decbell1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Date: 12/15/2019 Entity: IndianaMat Type: Dual Ranking Class: 3A 1. Brownsburg 2. Evansville Mater Dei View full team ranking piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFanMD Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 How is a 2-4 team ranked #8? AdamsCoBuschhh and ShawSki 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, PhillyFanMD said: How is a 2-4 team ranked #8? Because they lost to 1,2,4,5. Can't bump Avon out until someone lower than them beats them. IU89 and piscis1956 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy1 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 They definitely don’t lay out the match-ups when they do these or use comparison scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapdaddy Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 They've battled the best. See how others would compete against: Loss vs. Evansville Mater Dei 61-6Loss vs. Brownsburg 43-16Loss vs. Warren Central 48-21Loss vs. Indianapolis Cathedral 52-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: They definitely don’t lay out the match-ups when they do these or use comparison scoring. Based on state rankings Brownsburg is ahead in 8 weights. 106, 113, 126, 145, 152, 170, 195, 285 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: They definitely don’t lay out the match-ups when they do these or use comparison scoring. Wanna give us your example of comparison scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy1 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thor said: Wanna give us your example of comparison scoring? avon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy1 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 If Avon, EMD 1, CHS 2, BB or Warren 3, CP? I think Warren beats Brownsburg and CP. D Summar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CpDinger Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: If Avon, EMD 1, CHS 2, BB or Warren 3, CP? I think Warren beats Brownsburg and CP. Respectively no. Cp tremendously out ranks Warren in most of the weight classes and so does brownsburg. I mean Cp beat a nationally ranked team. The Zebra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy1 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 hours ago, CpDinger said: Respectively no. Cp tremendously out ranks Warren in most of the weight classes and so does brownsburg. I mean Cp beat a nationally ranked team. Since Cathedral won't see Crown Point this season in a dual, I will stir it up. I don't see Crown Point winning a match after 132 Mendez in a dual (similar to the Chesterton dual). I also don't see many quality points below 132 outside of Frazier at 113. And, Bettich vs. Seltzer is a toss-up. I'd even put Bettich as slight underdog. I would say Cruz vs Stewart (145) and Williams vs Urasky (152) might be toss-ups, so I gave you one of those two matches for good faith. I'm thinking 34-23 Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW Indiana Wrestling Fan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Since Cathedral won't see Crown Point this season in a dual, I will stir it up. I don't see Crown Point winning a match after 132 Mendez in a dual (similar to the Chesterton dual). I also don't see many quality points below 132 outside of Frazier at 113. And, Bettich vs. Seltzer is a toss-up. I'd even put Bettich as slight underdog. I would say Cruz vs Stewart (145) and Williams vs Urasky (152) might be toss-ups, so I gave you one of those two matches for good faith. I'm thinking 34-23 Irish. Crown Point actually was winning 2 matches after 132 but some our kids got caught in that dual... 152, 285. We also won at 160. You can think what you want right now. But the dogs, In my opinion, are unstoppable right now. Also a much better tournament team than dual team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy1 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, NW Indiana Wrestling Fan said: Crown Point actually was winning 2 matches after 132 but some our kids got caught in that dual... 152, 285. We also won at 160. You can think what you want right now. But the dogs, In my opinion, are unstoppable right now. Also a much better tournament team than dual team. Totally agree with you on tourney team. I would say they are the favorite going into the Al Smith. I think the easiest way to compare a dual is the victory over Chesterton (39-34). In that match, Crown Point had pins at 120, 138, and 160. In a Cathedral dual, I think CP could lose all 3 of those matches. That is a 27 point swing in those matches alone. Edited December 18, 2019 by IndianaWrestlingGuy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW Indiana Wrestling Fan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Totally agree with you on tourney team. I would say they are the favorite going into the Al Smith. I think the easiest way to compare a dual is the victory over Chesterton (39-34). In that match, Crown Point had pins at 120, 138, and 160. In a Cathedral dual, I think CP could lose all 3 of those matches. That is a 27 point swing in those matches alone. Very valid point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW Indiana Wrestling Fan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Totally agree with you on tourney team. I would say they are the favorite going into the Al Smith. I think the easiest way to compare a dual is the victory over Chesterton (39-34). In that match, Crown Point had pins at 120, 138, and 160. In a Cathedral dual, I think CP could lose all 3 of those matches. That is a 27 point swing in those matches alone. I do disagree on the “Warren beating Cp” though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosgrove Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Eh we will see scoring at the Carnahan this weekend with brownsburg and then following weekend at the Al Smith. Should be two great back to back weekends!! State tournament is ALSO a individual tournament. We have some DEEP runners there for that. Going to be a good year. 3 years from now we will be even better with our 6th grade coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 How the rankings should be presented as MD- very consistent team that is solid top to bottom with talent CP- excellent wrestlers, especially in the lower weights. Not sure how their upper weights compete but their lower weights make up for what they don't have up top. Brownsburg- solid up and down but the two teams I mentioned above have more talent in their lineup. For this reason they're ranked below MD. I feel like head to head against CP, CP would squeak by with a narrow victory thanks to the lower weights. Cathedral- sprinkled with talent but overall solid Sig40 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indysportsfan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Brownsburg vs CP (rankings) 106: #3 vs #1 113: #12 vs #10 120: #16 vs #2 126: #3 vs #11 132: unranked vs #1 138: #3 vs #4 145: unranked vs #11 152: #11 vs unranked 160: #5 vs #9 170: #8 vs unranked 182: unranked vs unranked 195: #9 vs unranked 220: #10 vs unranked 285: #1 vs unranked I have Brownsburg winning 8 matches, losing 5 and I am unsure about 182. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosgrove Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Indysportsfan said: Brownsburg vs CP (rankings) 106: #3 vs #1 113: #12 vs #10 120: #16 vs #2 126: #3 vs #11 132: unranked vs #1 138: #3 vs #4 145: unranked vs #11 152: #11 vs unranked 160: #5 vs #9 170: #8 vs unranked 182: unranked vs unranked 195: #9 vs unranked 220: #10 vs unranked 285: #1 vs unranked I have Brownsburg winning 8 matches, losing 5 and I am unsure about 182. Our 220 took carmel 220 into overtime and beat the Portage 220 who is now ranked. Hes learning how to wrestle would be fun. Favorite match would be 138. We will see that this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indysportsfan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Cosgrove said: Our 220 took carmel 220 into overtime and beat the Portage 220 who is now ranked. Hes learning how to wrestle would be fun. Favorite match would be 138. We will see that this weekend. Campbell has looked extremely impressive the times I have watched him (Ohio & Avon) - it is unfortunate most of us will not get a chance to see the CP wrestlers until Friday night of State. Just looking at results I know they have an incredible lineup, especially at the bottom. With that said I believe there are several teams that match up with them between 106-152. Clan Campbell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Dad Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 16 hours ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Totally agree with you on tourney team. I would say they are the favorite going into the Al Smith. I think the easiest way to compare a dual is the victory over Chesterton (39-34). In that match, Crown Point had pins at 120, 138, and 160. In a Cathedral dual, I think CP could lose all 3 of those matches. That is a 27 point swing in those matches alone. 27 or more IndianaWrestlingGuy1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig40 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) On 12/18/2019 at 6:02 AM, IndianaWrestlingGuy said: Since Cathedral won't see Crown Point this season in a dual, I will stir it up. I don't see Crown Point winning a match after 132 Mendez in a dual (similar to the Chesterton dual). I also don't see many quality points below 132 outside of Frazier at 113. And, Bettich vs. Seltzer is a toss-up. I'd even put Bettich as slight underdog. I would say Cruz vs Stewart (145) and Williams vs Urasky (152) might be toss-ups, so I gave you one of those two matches for good faith. I'm thinking 34-23 Irish. I ran some numbers for Crown Point in a dual setting vs Cathedral, Brownsburg, EMD, and Warren. Crown Point vs Cathedral 30-35 (1 match our way 33-32) Crown Point vs Brownsburg 30-34 Crown Point vs EMD 24-28 (1 match our way 27-25) Crown Point vs Warren 39-27 These numbers do not reflect why we are not at team state. I hear we may be moving our schedule around to make room for team state next year, just wasn't able to make it happen this year. If we were in it this year it probably would not go too well. I do believe that Crown Point can win state in a tournament setting. Edited December 23, 2019 by Sig40 backtothemat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leggin89 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 21 hours ago, Cosgrove said: Our 220 took carmel 220 into overtime and beat the Portage 220 who is now ranked. Hes learning how to wrestle would be fun. Favorite match would be 138. We will see that this weekend. The Portage 220 was not in the lineup when the teams wrestled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Pendoski Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 22 hours ago, Cosgrove said: Our 220 took carmel 220 into overtime Not sure about the OT part of this comment (and he was also wearing a football helmet in Lucas Oil 7 days earlier) Coach Moore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW Indiana Wrestling Fan Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Ed Pendoski said: Not sure about the OT part of this comment (and he was also wearing a football helmet in Lucas Oil 7 days earlier) It was OT. I was there for that dual, it’s also on track wrestling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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