunate situation" that this rule caused was that Josh Beeks will never get the opportunity that he has earned by working hard and puttting himself in the best possible situation you can by entering the Semi-State tournament has a Regional champ, will never happen. 30 secs. into the match a "Caution" ended the kids career and his dream of being a State Qualifier. poppem215, nkraus, bog190 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silence Dogood Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Fast forward to 4:27:20 - mat 4. Two things to watch out for with the caution call - the ref on mat 4 moving his hand to start the action and the simultaneous whistle to start the action on mat 2. nkraus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Humble Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I appreciate all those comments made. I was at mat side. The referee signaled a false start, the Oak Hill wrestler was tended and their was discussion taking place between the head coach of Oak Hill and the referees along with one of those in charge refs. I am not being critical but what I would have liked to have seen would have been that the ref would have signaled the “false start” on him, given the appropriate “recovery time” and then let the match continue. That would eliminate some of the more negative effects. HeadLocksWinChampionships, SWwrestling, HemiCuda and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtothemat Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 This is a tough one. If he was temporarily injured enough to possibly get beat in that ticket round match then he should not have continued. Any other scenario other than that except defaulting to fourth would seem to have some sportsmanship/morality faults to it, in my opinion. Tough one. HeadLocksWinChampionships and Thor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWwrestling Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Beeks vs Hardcastle (4399268).zip Here is the video from mats side and you tell me what whistle Josh went on? There were all kinds of whistles on mat 2 and if you watch referees hand motion looks to be a clean start? HemiCuda, nkraus, HeadLocksWinChampionships and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manimal2001 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, SWwrestling said: The rule was interpreted correctly by the officials. The question of it being a true false start is not so clear in the video. I will try and post video at some point. Just like many things in life it is when the rule or situation is abused. I have coached for many years and never have been put in the situation that the Oak Hill coaching staff was put into on Saturday. I believe in all my heart I know what I would have done in the situation. However the problem and the "unfortunate situation" that this rule caused was that Josh Beeks will never get the opportunity that he has earned by working hard and puttting himself in the best possible situation you can by entering the Semi-State tournament has a Regional champ, will never happen. 30 secs. into the match a "Caution" ended the kids career and his dream of being a State Qualifier. You don’t think Hardcastle has dreams of becoming a star qualifier too? He worked hard to get to that point too. What if Beeks would have had his knee injured like what happened in that situation. And don’t be saying subtle comments about the coaching staff, I heard you yesterday talking crap about the coaching staff. Just low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU89 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 He went on the whistle, his disqualification is BS! nkraus, lemercad, littlevito and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manimal2001 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, IU89 said: He went on the whistle, his disqualification is BS! Edited February 16, 2020 by Manimal2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU89 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Manimal2001 said: No he didn’t I was watching 5-10 ft away Watch and listen! It’s clear! Or should I speak slower so you can keep up? lemercad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Manimal2001 said: You don’t think Hardcastle has dreams of becoming a star qualifier too? He worked hard to get to that point too. What if Beeks would have had his knee injured like what happened in that situation. And don’t be saying subtle comments about the coaching staff, I heard you yesterday talking crap about the coaching staff. Just low. What’s low is a kid being “injured” enough to get a default win to get the state, then show zero signs of injury on his way to a title. nkraus, HeadLocksWinChampionships, casualwrestlingfan and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X_R A T E D Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Manimal2001 said: You don’t think Hardcastle has dreams of becoming a star qualifier too? He worked hard to get to that point too. What if Beeks would have had his knee injured like what happened in that situation. And don’t be saying subtle comments about the coaching staff, I heard you yesterday talking crap about the coaching staff. Just low. Why didn’t you say something to him then, instead of doing it on the internet? Don’t be a internet tough guy to other people now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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