Mattyb Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, RaiderColfax said: Solidifies because of common opponents? Portage beat franklin community 49-21 and CE beat them 41-21. Cathedral was without Slivka last night, so that’s most likely a 12 point swing and the score is similar to the portage vs cathedral. Match ups are different for every team. Portage was also out two starters. Just a little insight Cathedral beat Avon 43-21 and Avon was missing Brewer and a solid 195 (josh Jones). Forfeited 106 and hwt too. Those spots will be filled with solid kids at team state. Cathedral beat Portage 46-18. With a full healthy line up, I really think my guys deserve the six seed. After seeing what I see in this thread, and last night. I would go with this: 1. Cathedral 2. EMD 3. Warren 4. Brownsburg 5. Perry 6. Avon 7. CE 8. Roncolli IU89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaWrestlingGuy1 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 35 minutes ago, dungbeetle14 said: Columbus east within 12 of Cathedral. I noticed East wbf at 160. Did Slivka get pinned? No. Johnny Parker up 16-3 gets cradled and pinned for 10 point swing late in 3rd. WarrenCentral-esque. Slivka was cramming for finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderColfax Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Mattyb said: Cathedral beat Avon 43-21 and Avon was missing Brewer and a solid 195 (josh Jones). Forfeited 106 and hwt too. Those spots will be filled with solid kids at team state. Cathedral beat Portage 46-18. With a full healthy line up, I really think my guys deserve the six seed. After seeing what I see in this thread, and last night. I would go with this: 1. Cathedral 2. EMD 3. Warren 4. Brownsburg 5. Perry 6. Avon 7. CE 8. Roncolli We shall see! Gonna be a fun one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indysportsfan Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I am sure they consider ‘what ifs’ but I assume actual YTD results play a larger role. I am positive we will see additions/subtractions for every team come January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dungbeetle14 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 On 12/22/2018 at 7:32 PM, Mattyb said: Cathedral beat Avon 43-21 and Avon was missing Brewer and a solid 195 (josh Jones). Forfeited 106 and hwt too. Those spots will be filled with solid kids at team state. Cathedral beat Portage 46-18. With a full healthy line up, I really think my guys deserve the six seed. After seeing what I see in this thread, and last night. I would go with this: 1. Cathedral 2. EMD 3. Warren 4. Brownsburg 5. Perry 6. Avon 7. CE 8. Roncolli 6th seed? Are you close enough to the program to name the replacement to the forfeits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 12/23/2018 at 3:11 PM, Indysportsfan said: I am sure they consider ‘what ifs’ but I assume actual YTD results play a larger role. I am positive we will see additions/subtractions for every team come January. It's definitely a question of "how good is each team TODAY" that determines seeding. Otherwise, loaded Cathedral teams, for instance, would typically be way underseeded because of perennial early-season football impact on strict results. It's because of their "today" philosophy that the committee has been so accurate every year. Mattyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indysportsfan Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 6 hours ago, maligned said: It's definitely a question of "how good is each team TODAY" that determines seeding. Otherwise, loaded Cathedral teams, for instance, would typically be way underseeded because of perennial early-season football impact on strict results. It's because of their "today" philosophy that the committee has been so accurate every year. Thanks for the insight. My ‘what if’ refers to a lineup that hasn’t been on the mat YTD, not a team that struggled early. A ‘what if’ lineup could have additions by injury, move-in, returning from suspension, WEIGHT CHANGE, etc... That is different, at least in my eyes, than a football powerhouse (Cathedral, Penn, Warren) getting kids back into their lineup in December. The football team scenario has results, at this point in the season, that illustrates their team ability; the ‘what if’ team is pure conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Indysportsfan said: Thanks for the insight. My ‘what if’ refers to a lineup that hasn’t been on the mat YTD, not a team that struggled early. A ‘what if’ lineup could have additions by injury, move-in, returning from suspension, WEIGHT CHANGE, etc... That is different, at least in my eyes, than a football powerhouse (Cathedral, Penn, Warren) getting kids back into their lineup in December. The football team scenario has results, at this point in the season, that illustrates their team ability; the ‘what if’ team is pure conjecture. I follow what you're saying and I agree. I know for sure, though, that they're largely going on what coaches are saying will be their up-to-date lineups--which may include additions or changes not seen yet this year. As I said, this is in an effort to be as accurate as possible and may or may not fully reflect season results that were skewed by non-current lineups. Mattyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dungbeetle14 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Indysportsfan said: Thanks for the insight. My ‘what if’ refers to a lineup that hasn’t been on the mat YTD, not a team that struggled early. A ‘what if’ lineup could have additions by injury, move-in, returning from suspension, WEIGHT CHANGE, etc... That is different, at least in my eyes, than a football powerhouse (Cathedral, Penn, Warren) getting kids back into their lineup in December. The football team scenario has results, at this point in the season, that illustrates their team ability; the ‘what if’ team is pure conjecture. Cathedral and Penn lost the first game of sectionals. Warren played Carmel on Thanksgiving weekend. Not sure Warren had any starters on the football team. I believe Carmel had 3 starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indysportsfan Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, dungbeetle14 said: Cathedral and Penn lost the first game of sectionals. Warren played Carmel on Thanksgiving weekend. Not sure Warren had any starters on the football team. I believe Carmel had 3 starters. It was a reference to the topic of football players coming back late, not necessary those 3 teams in 2018/2019. I could have typed FW Bishop Luers, Ben Davis, etc... Point was teams with missing wrestlers, because of football, typically have been wrestling for a few weeks so conjecture is not needed. FYI, Cathedral won 2 before losing to DC in the Sectional Championship and Penn was 1-1 in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I wonder if the team state seeding meeting gets as animated and intense as the team state "Committee of Power" selection meeting? Somebody will have to leak some footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indysportsfan Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Current State or Semi-State (SS) ranking per weight class: 106 - Perry Meridian #1, Carmel #4, EMD #7, Warren Central #10, Brownsburg #11, Roncalli #14, Portage ss# 8, Cathedral ss#8, Col East ss#8 113 - Portage #1, Cathedral #2, Warren Central #3, EMD #4, Brownsburg #10, Northridge #16 120 - EMD #2, Roncalli #4, Brownsburg #7, Penn #9, Warren Central #10, Avon #13, Portage #15, Northridge ss#2 126 - Avon #4, Portage #5, Cathedral #6, EMD #7, Brownsburg #9, Warren Central #10, Roncalli #14, Col East ss#4 132 - Avon #1, Roncalli #2, Cathedral #3, Brownsburg #8, Portage #9, EMD #10, Carmel #14, Warren Central ss#5, Penn ss#5 138 - Col East #1, Brownsburg #3, Roncalli #6, Cathedral #8, Avon #11, Perry Meridian #12, EMD #13, Warren Central #14, Penn ss#8 145 - EMD #1, Perry Meridian #3, Warren Central #4, Cathedral #5, Penn #12, Avon #13, Brownsburg ss#4 152 - Cathedral #1, Avon #3, Warren Central #4, Perry Meridian #6, Col East #7, EMD #8, Portage ss#4 160 - Portage #1, Cathedral #2, Brownsburg #8, EMD #9, Warren Central #11, Northridge ss#3, Perry Meridian ss#5 170 - Col East #1, Carmel #5, Roncalli #6, EMD #7, Perry Meridian #12, Brownsburg #15 182 - Avon #1, Carmel #10, Cathedral #14, Penn #15, EMD ss#8 195 - Penn #2, Carmel #15, Warren Central ss#7 220 - Brownsburg #3, Col East #4, Penn #7, Perry Meridian #16, Avon ss#3, Warren Central ss#6 285 - Col East #4, Penn #5, Brownsburg #6, Roncalli #7, Warren Central ss#4, Carmel ss#6 RANKINGS PER TEAM: Brownsburg: 10 State & 11 Semi-State EMD: 10 State & 10 Semi-State Warren Central: 8 State & 12 Semi-State Cathedral: 8 State & 8 Semi-State Avon: 7 State & 8 Semi-State Roncalli: 7 State & 7 Semi-State Penn: 6 State & 8 Semi-State Perry Meridian: 6 State & 7 Semi-State Columbus East: 5 State & 7 Semi-State Portage: 5 State & 7 Semi-State Carmel: 5 State & 4 Semi-State Northridge: 1 State & 2 Semi-State piscis1956, IU89 and hook and half 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dungbeetle14 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 6 hours ago, Indysportsfan said: Current State or Semi-State (SS) ranking per weight class: 106 - Perry Meridian #1, Carmel #4, EMD #7, Warren Central #10, Brownsburg #11, Roncalli #14, Portage ss# 8, Cathedral ss#8, Col East ss#8 113 - Portage #1, Cathedral #2, Warren Central #3, EMD #4, Brownsburg #10, Northridge #16 120 - EMD #2, Roncalli #4, Brownsburg #7, Penn #9, Warren Central #10, Avon #13, Portage #15, Northridge ss#2 126 - Avon #4, Portage #5, Cathedral #6, EMD #7, Brownsburg #9, Warren Central #10, Roncalli #14, Col East ss#4 132 - Avon #1, Roncalli #2, Cathedral #3, Brownsburg #8, Portage #9, EMD #10, Carmel #14, Warren Central ss#5, Penn ss#5 138 - Col East #1, Brownsburg #3, Roncalli #6, Cathedral #8, Avon #11, Perry Meridian #12, EMD #13, Warren Central #14, Penn ss#8 145 - EMD #1, Perry Meridian #3, Warren Central #4, Cathedral #5, Penn #12, Avon #13, Brownsburg ss#4 152 - Cathedral #1, Avon #3, Warren Central #4, Perry Meridian #6, Col East #7, EMD #8, Portage ss#4 160 - Portage #1, Cathedral #2, Brownsburg #8, EMD #9, Warren Central #11, Northridge ss#3, Perry Meridian ss#5 170 - Col East #1, Carmel #5, Roncalli #6, EMD #7, Perry Meridian #12, Brownsburg #15 182 - Avon #1, Carmel #10, Cathedral #14, Penn #15, EMD ss#8 195 - Penn #2, Carmel #15, Warren Central ss#7 220 - Brownsburg #3, Col East #4, Penn #7, Perry Meridian #16, Avon ss#3, Warren Central ss#6 285 - Col East #4, Penn #5, Brownsburg #6, Roncalli #7, Warren Central ss#4, Carmel ss#6 RANKINGS PER TEAM: Brownsburg: 10 State & 11 Semi-State EMD: 10 State & 10 Semi-State Warren Central: 8 State & 12 Semi-State Cathedral: 8 State & 8 Semi-State Avon: 7 State & 8 Semi-State Roncalli: 7 State & 7 Semi-State Penn: 6 State & 8 Semi-State Perry Meridian: 6 State & 7 Semi-State Columbus East: 5 State & 7 Semi-State Portage: 5 State & 7 Semi-State Carmel: 5 State & 4 Semi-State Northridge: 1 State & 2 Semi-State That's a great post. I think it would be perfect if we were talking about winning the individual state tourney in Feb. How much does this help us determine seeding for the duals tourney if we don't look at all 14 guys in a lineup? For example, if a team has #1 ranked guy in the state, but the next weigh is a forfeit (or guy with a 1-7 record), wouldn't that break even in the team score (and that's assuming the #1 ranked guy can get a fall). I do wonder how much the committee will pay attention to the team as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 19 hours ago, maligned said: It's definitely a question of "how good is each team TODAY" that determines seeding. Otherwise, loaded Cathedral teams, for instance, would typically be way underseeded because of perennial early-season football impact on strict results. It's because of their "today" philosophy that the committee has been so accurate every year. aww shucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, dungbeetle14 said: I do wonder how much the committee will pay attention to the team as a whole. Not much else to look at other than the team as a whole. We, as the committee, enjoy Team State the least of just about anyone in attendance. If the seeds hold, we did well. If there's an upset, we catch crap. The goal of the committee is simple: seed the teams so that they hold in the end, within the confines of already determined head-to-head criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 11:33 AM, bluemonster said: 1.) EMD 2.) Cathedral 3.) Warren Central 4.) Brownsburg 5.) Avon (if they have bodies in lineup) 6.) Carmel 7.) Perry Meridian 8.) Roncalli ——————————— 9.) Columbus East 10.) Portage 11.) Northridge 12.) Penn Don't think I would put Northridge in front of Penn , Judging by a common opponent . Penn - 48 Wawasee -16 Northridge - 32 Wawasee - 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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