TeamGarcia Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) Is there a debate ? HS Football soon to get it . HS Basketball has it ? When does HS Wrestling get it ? Every single match is video recorded anyways right. So many questionable calls every year. Who wants it ? Do we need it ? Benefits of it ? Pros & Cons ? “My Opinion” we need it . Use it only in State Series like they going to do in Football . Maybe a time limit . Everything else is timed anyways . This post has nothing to do what happen in the past, it’s over . What’s done is done . Move on . HS Wrestling needs to #Evolve . The Notorious Edited February 16, 2019 by TeamGarcia QuinnHarris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMrule Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Try it at state for a couple years with a time limit. If it works like we hope, move it to SS. nkraus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1prouddad Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 It’s a legit arguement. I say give each corner the “bricks” LionsFan and IMrule 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) Seeing how they have over done it in some college meets I’m am hesitant of having it, especially under the coaches control. Does it fix some mistakes yes, but it also seems to cause problems too with match delays and allowing the tired wrestlers a breather. I can maybe see it at the higher stakes events if the officials feel the call was close enough that a video replay would be helpful to judge a scoring situation. And even then limit it to a few views and if it’s not decisive the call stands so that the action can continue without. 10min break. However, I can see how automatically giving replay just because a coach throw a brick could become as much of a hinderance to the match in some cases as it could be a help. Edited February 16, 2019 by MattM TeamGarcia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamGarcia Posted February 16, 2019 Author Share Posted February 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, MattM said: Seeing how they have over done it in some college meets I’m am hesitant of having it, especially under the coaches control. Does it fix some mistakes yes, but it also seems to cause problems too with match delays and allowing the tired wrestlers a breather. I can maybe see it at the higher stakes events if the officials feel the call was close enough that a video replay would be helpful to judge a scoring situation. And even then limit it to a few views and if it’s not decisive the call stands so that the action can continue without. 10min break. However, I can see how automatically giving replay just because a coach throw a brick could become as much of a hinderance to the match in some cases as it could be a help. Has to be timed I think as mentioned above . Limit the reviews per Coach . 1 per match . In OT, Refs call if they choose . Refs do a great job at this level in State Series . Much respect to them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munges Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 If you throw the brick, your wrestler has to do jumping jacks during video review piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWINfan Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Slightly off topic, but related (in my mind anyway)...... In the current situation, how often does a call get changed when a coach steps out to question an official? 10%? 20%? Never? TeamGarcia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtothemat Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, MattM said: Seeing how they have over done it in some college meets I’m am hesitant of having it, especially under the coaches control. Does it fix some mistakes yes, but it also seems to cause problems too with match delays and allowing the tired wrestlers a breather. I can maybe see it at the higher stakes events if the officials feel the call was close enough that a video replay would be helpful to judge a scoring situation. And even then limit it to a few views and if it’s not decisive the call stands so that the action can continue without. 10min break. However, I can see how automatically giving replay just because a coach throw a brick could become as much of a hinderance to the match in some cases as it could be a help. Breathers happen all the time in wrestling. You don’t need replay to get them accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SWINfan said: Slightly off topic, but related (in my mind anyway)...... In the current situation, how often does a call get changed when a coach steps out to question an official? 10%? 20%? Never? When it’s one ref. Hardly never. When there is an assistant ref to check with. Sometimes. Edited February 16, 2019 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, backtothemat said: Breathers happen all the time in wrestling. You don’t need replay to get them accomplished. Nope, but we have enough of them as is that some wrestlers try to get away with in a match. We don’t need one more reason to try and get one. I think I’ve seen more matches have been decided by some convienent lung breaks and short term injuries than overturned called. Edited February 16, 2019 by MattM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderColfax Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, MattM said: When it’s one ref. Hardly never. When their is an assistant ref to check with. Sometimes. I believe that’s where it falls to the 10-20 percent. There are assistant refs that will give their opinion but the head ref keeps it the same because and I quote “this is their mat” which I totally understand but everyone makes mistakes and can’t see everything. I think one video replay per team per state. Not per match. Let’s see what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderColfax Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 The problem I have, and seen a lot this year. Take the Conley/Rodgers match, they were in a similar position for about 10 seconds, no change and 2 was awarded to Rodgers which ultimately won him the match. My question is, if they didn’t change position how wasn’t that neutral or 2 given when it happened. I think video replay would clear that up greatly LionsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 hours ago, 1prouddad said: It’s a legit arguement. I say give each corner the “bricks” At Flo they use a peanut butter pillow and a jelly pillow. Ben Askern got mad and threw his sandal. Classic 1prouddad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hook and half Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Add replay and you have a four day, super boring event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderColfax Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, hook and half said: Add replay and you have a four day, super boring event Not if you only give one per team, maybe even do it per round. But not per wrestler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 3 hours ago, RaiderColfax said: Not if you only give one per team, maybe even do it per round. But not per wrestler. Maybe one per team per round at TEAM state. But that proportion would make little sense at individual state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderColfax Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 1 hour ago, piscis1956 said: Maybe one per team per round at TEAM state. But that proportion would make little sense at individual state. Nah that would make it interesting! One per team per round! piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadLocksWinChampionships Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Or just don't leave it to the refs, you always have to account for human error! piscis1956 and 1prouddad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOF93 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 9:32 AM, RaiderColfax said: The problem I have, and seen a lot this year. Take the Conley/Rodgers match, they were in a similar position for about 10 seconds, no change and 2 was awarded to Rodgers which ultimately won him the match. My question is, if they didn’t change position how wasn’t that neutral or 2 given when it happened. I think video replay would clear that up greatly The TD call in that Conlley/Rodgers match, which I feel was obviously incorrect, not cost Conley the match and a state placing, it cost Avon the team championship. Take away all the team points that Rodgers accumulated and add points to Avon, you have a state championship in the home of the Orioles. RaiderColfax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderColfax Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 hours ago, HOF93 said: The TD call in that Conlley/Rodgers match, which I feel was obviously incorrect, not cost Conley the match and a state placing, it cost Avon the team championship. Take away all the team points that Rodgers accumulated and add points to Avon, you have a state championship in the home of the Orioles. This I understand. Without we will not know the true outcome of the OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkraus Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 8:16 AM, IMrule said: Try it at state for a couple years with a time limit. If it works like we hope, move it to SS. I like it. Time limit is super important to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBrother630 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 hours ago, HOF93 said: The TD call in that Conlley/Rodgers match, which I feel was obviously incorrect, not cost Conley the match and a state placing, it cost Avon the team championship. Take away all the team points that Rodgers accumulated and add points to Avon, you have a state championship in the home of the Orioles. If stalls were called correctly TD call wouldn’t even matter. Your point is invalid take 2nd place in stride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 9:22 AM, SWINfan said: Slightly off topic, but related (in my mind anyway)...... In the current situation, how often does a call get changed when a coach steps out to question an official? 10%? 20%? Never? Depends upon the coach...some coaches are at the table so much they might as well be running the clock. Others pick and choose their spots. Of course if you have magical powers such as myself you can just stand up and the ref will change his call before I even leave the corner. piscis1956 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 5 hours ago, HOF93 said: The TD call in that Conlley/Rodgers match, which I feel was obviously incorrect, not cost Conley the match and a state placing, it cost Avon the team championship. Take away all the team points that Rodgers accumulated and add points to Avon, you have a state championship in the home of the Orioles. There were literally thousands of calls throughout the weekend involving Avon and the other teams. Many of them went for Avon and many of them against I’m sure. And many of those that went Avon’s way may too have been thought of as incorrect by Avon’s opponents. And those calls may very well have had just as big of an influence on the final tournament scoring as the one to which you refer. To single out one single call as the one that decided the state championship is just a bit absurd. Hey, I get it. I get frustrated when I see calls that I think are “obviously incorrect”. And sometimes I too speculate what might have been. But there is a reason why we have disinterested (and trained in the rules) parties making calls in the matches, doing their best to make impartial and fair calls. And why us not-so-impartial participants and fans are not allowed to make the calls. horseofadifferentcolor, Swamp Dad, IMrule and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 2/16/2019 at 8:14 AM, TeamGarcia said: Is there a debate ? HS Football soon to get it . HS Basketball has it ? When does HS Wrestling get it ? Every single match is video recorded anyways right. So many questionable calls every year. Who wants it ? Do we need it ? Benefits of it ? Pros & Cons ? “My Opinion” we need it . Use it only in State Series like they going to do in Football . Maybe a time limit . Everything else is timed anyways . This post has nothing to do what happen in the past, it’s over . What’s done is done . Move on . HS Wrestling needs to #Evolve . The Notorious The obvious con of having instant replay would be the cost and logistical problems of doing this. To do this you this you would have to have an official videographer at the site, and this would include a official replay screen along with some type of uniform sanctioned software to replay the video. Also, you would have to have a trained replay official at the site. Note the cost of this as just added two more people to the expense of hosting a meet along with hardware costs. Note there would be additional training for referees, coaches and ADs. You're looking at significant costs to running an event. Note there is a shortage of referees and I think they're underpaid as it is. So add another element requiring more referees and more support people. Its not sustainable, especially when you apply a rule, it has to be uniform. Just imagine if you had to apply this to every HS event at every HS. You could never get that done. I suppose you could make it optional, where a few more affluent schools might be able to pull it off. But I don't think that would be good to have an optional rule of when to apply this. piscis1956 and TeamGarcia 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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