maligned Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Below is the progress of teams accepting Team State bids for 2018-19. Once these lists are finalized, teams eligible for the two vote-in wildcards per class will receive paperwork to tell the voters more about incoming and JV talent and other positives about their team for next year. Voting will take place in April over the Coaches' Clinic weekend. Teams in bold have accepted. (Chesterton declined and are no longer listed.) Others here have not announced their decisions: 3A 2A 1A Avon Bellmont Adams Central Brownsburg Edgewood Attica Columbus East Jimtown Central Noble Indianapolis Cathedral Leo Eastern (Greentown) Mater Dei North Montgomery Eastside Northridge South Dearborn Frankton Penn Wawasee North Posey Perry Meridian West Vigo Prairie Heights Portage Western Shenandoah Roncalli Yorktown Wabash Edited March 5, 2018 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCFIGHTER170 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Pretty cool seeing Northridge getting a bid. Steven Sandefer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Will the new scheduling rules make it even harder for Cathedral to accept? Which tournament will they drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 So in 3A, 2 Region teams, 2 <Pound Sign>HendricksCountySmellsFunny teams, 3 Marion County teams, 2 southern Indiana teams, and Nortridge. The Ft.Wayne semi-state is very well represented in 2A! In total, I think 3 teams from southern Indiana and the rest north. I was a tad surprised there is only 1 southern team in 1A...I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, piscis1956 said: So in 3A, 2 Region teams, 2 <Pound Sign>HendricksCountySmellsFunny teams, 3 Marion County teams, 2 southern Indiana teams, and Nortridge. The Ft.Wayne semi-state is very well represented in 2A! In total, I think 3 teams from southern Indiana and the rest north. I was a tad surprised there is only 1 southern team in 1A...I think. If you look at the teams by class by semi-state these numbers shouldn't be too surprising. 3A 2A 1A New Castle 25 24 32 Fort Wayne 19 29 29 East Chicago 26 22 25 Evansville 31 29 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piscis1956 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 hours ago, piscis1956 said: So in 3A, 2 Region teams, 2 <Pound Sign>HendricksCountySmellsFunny teams, 3 Marion County teams, 2 southern Indiana teams, and Nortridge. The Ft.Wayne semi-state is very well represented in 2A! In total, I think 3 teams from southern Indiana and the rest north. I was a tad surprised there is only 1 southern team in 1A...I think. Ha ha. Somebody edited my post. I wonder who that could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Three more confirmed above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim64138 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Has the date been set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb Spires Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said: If you look at the teams by class by semi-state these numbers shouldn't be too surprising. 3A 2A 1A New Castle 25 24 32 Fort Wayne 19 29 29 East Chicago 26 22 25 Evansville 31 29 20 Are the same people that make fun of Ft. Wayne for being the weakest semi-state also the ones that think class wrestling is a stupid idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJimmy Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Yes. #GrowThePopulation!!!! I kid of course..I support the FWSS. backtothemat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 So three of the 30 teams are from the Jay County Regional but it is considered weak???? Isn't a 3 in the formula used? bell103 and Thor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 16 minutes ago, WadeDuPont said: So three of the 30 teams are from the Jay County Regional but it is considered weak???? Isn't a 3 in the formula used? Be ready for the response that it is top heavy therefore it is not really a hard regional to advance from... bell103 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, Caleb Spires said: Are the same people that make fun of Ft. Wayne for being the weakest semi-state also the ones that think class wrestling is a stupid idea? Fort Wayne has really been dominant in the smaller classes. Wawasee is the first team not from the FW Semi-state to win either class 1A or 2A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, WadeDuPont said: So three of the 30 teams are from the Jay County Regional but it is considered weak???? Isn't a 3 in the formula used? And I think Jay County was close to representing from 3A, and I think they may have a better team than Northridge next year. Southern Wells hopefully gets in with a vote in for 1A, they bring back four semi state kids and I think most of their starters from this past year. South Adams was also in team state this past year and Delta who is also a solid team. Definitely a tough regional. Still not sure how half a regional being solid makes it top heavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I would think most regionals are top heavy. I believe the Jay Regional is compared to Carroll by some and the disparity of I think the Carroll Regional a 5 in the formula and Jay a 3 is unfair. I think they are more even then people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, WadeDuPont said: I would think most regionals are top heavy. I believe the Jay Regional is compared to Carroll by some and the disparity of I think the Carroll Regional a 5 in the formula and Jay a 3 is unfair. I think they are more even then people think. Carroll was a 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said: Carroll was a 4 Thanks....I think the Jay should be as well. I don't keep the stats but it would be interesting to see state qualifies by regional over the last 5 to 10 years. Edited February 28, 2018 by WadeDuPont spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Thor said: And I think Jay County was close to representing from 3A, and I think they may have a better team than Northridge next year. Southern Wells hopefully gets in with a vote in for 1A, they bring back four semi state kids and I think most of their starters from this past year. South Adams was also in team state this past year and Delta who is also a solid team. Definitely a tough regional. Still not sure how half a regional being solid makes it top heavy I think you are probably correct. I think the formula is flawed...makes no sense a senior can score 8 points at Semi-State and an Under Class-man 9. If you are going to use Seniors the margin needs to be greater than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 From another thread: I answer this question each year. It's an important question, so I'm always happy to engage with at least a quick response. The Regional Categories are determined based on the "crowdedness" of each. We're trying to determine how difficult it is to qualify for semi-state--not how good the top end is. In the same way we can't say Yorktown should be ranked higher in duals than Garrett because they got more state qualifiers (Garrett beat Yorktown at team state), we can't say one regional is more crowded than another based on 9 or 17 of the 250 wrestlers that feed into that regional. In competition terms, a better way to determine how difficult it is to get through a regional would be to have 5 dual meets between the 4th through 8th best kids from each regional. The winner of most of those matches would give a much better answer than simply whose high-end state qualifier totals are more when the majority of those come from two schools ever year in Jay County's case. Statewide, since we've gone to the Category system the last 4 years, we've been incredibly accurate in getting almost all of the best teams from the following season into the event. In 3A, we always have 9 or 10 of the next year's year-end Top 10. In 2A, we get 8 to 10 and in 1A it's been 8 or 9. And even in 1A and 2A, where lineup turnover is so large, we've only missed a Top 5 team being at the event once every two years on average--and those teams were in the final vote, so the qualification scoring thought highly of them. All this to say: the scoring is working very well as a whole. It's not designed to pick IHSAA champions or to predict which regional has the most high-end talent. It's designed to find the best dual-meet teams for next year and nothing more. In math terms, below is how we arrived at the Category levels for the Jay County and Peru regionals: Team Genius Rating Expected Semi-State Qualifiers in an Average Regional for this team's Genius level (based on 5 years of data of all teams in the state) Yorktown 73.51 6.94 Bellmont 52.96 4.35 Adams Central 52.89 4.34 Jay County 49.43 3.97 Muncie Central 49.23 3.95 Delta 45.12 3.52 Southern Wells 38.78 2.91 South Adams 31.02 2.25 Norwell 30.37 2.20 Winchester Community 29.27 2.12 Monroe Central 24.77 1.80 Union City 19.07 1.45 Bluffton 14.04 1.17 Wes-Del 13.62 1.15 Daleville 12.28 1.09 Blackford 3.74 0.72 Cowan 1.99 0.66 Randolph Southern -11.74 0.29 Wapahani -33.02 0.06 Total 44.93 Per Weight 3.21 CATEGORY 3 Team Genius Rating Expected Semi-State Qualifiers in an Average Regional for this team's Genius level (based on 5 years of data of all teams in the state) Western 74.49 7.08 Oak Hill 70.55 6.51 Peru 60.65 5.24 Marion 53.46 4.41 Eastern (Greentown) 51.81 4.23 Maconaquah 48.42 3.86 Rochester Community 45.59 3.57 Cass 43.03 3.31 Wabash 40.69 3.08 Manchester 34.05 2.49 Kokomo 21.64 1.60 Northwestern 21.21 1.57 Madison Grant 19.96 1.50 Southwood 15.17 1.23 Mississinewa 12.62 1.10 Northfield 11.42 1.05 North Miami 6.53 0.83 Eastbrook 0.77 0.62 Caston -13.69 0.25 Taylor -21.39 0.15 Tri-Central -31.32 0.07 Total 53.75 Per Weight 3.84 CATEGORY 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 How is the Genius Rating calculated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, WadeDuPont said: I think you are probably correct. I think the formula is flawed...makes no sense a senior can score 8 points at Semi-State and an Under Class-man 9. If you are going to use Seniors the margin needs to be greater than one. Points for advancing to these levels in 3A, which you seem to be referring to: Semi-state first round: Underclassmen 14, Seniors 6 (+8) Semi-state second round: Underclassmen 20, Seniors 11 (+9) State: Underclassmen 23-25, Seniors 14 (+9-11) Seniors get some value because they're very predictive of a program's quality--but you can see those values are much less than an underclassman. What we're saying, essentially, in 3A, is that a team that produces a senior state qualifier (14 points) will on average replace him with an underclassmen semi-state first rounder (also 14 points). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, WadeDuPont said: How is the Genius Rating calculated? From another thread: Here are Genius Ratings for the full season of 2017-18 in Indiana. Remember that they use the same baseline mathematical system that is used by mainstream sports websites' "computer ratings" and by Las Vegas in determining point spreads. These ratings consider every dual and tournament in the IndianaMat database for the whole year, with the exception of some specific early-season results for teams that played football late. The difference in rating between two teams represents roughly the expected point spread if those two teams wrestled a dual. Multiply that same point spread by 3 to estimate the favored team's expected gap in a tournament. Y2 will post these as sortable by class soon. If you've paid attention to these ratings before, you may notice that the top 5 teams this season have very high ratings. All schools 3-5 are the highest-rated teams in those slots that we've seen in the 9 years of doing this. Also, Brownsburg's score is only .02 off of the highest score we've seen. Rank Team Name Rating SoS SoS Rank 1 Brownsburg 114.83 79.53 1 2 Perry Meridian 109.82 58.58 10 3 Evansville Mater Dei 107.66 61.12 6 4 Indianapolis Cathedral 105.66 56.31 16 5 Portage 105.16 66.92 2 6 Warren Central 94.38 50.57 32 7 Avon 90.26 63.86 3 8 Columbus East 90.20 62.39 4 9 Harrison (WL) 90.15 44.05 66 10 Crown Point 88.91 50.85 30 11 Chesterton 86.26 49.06 37 12 North Montgomery 84.50 43.24 68 13 Carmel 84.17 41.92 76 14 Merrillville 80.72 56.34 15 15 Penn 80.07 60.76 8 16 Zionsville 76.65 56.22 17 17 Castle 76.57 49.87 34 18 Roncalli 76.08 45.97 55 19 Wawasee 75.28 39.61 87 20 Northridge 75.15 37.11 117 21 Hamilton Southeastern 74.94 46.22 51 22 Western 74.49 39.20 91 23 Mishawaka 74.42 60.97 7 24 Yorktown 73.51 53.06 22 25 Prairie Heights 73.18 46.91 48 26 Carroll(Fort Wayne) 72.48 53.61 21 27 Hobart 71.62 44.89 62 28 Floyd Central 70.65 47.87 42 29 Oak Hill 70.55 28.46 217 30 Garrett 69.96 45.46 58 31 Center Grove 69.79 57.43 14 32 Pendleton Heights 69.62 45.90 56 33 LaPorte 68.40 51.62 26 34 Franklin Community 67.27 58.13 12 35 Jimtown 67.20 36.72 120 36 Westfield 66.76 52.16 24 37 Bloomington South 66.01 51.67 25 38 Edgewood 63.98 44.76 64 39 Lawrence North 63.32 58.28 11 40 Greenfield-Central 62.79 48.38 40 41 Central Noble 62.60 34.06 151 42 Knightstown 61.86 21.19 269 43 North Central 61.64 55.55 18 44 Jeffersonville 61.21 42.62 73 45 New Palestine 60.99 38.73 102 46 Peru 60.65 39.21 90 47 New Prairie 60.37 28.50 215 48 North Posey 60.24 40.40 84 49 Goshen 60.19 47.09 45 50 Attica 59.51 23.00 258 51 Mooresville 58.90 48.77 39 52 Fort Wayne Snider 58.77 31.80 182 53 Monrovia 58.57 28.15 219 54 Plymouth 58.16 37.42 111 55 Frankton 58.04 33.68 158 56 Lowell 57.77 47.44 44 57 Plainfield 57.69 46.60 50 58 Jennings County 57.29 37.38 113 59 McCutcheon 56.96 44.86 63 60 South Dearborn 56.43 32.79 169 61 East Central 56.02 43.22 69 62 Mount Vernon (Fortville) 55.23 42.38 75 63 Southridge 55.17 37.03 118 64 Milan 54.86 24.45 247 65 Leo 54.54 43.12 70 66 Hammond Gavit 53.92 16.71 292 67 Kankakee Valley 53.71 29.33 210 68 Marion 53.46 29.75 205 69 Huntington North 53.02 48.05 41 70 Bellmont 52.96 57.54 13 71 Adams Central 52.89 44.68 65 72 New Haven 52.80 45.09 61 73 Elkhart Central 52.03 51.40 28 74 Southmont 51.99 34.60 144 75 Lawrence Central 51.93 54.07 20 76 Eastern (Greentown) 51.81 28.31 218 77 Noblesville 51.22 42.64 72 78 Lafayette Jefferson 51.22 35.66 129 79 Ben Davis 51.19 59.74 9 80 Homestead 51.09 40.24 85 81 Anderson 50.98 31.39 186 82 Greencastle 50.42 30.72 193 83 Terre Haute South 50.29 35.48 134 84 Elkhart Memorial 49.74 51.00 29 85 Culver Academies 49.63 31.93 180 86 West Vigo 49.50 31.38 187 87 Jay County 49.43 30.64 194 88 Lawrenceburg 49.31 39.06 97 89 Muncie Central 49.23 34.21 147 90 Martinsville 48.94 48.94 38 91 Lake Central 48.77 61.19 5 92 Fort Wayne Bishop Dwenger 48.56 35.50 132 93 Maconaquah 48.42 32.22 174 94 Highland 48.33 36.43 124 95 Vincennes Lincoln 48.14 36.48 123 96 New Castle 47.37 33.84 155 97 Indian Creek 47.27 52.65 23 98 Southport 46.41 34.20 149 99 Centerville 46.24 22.92 259 100 Evansville Reitz 46.05 54.91 19 101 Gibson Southern 45.99 35.53 131 102 Churubusco 45.60 33.65 160 103 Rochester 45.59 32.22 173 104 Fishers 45.27 41.02 81 105 Concord 45.15 38.35 104 106 Delta 45.12 45.66 57 107 Boonville 44.24 25.37 239 108 Eastside 44.12 33.31 163 109 Greenwood 43.82 50.08 33 110 Pike Central 43.74 13.86 303 111 Whiteland 43.45 46.11 53 112 West Lafayette 43.29 29.86 202 113 Cass 43.03 26.93 229 114 Lakeland 42.23 38.73 103 115 Franklin County 41.97 33.46 161 116 New Albany 41.62 39.27 89 117 Seymour 41.35 37.77 109 118 Madison 40.94 20.00 277 119 Columbia City 40.86 41.72 77 120 Wabash 40.69 25.00 242 121 Calumet 40.42 46.08 54 122 Crawfordsville 40.37 27.57 222 123 Valparaiso 40.28 49.66 35 124 Decatur Central 40.10 34.63 143 125 Angola 39.92 36.15 126 126 Franklin Central 39.54 46.74 49 127 Fairhaven 39.28 33.15 164 128 Southern Wells 38.78 29.40 209 129 South Bend Riley 38.41 47.74 43 130 Rushville 38.24 33.10 165 131 Elwood 38.14 46.16 52 132 Evansville Memorial 37.94 40.87 82 133 Heritage Hills 37.84 31.85 181 134 Wheeler 37.26 29.81 204 135 Bloomington North 37.16 39.18 94 136 Shenandoah 36.39 34.44 146 137 Indianapolis Scecina 36.00 23.44 254 138 South Bend Washington 35.91 36.58 122 139 NorthWood 35.19 43.63 67 140 Pike 34.50 39.92 86 141 Manchester 34.05 30.53 195 142 Jasper 34.02 45.23 60 143 Rensselaer Central 33.35 24.84 245 144 North White 33.26 17.58 287 145 Eastern Hancock 32.93 30.47 198 146 East Noble 32.78 39.19 92 147 Mount Vernon (Posey) 32.44 27.13 226 148 Fairfield 31.96 39.19 93 149 Beech Grove 31.95 41.47 80 150 Twin Lakes 31.61 32.80 168 151 South Bend Adams 31.56 46.96 47 152 Lebanon 31.43 39.17 96 153 Evansville Central 31.02 41.59 79 154 South Adams 31.02 32.90 166 155 Triton Central 30.56 41.61 78 156 West Noble 30.46 35.30 137 157 Norwell 30.37 39.18 95 158 Indiana Deaf 29.56 10.36 313 159 Eastern (Pekin) 29.44 15.83 296 160 Winchester 29.27 31.74 183 161 Hamilton Heights 28.84 40.71 83 162 Triton 28.77 15.97 295 163 Columbus North 28.31 50.85 31 164 Benton Central 28.28 31.95 179 165 North Putnam 28.04 17.11 288 166 River Forest 27.77 30.33 200 167 South Vermillion 26.71 15.37 300 168 Lake Station Edison 26.13 37.96 108 169 Warsaw 25.69 45.43 59 170 LaVille 25.48 7.41 315 171 Danville 25.07 37.38 112 172 Monroe Central 24.77 19.64 280 173 Brown County 24.13 39.33 88 174 Tell City 23.47 29.82 203 175 Evansville North 22.88 35.32 136 176 Fort Wayne Concordia 22.83 35.09 139 177 Munster 22.62 51.53 27 178 Lapel 22.42 31.10 189 179 Kokomo 21.64 34.20 148 180 Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 21.56 34.59 145 181 Fort Wayne Northrop 21.41 35.76 127 182 Crawford County 21.33 -0.89 316 183 Rossville 21.31 20.98 273 184 Connersville 21.31 29.07 214 185 Northwestern 21.21 22.09 263 186 Michigan City 20.67 42.39 74 187 Logansport 20.41 38.84 99 188 Sheridan 20.25 21.34 268 189 West Central 20.14 24.96 244 190 Princeton 20.14 42.89 71 191 Boone Grove 20.10 18.75 282 192 Madison-Grant 19.96 31.61 184 193 Tipton 19.50 36.99 119 194 Shelbyville 19.26 35.50 133 195 Union City 19.07 21.15 271 196 Sullivan 18.90 21.01 272 197 Carroll (Flora) 18.90 23.30 255 198 Evansville Harrison 18.70 35.67 128 199 Fort Wayne South Side 18.33 30.77 192 200 Hammond 18.20 27.62 221 201 Terre Haute North 17.83 38.17 105 202 Richmond 17.32 33.97 152 203 Hagerstown 17.17 22.71 261 204 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers 16.75 24.09 249 205 Andrean 16.74 38.79 101 206 Alexandria 16.46 34.66 142 207 Griffith 15.92 46.98 46 208 DeKalb 15.39 38.00 107 209 Greensburg 15.22 35.15 138 210 Southwood 15.17 22.84 260 211 Winamac 14.82 24.19 248 212 Frankfort 14.74 34.89 141 213 Fountain Central 14.45 29.60 206 214 Owen Valley 14.13 23.65 252 215 Bluffton 14.04 26.30 234 216 Fort Wayne Wayne 13.68 37.15 116 217 Wes-Del 13.62 35.63 130 218 Cambridge City Lincoln 13.61 27.11 227 219 South Bend Clay 13.58 38.01 106 220 North Newton 13.46 25.87 236 221 Delphi 13.19 33.91 153 222 Clinton Prairie 12.87 16.69 293 223 Hanover Central 12.77 37.38 114 224 Mississinewa 12.62 36.63 121 225 Tippecanoe Valley 12.34 30.48 197 226 Daleville 12.28 24.53 246 227 Lafayette Central Catholic 11.99 25.56 238 228 Northview 11.49 38.82 100 229 Northfield 11.42 27.25 225 230 North Knox 11.38 21.82 265 231 South Putnam 11.30 33.74 156 232 Charlestown 10.54 32.22 175 233 Fremont 10.48 29.16 213 234 Bedford North Lawrence 10.41 29.46 208 235 Woodlan 10.24 32.88 167 236 Hammond Morton 9.95 30.93 190 237 Guerin Catholic 9.51 38.87 98 238 Seeger 9.25 18.73 283 239 Clinton Central 7.75 30.47 199 240 Knox 7.46 30.00 201 241 Tri-West 7.36 49.45 36 242 Faith Christian 7.34 8.79 314 243 Tri-Central 7.31 18.00 286 244 North Miami 6.53 32.79 170 245 Cloverdale 6.52 26.11 235 246 Cascade 5.58 33.85 154 247 Southwestern (Hanover) 5.26 23.01 257 248 Batesville 4.37 32.21 176 249 South Bend St. Joseph 4.21 33.71 157 250 John Glenn 3.85 23.85 251 251 South Spencer 3.84 36.24 125 252 Blackford 3.74 17.06 289 253 Indianapolis Lutheran 3.48 29.55 207 254 Rockville 3.37 11.42 310 255 Hebron 2.92 26.93 228 256 Tri 2.84 24.99 243 257 East Chicago Central 2.21 31.21 188 258 Howe School 2.03 35.03 140 259 Cowan 1.99 21.96 264 260 Scottsburg 1.59 16.45 294 261 North Harrison 1.19 27.50 223 262 Fort Wayne North Side 0.78 27.71 220 263 Eastbrook 0.77 26.70 231 264 South Newton 0.72 20.44 276 265 Hammond Clark 0.53 21.78 266 266 Indianapolis Arsenal Tech -0.23 30.88 191 267 Speedway -1.13 35.46 135 268 Western Boone -1.29 30.52 196 269 Tecumseh -1.30 18.85 281 270 Switzerland County -1.58 11.10 311 271 Union County -1.59 33.66 159 272 Westview -1.70 37.73 110 273 Northeastern -1.91 18.54 285 274 Whiting -2.63 26.59 232 275 North Judson -2.70 26.81 230 276 Hammond Bishop Noll -2.88 31.60 185 277 Indianapolis Arlington -2.98 16.91 290 278 Indianapolis Northwest -3.03 28.46 216 279 Frontier -3.37 23.64 253 280 Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter -4.31 27.37 224 281 Brebeuf Jesuit -4.68 32.42 171 282 Forest Park -4.76 24.04 250 283 New Washington -5.11 22.42 262 284 Paoli -5.13 29.24 211 285 North Vermillion -5.17 12.67 308 286 Whitko -5.47 33.37 162 287 Indianapolis Crispus Attucks -6.15 32.18 177 288 Indianapolis Marshall -6.15 32.18 178 289 Oldenburg Academy -6.90 25.66 237 290 Heritage -7.26 37.21 115 291 Providence -7.76 29.21 212 292 Indianapolis Manual -7.90 18.55 284 293 Randolph Southern -11.74 15.39 298 294 Culver Community -11.84 32.40 172 295 Evansville Bosse -11.91 21.19 270 296 Corydon Central -13.67 11.59 309 297 Caston -13.69 20.95 274 298 Mitchell -14.29 25.21 241 299 West Washington -14.79 19.93 279 300 Covington -14.92 16.88 291 301 Salem -16.30 10.49 312 302 Bremen -18.07 25.29 240 303 Indianapolis Broad Ripple -18.47 15.16 301 304 Taylor -21.39 26.39 233 305 Pioneer -22.90 14.87 302 306 Indianapolis Washington -23.74 12.78 306 307 Washington -24.77 20.76 275 308 Wood Memorial -24.92 12.68 307 309 Turkey Run -27.58 21.36 267 310 Providence Cristo Rey -28.13 15.37 299 311 Indianapolis Howe Community -29.36 15.61 297 312 Tri County -31.32 23.17 256 313 Wapahani -33.02 13.83 304 314 Blue River Valley -33.34 13.08 305 315 Gary West Side -33.43 34.08 150 316 Mishawaka Marian -48.10 19.98 278 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I know that this is a solid formula, and there has to be a way to calculate this, but I still don't see how a team like Marion has a higher genius rating than Bellmont. Peru has three teams with negative ratings, yet they somehow get a 4. And their top teams have a very high score, but I don't see why they are that high compared to a Bellmont or AC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WadeDuPont Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Weird that Yorktown the Delta Sectional Champion is almost 25 points higher than the Jay Sectional Champion - Jay County. When head to head its probably close to a 43-36 score with Yorktown winning. That's looking at head to head results and awarding a pin to a weight class the other team did not have a regional qualifier, and in most cases that weight class went on to semi state as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 (edited) Do this: 1. Take a given team you think is overrated or underrated in these ratings and add up their plus/minus from every single dual meet for the year. Then, add in their plus/minus for every single opponent faced in tournaments for the year (but only take 40% of that tournament final total because we only value individual tournament results that much). 2. Go to the ratings and add up the plus/minus between the ratings for every single team they faced for the season in the same way you did for the real scores in instruction #1. The results of these two calculations will be identical in every case for every team in the state. They are all perfectly slotted according to their real-life results for the whole season--not according to one or two cherry-picked results or theoretical results. If you want to argue that a particular team was missing some guys for 3 weeks or that certain teams' ratings are padded by weaker schedules or other things--there are certainly some cases like that, I'm sure. But the ratings reflect one thing and one thing only: full-season results for everyone with zero guesses or biases included in any way. Edited February 28, 2018 by maligned Wrestling Scholar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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