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47 minutes ago, Holden said:

Any chance someone from that sectional could contact Mr. Faulkens?  In my experience with him I do think he is a fair man and tries to make things right when something like this happens.  If the tournament director misunderstood, maybe there is a chance (small though it may be) it could be reseeded with it being early in the week.

Mr Faulkens personally attended the controversial 2017 Lafayette Jeff Sectional seeding meeting mentioned in this thread, and  I heard that from a credible source. Let that be a precedent to see how he would interpret.

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Shouldn't this topic be discussed by the IHSWCA to the IHSAA to explain the interpretation of "head to head". It's not right when someone that has no clue about the sport makes decisions on their interpretation.

 

Two teams can email the same question about a weight management topic and get two totally different answers. I've seen it. It's not right.

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So in theory, the #2 seed could be undefeated including have beaten the #1 seed.  But because the #1 seed has won more matches against the other sectional teams, they get the better seed?

 

As an earlier comment stated, every year there seems to be a different interpretation. Maybe a few examples could be added to the bylaws to clear up any ambiguity.

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53 minutes ago, base said:

So in theory, the #2 seed could be undefeated including have beaten the #1 seed.  But because the #1 seed has won more matches against the other sectional teams, they get the better seed?

 

As an earlier comment stated, every year there seems to be a different interpretation. Maybe a few examples could be added to the bylaws to clear up any ambiguity.

Yes, you are correct. The interpretation by RF is 100% wrong. All wrestling coaches know that. Well, except for the stubborn ones who want the number seed. There should be no confusion. If A beat B, and no other opponents beat either one, then A is a higher seed than B. It really is that simple.

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56 minutes ago, tefakes said:

Yes, you are correct. The interpretation by RF is 100% wrong. All wrestling coaches know that. Well, except for the stubborn ones who want the number seed. There should be no confusion. If A beat B, and no other opponents beat either one, then A is a higher seed than B. It really is that simple.

 

Ok, I do agree with this but what if B's mom is much hotter than A's mom but C has a 22 year old sister that is hotter than any of them?  It clearly states that coaches have to have an open mind and you have to account for all scenarios.  Whose mom or sister do you want to see at future tournaments????

 

In all seriousness, until coaches have an educated open conversation with the IHSAA, this complaint is going to continue to be brought up each year.

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Usually in any controversial decision, wrestling or otherwise, you can see the rationale even if it is outweighed by your contrary belief.  
 

But I can’t make heads or tails of this one. 
 

Anybody know the argument on why it is being done this way?

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a. Head to head competition current year; (The wrestler with the most head to head wins gets the seed. If they have beaten each other an equal number of times, then the winner of the last match gets the seed. Head to Page 79 of 84 head is counted at any level of interscholastic competition.  Matches against teammates are not counted for seeding purposes.)

 

Can anyone come up with a logical interpretation of the 2nd sentence in the parenthesis if you start with the IHSAA interpretation that says this clause is saying that you count the number of wins each person has against the field. Who is the "they" it is talking about? It seems like the only way to read that sentence and make sense of it is if you are trying to consider who should get the higher seed between 2 wrestlers who have wrestled each other head to head more than once . 

 

If there is no way to interpret that 2nd sentence after starting with the IHSAA interpretation, doesn't that mean the the IHSAA interpretation can't be correct? 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Silence Dogood said:

a. Head to head competition current year; (The wrestler with the most head to head wins gets the seed. If they have beaten each other an equal number of times, then the winner of the last match gets the seed. Head to Page 79 of 84 head is counted at any level of interscholastic competition.  Matches against teammates are not counted for seeding purposes.)

 

Can anyone come up with a logical interpretation of the 2nd sentence in the parenthesis if you start with the IHSAA interpretation that says this clause is saying that you count the number of wins each person has against the field. Who is the "they" it is talking about? It seems like the only way to read that sentence and make sense of it is if you are trying to consider who should get the higher seed between 2 wrestlers who have wrestled each other head to head more than once . 

 

If there is no way to interpret that 2nd sentence after starting with the IHSAA interpretation, doesn't that mean the the IHSAA interpretation can't be correct? 

 

 

I mean.....welllllll.....if the kid is that good..... he'll win and have more matches added on to his loss category.

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