4U2NV 57 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Mendez is clearly having an impact on which weight classes some of our top wrestlers are competing at. Going off of the wrestler’s credentials on latest IM state rankings 126 = 15 state placements and 5 state qualifiers 132 = 3 state placements and 10 state qualifiers 138 = 8 state placements and 5 state qualifiers Perseverance, Sig40, FCFIGHTER170 and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites
busstogate 147 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Not too many will be able to cut to avoid a problem from CP. They are too stacked. Link to post Share on other sites
gsmith58 125 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 27 minutes ago, busstogate said: Not too many will be able to cut to avoid a problem from CP. They are too stacked. While that might be true, there are problems and then there are PROBLEMS. Edited January 15 by gsmith58 Sig40 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Indysportsfan 334 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, gsmith58 said: While that might be true, there are problems and then there are PROBLEMS. Agreed. CP is good, but the only wrestler to avoid is Mr. Mendez. With that said they do have a handful of wrestlers that could bring home the title. Sig40 1 Link to post Share on other sites
MitchRobb 33 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) I’m guessing none of these young men seen Vision Quest Edited January 15 by MitchRobb Rugger44, Faithcoach, bwoodjc89 and 1 other 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites
MattM 1,048 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, MitchRobb said: I’m guessing none of these young men seen the Vision Quest MitchRobb, Sig40, coach_worden and 3 others 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
IndianaWrestlingGuy 186 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, 4U2NV said: Mendez is clearly having an impact on which weight classes some of our top wrestlers are competing at. Going off of the wrestler’s credentials on latest IM state rankings 126 = 15 state placements and 5 state qualifiers 132 = 3 state placements and 10 state qualifiers 138 = 8 state placements and 5 state qualifiers I would argue it is the Littell effect. If he’s healthy, 126 and 132 are equally top heavy and nowhere to hide. Link to post Share on other sites
4U2NV 57 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 54 minutes ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: I would argue it is the Littell effect. If he’s healthy, 126 and 132 are equally top heavy and nowhere to hide. Littell is a great talent but he is no Mendez. 126 would just be more lopsided. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattyb 1,689 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 At 126 Rioux has been pretty darn good. He’s going to be hard to beat. Just saying pritchem, FCFIGHTER170 and DCHawks 3 Link to post Share on other sites
FCFIGHTER170 1,045 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) I thought for sure we would have 2 nationally ranked 195ers with Silas vs Bates potential showdown then the new rankings broke my heart! Like it ws stated before in this thread..there's problems then there's Silas Allred problems... there could be an Allred effect as well.. Edited January 16 by FCFIGHTER170 Perseverance, Sig40 and sstark 3 Link to post Share on other sites
SWINfan 919 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: I would argue it is the Littell effect. If he’s healthy, 126 and 132 are equally top heavy and nowhere to hide. What's up with Littell this year? Injury? I hadn't heard anything... Link to post Share on other sites
FCFIGHTER170 1,045 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 minutes ago, SWINfan said: What's up with Littell this year? Injury? I hadn't heard anything... Hurt his knee iirc Link to post Share on other sites
FCFIGHTER170 1,045 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, MitchRobb said: I’m guessing none of these young men seen Vision Quest Mendez gives Shute and Freddy Kruger nightmares! 4U2NV, The Zebra, Sig40 and 1 other 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites
GenHeavyHandz 98 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Mendez is impressive. He’s still a kid and still human. I’d like to believe he will be challenged before he graduates. All the greats were tested at some point. Hopefully it will be a Panther. The Zebra 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ontherise219 1,219 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 49 minutes ago, GenHeavyHandz said: Mendez is impressive. He’s still a kid and still human. I’d like to believe he will be challenged before he graduates. All the greats were tested at some point. Hopefully it will be a Panther. Mendez did have a pretty impressive weight last year. I really believe Jesse is a kid who really loves to wrestle and would welcome any and all tough competition. Perseverance, The Zebra, Rugger44 and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites
FCFIGHTER170 1,045 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 50 minutes ago, GenHeavyHandz said: Mendez is impressive. He’s still a kid and still human. I’d like to believe he will be challenged before he graduates. All the greats were tested at some point. Hopefully it will be a Panther. I don't recall anybody testing Alex Tsirtsis and can't see anybody in Indiana within 10-15 pounds doing it to Mendez. XCard 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Thor 415 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, GenHeavyHandz said: Mendez is impressive. He’s still a kid and still human. I’d like to believe he will be challenged before he graduates. All the greats were tested at some point. Hopefully it will be a Panther. Unless Nic Bouzakis transfers to Cathedral, no one in state will touch him in his career. gsmith58, ontherise219, XCard and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites
4U2NV 57 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 14 minutes ago, Thor said: Unless Nic Bouzakis transfers to Cathedral, no one in state will touch him in his career. Sergio Lemley is not on the same level now but he has a very high ceiling and has been very impressive as of late. That’s asking a lot though considering he is completing in Illinois and the difference in weight. Could he be the next Louden Swain?? Link to post Share on other sites
GWCoach 22 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, FCFIGHTER170 said: I don't recall anybody testing Alex Tsirtsis and can't see anybody in Indiana within 10-15 pounds doing it to Mendez. Wes English as a soph chased Tsirtsis his senior year. 4 matches that got tighter as the state series went on. Tsirtsis was still a step ahead but they were still close compared to his other results. The Zebra and D Summar 2 Link to post Share on other sites
navy80 542 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Alex Tsirtsis had a close match with Craig Weinzapfel from Mater Dei. Craig actually beat him in freestyle in high school. Then in high school state finals... maybe it was the semi finals where Alex beat Craig by a few points. Angel Escobedo had a few close matches in his career and even one loss out of state. Jason Tsirtsis has a few close matches. Blake Maurer was the king of winning close matches. Same with Chad Red. Mason Paris’s was dominate but had one loss his freshman year. He is comparable. All the Lee has losses. I’ve followed Indiana high school wrestling since 1999 and haven’t seen anyone like Jesse Mendez. Paycheck141, logan_boe and Jayruss 3 Link to post Share on other sites
navy80 542 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, GWCoach said: Wes English as a soph chased Tsirtsis his senior year. 4 matches that got tighter as the state series went on. Tsirtsis was still a step ahead but they were still close compared to his other results. Tsirtsis beat English 10-5 senior state finals. English was a beast. The Zebra and Disco 2 Link to post Share on other sites
4U2NV 57 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 10 hours ago, FCFIGHTER170 said: I thought for sure we would have 2 nationally ranked 195ers with Silas vs Bates potential showdown then the new rankings broke my heart! Like it ws stated before in this thread..there's problems then there's Silas Allred problems... there could be an Allred effect as well.. FCFIGHTER170 brings up a good point. Let's see what the Mendez effect looks like vs the Alred effect: 126 = 15 state placements and 5 state qualifiers 132 = 3 state placements and 10 state qualifiers 138 = 8 state placements and 5 state qualifiers 182 = 8 state placers and 4 state qualifiers 195 = 2 state placers and 2 state qualifiers 220 = 4 state placers and 4 state qualifiers Perseverance 1 Link to post Share on other sites
piscis1956 127 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, navy80 said: Tsirtsis beat English 10-5 senior state finals. English was a beast. What was it, 5 takedowns vs 5 escapes? Link to post Share on other sites
navy80 542 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 13 minutes ago, piscis1956 said: What was it, 5 takedowns vs 5 escapes? I don’t remember this match that detailed. It very well could have been. Brown boys 1 Link to post Share on other sites
FCFIGHTER170 1,045 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 14 minutes ago, GWCoach said: Wes English as a soph chased Tsirtsis his senior year. 4 matches that got tighter as the state series went on. Tsirtsis was still a step ahead but they were still close compared to his other results. Coughlin beat him in FS as well.. but If I remember right most of English points were escapes.. i'm not sure if he took him down.. English ws an animal though and 1 of the most underrated guys cuz of the legends during that era.. Brown boys and D Summar 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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