UncleJimmy Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 It takes a special person/quality to be an honorary #TheCounty member!!!!! I am honored to be of that quality and look forward to reopening #TheCountyTMZNorthBureau once given the ok from my #Boss #TeamGarcia!! Although I will be taking my talents over to the college board to try to stir some life into that section..so maybe there's room for southern representation for #TheCounty. To MattyB's point...sure looks like there are a lot fewer teams at the Pamulak duals in Iowa than there were 5 years ago. And definitely not a lot of IN representation at the CK USAW event for sure. Guess #SpringBreak in Iowa just doesn't appeal to the millenials. Mattyb, indianmorg and TeamGarcia 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOWrestler Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 And definitely not a lot of IN representation at the CK USAW event for sure. Guess #SpringBreak in Iowa just doesn't appeal to the millenials. But we are sending some quality kids. I'm taking a couple of guys over and looking forward to seeing how we stack up against some state champs from other states. The plus side of not too many IN guys is that we don't have to drive 6 hours to wrestle somebody we live an hour away from! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whoosier Daddy Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Each coach should have their Principal and athletic director write or call IHSAA and their State representative. 35 years ago they attempted to change and the IHSAA changed after poplar opinion expressed them selves. Still haven't seen the names on the committee. Maybe the Russians are responsible for this. Mattyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Wikileaks released this information Tyson Skinner Greg Ratliff Danny Struck Mark Line Matt Behling Leroy Vega Scott Van Der Aa Greg Schaefer Plus a couple other coaches Wrestling Scholar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julio Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I find it funny that the Duneland Conference has half their teams in 1 sectional, another has 2 teams, and Portage and Merrillville are in a sectional by themselves. indianmorg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leggin89 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I bet that 90% of the coaches involved in the re-alignment committee will not respond, they will just sit behind closed doors. I was not aware of any meeting or conversation that they had with our head coach to ask on suggestion or opinions. We had a conversation at the sectional seeding meeting about it. Don't know where you were. I find it funny that the Duneland Conference has half their teams in 1 sectional, another has 2 teams, and Portage and Merrillville are in a sectional by themselves. Can you explain why that is funny? We were in the Laporte Sectional until 4 years ago. At that point it was Chesterton, Laporte, Michigan City, and ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 The realignment that was recently decided upon was done so by the IHSAA. The committee that convened was formed to help provided suggestions for the realignment, but did not have the final say in the sectional alignment. The IHSAA seemed to follow the committee’s suggestions in some circumstances, and also their own direction at other times. The IHSAA runs the tournament and has the right and ability to set it up in any way that they choose. As a member who served on the committee I can tell you that the meeting was ran in a very cordial and professional manner. Each member took their job seriously, and worked toward producing an alignment that met the goals of both the IHSAA and the wrestling community. Any inference of collusion, cheating, or underhand dealings by those on the committee are completely nonfactual and have no basis in reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julio Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 It is funny because they could have easily put 2 Duneland schools in each sectional Merr and LC, CP and Valpo, Port and Chest, and then LaPorte and MC. Not very hard to do when realigning sectionals. Did you guys have the meeting before the sectional seeding meeting started? I was there during the seed meeting. Or maybe you had it after the seed meeting? The only talk I heard was from Jim, who stated that Calumet was not going to host the sectional or regional anymore. Why did Griffith and Hobart not state that they would be hosting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 The realignment that was recently decided upon was done so by the IHSAA. The committee that convened was formed to help provided suggestions for the realignment, but did not have the final say in the sectional alignment. The IHSAA seemed to follow the committee’s suggestions in some circumstances, and also their own direction at other times. The IHSAA runs the tournament and has the right and ability to set it up in any way that they choose. As a member who served on the committee I can tell you that the meeting was ran in a very cordial and professional manner. Each member took their job seriously, and worked toward producing an alignment that met the goals of both the IHSAA and the wrestling community. Any inference of collusion, cheating, or underhand dealings by those on the committee are completely nonfactual and have no basis in reality Then why is it so hard to post which coaches were part of the committee as well as the rationale behind their suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Then why is it so hard to post which coaches were part of the committee as well as the rationale behind their suggestions? 1. I do not have a list of all of the coaches who were there, it was an IHSAA committee not an IHSWCA. 2. We were specifically asked by commissioner Faulkens to not discuss the meeting. Edited March 31, 2017 by buscowrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskanMountie Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1. I do not have a list of all of the coaches who were there, it was an IHSAA committee not an IHSWCA. 2. We were specifically asked by commissioner Faulkens to not discuss the meeting. I appreciate your transparency. The fact that nobody knows the full roster of participants is troubling, to say the least. What is more troubling is that the IHSAA does not want to disclose who was there or what took place. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just looking for some rationale on why certain changes were made. The fact that you were instructed not to discuss the meeting creates suspicion, in my opinion. DrSugarBritches, Bruins2013 and swain358 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcorntr Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) We (Mt. Vernon) were assigned a new sectional 2 years ago on a whim. It was released the Thursday of the first week of the season. The reason given was ourselves and Tecumseh "in theory" drive past each other to attend our sectionals. Yes, you're right...it had been that way for 4 years...why the change then all of the sudden? Why, if that was a concern, was it not addressed in the original realignment? So if the logic for moving us was travel & mileage...how do they explain moves like Floyd Central? These changes are head-scratching. Why change us and Tecumseh 2 years ago AND make this change now? Why not make them all at once? The coaches at the Castle regional took a "straw poll" and it was a lopsided vote. We voted to KEEP the regional at Castle. But a big-wig in EVSC scratching the right backs in Indy got the Regional moved to one of "his" gyms. Why the lack of transparency? Why the secrecy? Unfortunately this problem will not change until the "administration" changes. I have never understood why a non-wrestling person is in-charge of wrestling? Edited April 3, 2017 by alcorntr AlaskanMountie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Each member took their job seriously, and worked toward producing an alignment that met the goals of both the IHSAA and the wrestling community. What were the goals of the IHSAA? What were the goals of the wrestling community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julio Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Why don't the committee members just come out and say who they are? They could shed some light on what was discussed with the IHSAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleJimmy Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 What were the goals of the IHSAA? What were the goals of the wrestling community? 1. They (IHSAA) aren't saying. 2. According to 'busco' they've been instructed not to say!!! LOL It's the Sargent Shultz approach to committee-ing..."I Know nothing!!!"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleB Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 BBB if its such a "tinfoil hat conspiracy" thing than why all the secrecy on some obvious head-scratcher moves? I get it, it seems people want something to blame and be mad about...welcome to the internet circa 2002...doesn't mean that people haven't posted valid concerns orquestions that in all honesty should be able to be easily answered. UncleJimmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Ratliff Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 If you have specific questions feel free to email me at gratliff@rbbschools.net I worked directly with the Bloomington South regional. I can speak on topics related to it. Greg Ratliff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENoblewrestling Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) Gentlemen, there are obviously a ton of questions about the meeting that the IHSAA held. Obviously the committee was asked to remain quiet about what took place during the meeting, and I have been attempting to shed some light, while still respecting the wishes of the IHSAA. There are obviously still some questions so I'll try to answer them without giving too much detail as to respect the IHSAA. Why the lack of transparency? This is impossible to answer without making a ton of inferences into why the IHSAA asked that of the committee. Your free to make those inferences, but I can't stress enough that this meeting was handled in a cordial, professional manner by well respected coaches representing the whole state, from schools of all sizes. Goals of the IHSAA and the wrestling community? Really they are the same, to create the most fair tournament given general geographic restrictions. Why won't the community members say who they are? I can't answer for anyone beside myself, but I can say that any hesitation that I had in responding is based on the fact that we were asked to not say anything about the meeting, and also the fact that there was nothing that was at all controversial about the meeting- any controversy on here is in the posters imagination. So speaking in generalizations here is what happened. Coaches with-in each semi-state looked at a map of the state, they discussed and drew up what they felt would be fair sectionals, regionals, and semi-states based largely upon geography and creating a "better" tournament. Better was not defined nesacarilly, but the general idea was to make the tournament more fair and equal. There was some instruction to try and toughen up some sectionals and weaken others to make things more fair. Then the group came together and went through each sectional and made suggestions that the entire group had to in some way agree with. In the end a map was made that contained changes the group felt met the criteria we worked with-in. I think it's also very important that you understand this point- the committee simply made suggestions, the final tournament draw was not exactally what the committee suggested in any way. There were things that were suggested that made the final draw, but a lot of the changes must have came from the IHSAA. So I just want to reiderate that the committee held a fair meeting to discuss possible changes to make the tournament better, and made suggestions to the IHSAA, and that is litterallly all that happened. I hope this puts some of your conspiracies/ fears/ questions to rest. Edited April 3, 2017 by buscowrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I don't have a dog in the fight I would be curious if there was a map that had all the sectional borders done and see if there is any weird overlap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I don't have a dog in the fight I would be curious if there was a map that had all the sectional borders done and see if there is any weird overlap You may need to ask the Russians for help..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Here are the four Semi States since google maps only allows a certain number of layers...I kinda did my own borders based on the schools East Chicago - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YnPPeTHV-ibwHKEmN9C0CMgbXoY&usp=sharing Fort Wayne - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PzP5Q_QCYBek5NuKH3H47x2O_Io&usp=sharing New Castle - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1po66XQp-Zj_tM-PefepnxyuuCt8&usp=sharing Evansville - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Cs3pGqHsBosEdpBNsxg5HKflvWA&usp=sharing Id recommend a computer to view as I am not sure how the mobile experience will be....you should be able to click on each sectional and the list of schools and my border should pop up Over all it looks pretty good with only a few head scratchers..... bog190, SWINfan, oldfat119 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swain358 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) After looking at that map you made (which is great by the way) I still can't understand why HSE and Fishers goes to the Frankfort sectional instead of Elwood. I am assuming their route to Frankfort for sectional and then to North Montgomery to Regional involves I69 and 465 (that is the fastest route for me going from Crawfordsville back home to Anderson) where they literally pass just about every school in the Lawrence Central sectional on their way. Edited April 3, 2017 by swain358 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Here are the four Semi States since google maps only allows a certain number of layers...I kinda did my own borders based on the schools East Chicago - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YnPPeTHV-ibwHKEmN9C0CMgbXoY&usp=sharing Fort Wayne - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PzP5Q_QCYBek5NuKH3H47x2O_Io&usp=sharing New Castle - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1po66XQp-Zj_tM-PefepnxyuuCt8&usp=sharing Evansville - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Cs3pGqHsBosEdpBNsxg5HKflvWA&usp=sharing Id recommend a computer to view as I am not sure how the mobile experience will be....you should be able to click on each sectional and the list of schools and my border should pop up Over all it looks pretty good with only a few head scratchers..... Is Fabio also the geography teacher at Brownsburg. He did a good job on the maps. Based on the Scholar's analysis, I see a lot less Gerrymandering than I thought. I don't see significant overlap. I wish our congressional districts were like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Nope lol just a programmer with a lot of free time and tools...and luckily joe has a database of every school, their sectionals, and address so it was an easy process only took about 90 min. MOWrestler, Justin Ratliff and DCHawks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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