Y2CJ41 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 "3A schools have 47% of the wrestlers still in the state tournament and average 8.25 regional qualifiers per team 2A schools have 25% of the wrestlers still in the state tournament and average 5.64 regional qualifiers per team 1A schools have 13% of the wrestlers still in the state tournament and average 3.75 regional qualifiers per" I am just asking but shouldn't this total up to 100%? Where does the other 15% go? Yes I'll correct it Should have been 3A 47% 2A 32% 1A 21% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RASSLER4LIFE Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Tri-Sectional team Scores: New Castle 244 Knightstown 193.5 Shenandoah 176 Centerville 152 Did the energetic small school coaches feel really deflated when they realized they were getting beat badly by New Castle, and when they new the results weren't going to be "Crazy"? Was it like a huge letdown? No we weren't deflated! We had the most champions and actually had the most in the finals! Yes we wanted to get more than 7 thru to regional but with 8 freshmen in the line up we realized it was an uphill battle to knock off the depth of the top dog, New Castle! We had to fft one weight class(medical issues) and we had 2 classes that we scored zero in, one of which weighed in and left prior to competition. Not a bad showing in a sectional that had 2 teams in the 1A team state(Knightstown & Centerville) and a bubble team Eastern Hancock. We finished above 2 of those teams in total points. So no it wasn't a huge letdown to say the least! Yes I'll correct it Should have been 3A 47% 2A 32% 1A 21% Thanks, I wasn't being smart just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyourbase Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Why are their opinions better than years of data? Why are their opinions better than people who have coached at small and big schools? State champions make up about .3%(yes there is a decimal in front of the 3) of the athletes ever to grace the mat in the state. Not sure that kind of sample size is really worth much. It's an interesting topic, and I was curious if any "weighed" in on it. Surely there are some in head coaching positions at a smaller schools. Wouldn't you think by much of the logic here that they would be pro-multiple individual class tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's an interesting topic, and I was curious if any "weighed" in on it. Surely there are some in head coaching positions at a smaller schools. Wouldn't you think by much of the logic here that they would be pro-multiple individual class tournament? I just gazed at the 1A coaches listed on the website and could only identify Courtney Duncan at Frankton as a former state champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlHungus Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I know I saw it 5ish years ago in football or basketball, but cannot recall the school. Indianapolis Scecina did it for football voluntarily. Others have been moved up due to the success factor. They are not that good right now, but not because of moving up. They are 2nd rank in 2a and 46th over all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PreparetoWin Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I used to be a one class supporter..I wrestled at a larger school and coached at a larger school. Now I coach at a 2A school. If you believe that a small rural school has the same advantages as a school in a highly populated area then you are either insane or have never spent time in a rural school. You can have a competitive group of kids, but its highly unlikely you will be competitive year in and year out. The funny thing about Hickory Hoosiers you never hear about is how did they do the year after all those kids graduated? How did they do the next 10 years? 1. Limited pool of kids to choose from 2. Limited access to open mats and other competitors. (our closest would be :30 hour- :45 minutes away) 3. Limited competition opportunities. 4. The best athletes in the school are pulled between 3 different sports. 5. Limited resources. 6. This is not a wealthy community, families cant spend hundreds of dollars to send kids to camps and trips. There are so many more disadvantages as compared to metro city schools. These not only affect the team aspect but they also affect the individuals. These are not excuses, these are facts. 2 years ago we win Regionals this season we send no one to Regionals. Coaching hasnt changed, size hasnt changed...the difference is a large group of seniors graduate and now we have to rebuild. If a kid quits on our team we have a ff, if a kid gets injured we have a ff. Other schools have 30+ kids that they reload with, small schools dont have that luxury. mockdad79, GWCoach, Honyock and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cauliflower Ear Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Yes I'll correct it Should have been 3A 47% 2A 32% 1A 21% It's easy to forget about the little schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Indianapolis Scecina did it for football voluntarily. Others have been moved up due to the success factor. They are 2nd rank in 2a and 46th over all. I haven't been paying enough attention. Thought they started slow this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 Back to the point of the post: How can we get a team tournament again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cauliflower Ear Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Back to the point of the post: How can we get a team tournament again? put Bobby Cox in a Jason Baker splatto until he says uncle & states wrestling is equal to basketball in this state....good luck Loki27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Changing the IHSAA's views are near impossible. All they care about is money, and could care less about the actual student-athlete. So therefore, we just need to make do with what we have going for us at the moment and keep improving the Team State through trial and error. The fact that we have a coaches association that is willing to put in the time and effort that it takes to put on such an event is something we have taken for granted, and instead want to point out flaws if it doesn't benefit our own team or ideas. You can't please everyone. Yes, every year there are going to be teams that should have been invited and teams that probably shouldn't have been there wrestling. We don't need the IHSAA to prove a Dual Team Champion, and the IHSAA doesn't need us nor care. Make the IHSWCA event a superbowl, get your school and ADs behind it. You can't expect overnight change, but we can constantly improve the state year by year. KarlHungus, allyourbase and Silence Dogood 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infowrestling Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Changing the IHSAA's views are near impossible. All they care about is money, and could care less about the actual student-athlete. So therefore, we just need to make do with what we have going for us at the moment and keep improving the Team State through trial and error. The fact that we have a coaches association that is willing to put in the time and effort that it takes to put on such an event is something we have taken for granted, and instead want to point out flaws if it doesn't benefit our own team or ideas. You can't please everyone. Yes, every year there are going to be teams that should have been invited and teams that probably shouldn't have been there wrestling. We don't need the IHSAA to prove a Dual Team Champion, and the IHSAA doesn't need us nor care. Make the IHSWCA event a superbowl, get your school and ADs behind it. You can't expect overnight change, but we can constantly improve the state year by year. I think an excellent point here is that Coach McCormick and those involved with putting the event together have been willing to take risks and improve upon the event. Kudos to them! I think it's important to have a constructive dialogue on how the event can be improved, and where the event is going. The more I look at Ohio's rules and guidelines, the more I agree with Fabio........an event that included all teams with 7 or more participants could be a step forward as far as including more, competitive teams and increasing the level competition, especially at the 1A level. Edited February 4, 2016 by infowrestling littlevito 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The biggest deficiency right now is that we include teams with less than 7 wrestlers in the calculations. infowrestling and bog190 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The biggest deficiency right now is that we include teams with less than 7 wrestlers in the calculations. I agree. Why should we go by IHSAA specifications when it is something they don't want to be involved with in the first place. If the Team State is an event sanctioned by the IHSWCA, then make the specifications according to the voting body and not a governing body. sslaymon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwoodjc89 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Could someone do the breakdown of what teams would be in what classes if we used teams that had 7 or more wrestlers with the current numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I agree. Why should we go by IHSAA specifications when it is something they don't want to be involved with in the first place. If the Team State is an event sanctioned by the IHSWCA, then make the specifications according to the voting body and not a governing body. As stated previously they use IHSAA regulations when it seems fit and then buck them when they also seem fit. There is no valid reason why they should include teams with less than 7 wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Could someone do the breakdown of what teams would be in what classes if we used teams that had 7 or more wrestlers with the current numbers? 93 schools in each class, this is without updated forfeits AFTER sectional Class Team 1A Indiana Deaf 1A Turkey Run 1A Rockville 1A Attica 1A North Vermillion 1A North White 1A Tri 1A Indianapolis Manual 1A Wood Memorial 1A Union City 1A West Central 1A Tecumseh 1A Southern Wells 1A Clinton Prairie 1A Wes-Del 1A North Miami 1A Tri Central 1A Triton 1A Clinton Central 1A Covington 1A Rossville 1A Cambridge City Lincoln 1A Sheridan 1A Northfield 1A LaVille 1A Fremont 1A Southwood 1A Hagerstown 1A Monroe Central 1A Carroll (Flora) 1A Hebron 1A Seeger 1A Adams Central 1A South Putnam 1A Fountain Central 1A Knightstown 1A North Knox 1A Shenandoah 1A Lake Station Edison 1A Tell City 1A South Adams 1A Eastside 1A Winamac 1A Milan 1A Churubusco 1A River Forest 1A Westview 1A Elwood 1A Forest Park 1A Eastern Hancock 1A Wabash 1A Central Noble 1A Cloverdale 1A Indianapolis Howe Community 1A Indianapolis Scecina 1A Northeastern 1A Frankton 1A Taylor 1A Monrovia 1A Southwestern (Hanover) 1A Eastern (Pekin) 1A South Spencer 1A North Newton 1A Bluffton 1A Eastern (Greentown) 1A Prairie Heights 1A Winchester 1A Triton Central 1A Speedway 1A Cascade 1A Delphi 1A Manchester 1A Lapel 1A North Putnam 1A Cass 1A Oak Hill 1A North Posey 1A Union County 1A Bremen 1A Woodlan 1A Mitchell 1A Centerville 1A Southmont 1A South Vermillion 1A Eastbrook 1A Hammond Bishop Noll 1A Whitko 1A Alexandria 1A Knox 1A Rochester 1A Blackford 1A Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter 1A Wheeler 2A Rensselaer Central 2A Southridge 2A Tipton 2A Jimtown 2A Northwestern 2A Western Boone 2A Salem 2A Pike Central 2A West Vigo 2A Andrean 2A Fairfield 2A Benton Central 2A Heritage Hills 2A Greencastle 2A Sullivan 2A Garrett 2A Indian Creek 2A Bishop Luers 2A Lawrenceburg 2A Heritage 2A North Montgomery 2A Glenn 2A Princeton 2A Lakeland 2A Maconaquah 2A Brown County 2A Crawfordsville 2A Tippecanoe Valley 2A Calumet 2A Peru 2A Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 2A Gibson Southern 2A Hamilton Heights 2A West Lafayette 2A Hanover Central 2A Bellmont 2A Mishawaka Marian 2A Washington 2A Evansville Memorial 2A Corydon Central 2A Twin Lakes 2A Greensburg 2A West Noble 2A Mount Vernon (Posey) 2A Charlestown 2A Guerin Catholic 2A Fort Wayne Concordia 2A Rushville 2A Batesville 2A Hammond 2A Norwell 2A Brebeuf Jesuit 2A Griffith 2A Yorktown 2A Vincennes Lincoln 2A Danville 2A Culver Academies 2A Edgewood 2A Hammond Clark 2A Western 2A Hammond Gavit 2A Frankfort 2A Owen Valley 2A Angola 2A Northwood 2A Scottsburg 2A Delta 2A Evansville Bosse 2A Boonville 2A Franklin County 2A Beech Grove 2A South Dearborn 2A Leo 2A South Bend St. Joseph 2A New Haven 2A Wawasee 2A New Prairie 2A Madison 2A Columbia City 2A Lebanon 2A Northview 2A Bishop Dwenger 2A Jasper 2A Kankakee Valley 2A New Palestine 2A Jay County 2A Connersville 2A Highland 2A New Castle 2A Plymouth 2A Shelbyville 2A Greenwood 2A Mount Vernon (Fortville) 3A Evansville Mater Dei 3A South Bend Washington 3A Marion 3A Evansville Harrison 3A East Chicago Central 3A Roncalli 3A Lowell 3A DeKalb 3A East Noble 3A Logansport 3A Gary West Side 3A Evansville Central 3A South Bend Clay 3A Fort Wayne Wayne 3A South Bend Riley 3A Indianapolis Cathedral 3A Seymour 3A East Central 3A Northridge 3A Hobart 3A Hammond Morton 3A Fort Wayne South Side 3A Mooresville 3A Evansville Reitz 3A Pendleton Heights 3A Richmond 3A Jennings County 3A Greenfield Central 3A Mishawaka 3A Munster 3A Columbus East 3A Plainfield 3A Martinsville 3A Bedford North Lawrence 3A Evansville North 3A Franklin Community 3A Concord 3A Huntington North 3A Decatur Central 3A Floyd Central 3A Bloomington North 3A Muncie Central 3A Michigan City 3A McCutcheon 3A South Bend Adams 3A Whiteland 3A Bloomington South 3A Harrison (wl) 3A Fort Wayne North Side 3A Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 3A Zionsville 3A Fort Wayne Snider 3A Goshen 3A Terre Haute North 3A Elkhart Central 3A Terre Haute South 3A Kokomo 3A Anderson 3A Elkhart Memorial 3A Westfield 3A Lafayette Jefferson 3A Castle 3A New Albany 3A LaPorte 3A Chesterton 3A Columbus North 3A Valparaiso 3A Southport 3A Warsaw 3A Carroll(Fort Wayne) 3A Jeffersonville 3A Fort Wayne Northrop 3A Merrillville 3A Perry Meridian 3A Lawrence North 3A Homestead 3A Lawrence Central 3A Brownsburg 3A Center Grove 3A Portage 3A Franklin Central 3A Crown Point 3A Noblesville 3A Avon 3A Fishers 3A Hamilton Southeastern 3A Pike 3A Lake Central 3A Penn 3A North Central 3A Warren Central 3A Ben Davis 3A Carmel None Indianapolis Arlington None Indianapolis Marshall None Indianapolis Northwest None Randolph Southern None Blue River Valley None Faith Christian None Frontier None Indianapolis Lutheran None Culver Community None South Newton None New Washington None Pioneer None Daleville None Lafayette Central Catholic None Caston None Indianapolis Crispus Attucks None North Judson None Wapahani None Whiting None Madison Grant None Paoli None Switzerland County None Providence None Crawford County None Indianapolis Broad Ripple None Boone Grove None Tri West None Indianapolis Washington None Mississinewa infowrestling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The biggest deficiency right now is that we include teams with less than 7 wrestlers in the calculations. I completely understand the rationale behind this since teams with less than 7 wrestlers cannot win a dual against a full team. However, that's for this season. The event is for next season. A team with 6 successful young wrestlers could very likely fill most of the weight classes the next season and be competitive. The only benefit of not counting teams with less than 7 wrestlers at Sectionals is that bigger schools will be bumped down to the lower classes. A couple of different teams would qualify for the event, a couple others wouldn't qualify. The downfall is that we're telling struggling programs that they don't count. Doesn't that go against the purpose of classing the event? How does excluding teams help their programs grow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD92 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I would also say that if the coaches of those teams that have less than 7 wrestlers are members of the IHSWCA that they should be included in the IHSWCA event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swain358 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 When we stop treating the IHSAA Individual State Point leader like the Team State Champion then I think we will start making some progress. This may sound crazy, but I wonder what the IHSAA would do if the team that scores the most points at Bankers Life decided not to accept the IHSAA Team Champion trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I completely understand the rationale behind this since teams with less than 7 wrestlers cannot win a dual against a full team. However, that's for this season. The event is for next season. A team with 6 successful young wrestlers could very likely fill most of the weight classes the next season and be competitive. The only benefit of not counting teams with less than 7 wrestlers at Sectionals is that bigger schools will be bumped down to the lower classes. A couple of different teams would qualify for the event, a couple others wouldn't qualify. The downfall is that we're telling struggling programs that they don't count. Doesn't that go against the purpose of classing the event? How does excluding teams help their programs grow? If a team enters six wrestlers in the state series and they all won state and were underclassmen they would get 150 points. In 1A and 2A they would be likely in the last voting area to get a bid. In 3A they would have no chance at a bid. Here are last year's scores for reference http://indianamat.com/index.php/topic/47812-2016-ihswca-state-duals-qualifying-scores-and-final-selections/ If they would be voted into the event with only six wrestlers I think I'd have to invest in about triple the bandwidth on this website. I would also say that if the coaches of those teams that have less than 7 wrestlers are members of the IHSWCA that they should be included in the IHSWCA event. If we did that we'd only have about 150 teams eligible for the IHSWCA duals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share Posted February 4, 2016 This is the actual breakdown based on sectional results: Class Team 1A Turkey Run 1A Rockville 1A Attica 1A North Vermillion 1A North White 1A Tri 1A Wood Memorial 1A Union City 1A West Central 1A Tecumseh 1A Southern Wells 1A Clinton Prairie 1A Wes-Del 1A North Miami 1A Triton 1A Clinton Central 1A Covington 1A Rossville 1A Cambridge City Lincoln 1A Sheridan 1A Northfield 1A LaVille 1A Fremont 1A Southwood 1A Hagerstown 1A Monroe Central 1A Carroll (Flora) 1A Hebron 1A Seeger 1A Adams Central 1A South Putnam 1A Fountain Central 1A Knightstown 1A North Knox 1A Shenandoah 1A Lake Station Edison 1A Tell City 1A South Adams 1A Eastside 1A Winamac 1A Milan 1A Churubusco 1A River Forest 1A Westview 1A Elwood 1A Forest Park 1A Eastern Hancock 1A Wabash 1A Central Noble 1A Northeastern 1A Frankton 1A Taylor 1A Monrovia 1A Southwestern (Hanover) 1A Eastern (Pekin) 1A South Spencer 1A North Newton 1A Bluffton 1A Eastern (Greentown) 1A Prairie Heights 1A Winchester 1A Triton Central 1A Cascade 1A Delphi 1A Manchester 1A Lapel 1A North Putnam 1A Cass 1A Oak Hill 1A North Posey 1A Union County 1A Bremen 1A Woodlan 1A Mitchell 1A Centerville 1A Southmont 1A South Vermillion 1A Eastbrook 1A Whitko 1A Alexandria 1A Knox 1A Rochester 1A Blackford 1A Wheeler 1A Rensselaer Central 1A Southridge 1A Tipton 1A Jimtown 1A Northwestern 2A Western Boone 2A Salem 2A Pike Central 2A West Vigo 2A Andrean 2A Fairfield 2A Benton Central 2A Heritage Hills 2A Greencastle 2A Sullivan 2A Garrett 2A Indian Creek 2A Bishop Luers 2A Lawrenceburg 2A Heritage 2A North Montgomery 2A Glenn 2A Princeton 2A Lakeland 2A Maconaquah 2A Brown County 2A Crawfordsville 2A Tippecanoe Valley 2A Calumet 2A Peru 2A Indianapolis Bishop Chatard 2A Gibson Southern 2A Hamilton Heights 2A West Lafayette 2A Hanover Central 2A Bellmont 2A Mishawaka Marian 2A Washington 2A Evansville Memorial 2A Corydon Central 2A Twin Lakes 2A Greensburg 2A West Noble 2A Mount Vernon (Posey) 2A Charlestown 2A Guerin Catholic 2A Fort Wayne Concordia 2A Rushville 2A Batesville 2A Norwell 2A Griffith 2A Yorktown 2A Vincennes Lincoln 2A Danville 2A Culver Academies 2A Edgewood 2A Hammond Clark 2A Western 2A Hammond Gavit 2A Frankfort 2A Owen Valley 2A Angola 2A Northwood 2A Scottsburg 2A Delta 2A Evansville Bosse 2A Boonville 2A Franklin County 2A Beech Grove 2A South Dearborn 2A Leo 2A South Bend St. Joseph 2A New Haven 2A Wawasee 2A New Prairie 2A Madison 2A Columbia City 2A Lebanon 2A Northview 2A Bishop Dwenger 2A Jasper 2A Kankakee Valley 2A New Palestine 2A Jay County 2A Connersville 2A Highland 2A New Castle 2A Plymouth 2A Shelbyville 2A Greenwood 2A Mount Vernon (Fortville) 2A South Bend Washington 2A Marion 3A Evansville Mater Dei 3A Evansville Harrison 3A Roncalli 3A Lowell 3A DeKalb 3A East Noble 3A Logansport 3A Gary West Side 3A Evansville Central 3A South Bend Clay 3A Fort Wayne Wayne 3A South Bend Riley 3A Indianapolis Cathedral 3A Seymour 3A East Central 3A Northridge 3A Hobart 3A Hammond Morton 3A Fort Wayne South Side 3A Mooresville 3A Evansville Reitz 3A Pendleton Heights 3A Richmond 3A Jennings County 3A Greenfield Central 3A Mishawaka 3A Munster 3A Columbus East 3A Plainfield 3A Martinsville 3A Bedford North Lawrence 3A Evansville North 3A Franklin Community 3A Concord 3A Huntington North 3A Decatur Central 3A Floyd Central 3A Bloomington North 3A Muncie Central 3A Michigan City 3A McCutcheon 3A South Bend Adams 3A Whiteland 3A Bloomington South 3A Harrison (wl) 3A Fort Wayne North Side 3A Indianapolis Arsenal Tech 3A Zionsville 3A Fort Wayne Snider 3A Goshen 3A Terre Haute North 3A Elkhart Central 3A Terre Haute South 3A Kokomo 3A Anderson 3A Elkhart Memorial 3A Westfield 3A Lafayette Jefferson 3A Castle 3A New Albany 3A LaPorte 3A Chesterton 3A Columbus North 3A Valparaiso 3A Southport 3A Warsaw 3A Carroll(Fort Wayne) 3A Jeffersonville 3A Fort Wayne Northrop 3A Merrillville 3A Perry Meridian 3A Lawrence North 3A Homestead 3A Lawrence Central 3A Brownsburg 3A Center Grove 3A Portage 3A Franklin Central 3A Crown Point 3A Noblesville 3A Avon 3A Fishers 3A Hamilton Southeastern 3A Pike 3A Lake Central 3A Penn 3A North Central 3A Warren Central 3A Ben Davis 3A Carmel None Indianapolis Arlington None Indianapolis Marshall None Indianapolis Northwest None Randolph Southern None Blue River Valley None Faith Christian None Frontier None Indianapolis Lutheran None Culver Community None South Newton None New Washington None Pioneer None Daleville None Lafayette Central Catholic None Caston None Indianapolis Crispus Attucks None North Judson None Wapahani None Whiting None Madison Grant None Paoli None Switzerland County None Providence None Crawford County None Indianapolis Broad Ripple None Boone Grove None Tri West None Indianapolis Washington None Mississinewa None East Chicago Central None Hammond Bishop Noll None Indianapolis Cardinal Ritter None Brebeuf Jesuit None Hammond None Speedway None Scecina None Howe None Cloverdale None Tri Central None Indiana Deaf None Indianapolis Manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 When we stop treating the IHSAA Individual State Point leader like the Team State Champion then I think we will start making some progress. This may sound crazy, but I wonder what the IHSAA would do if the team that scores the most points at Bankers Life decided not to accept the IHSAA Team Champion trophy. You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. The tough guy attitude with the IHSAA has gotten our sport no where with them. Our coaches association needs to work to rebuild that bridge with the IHSAA big wigs as that will do more than refusing a trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swain358 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 We still have people in our wrestling community that considers the top scoring team at Bankers Life as the Team State Champions. The division isn't helping. Smooth34 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrecoCoach Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Joe, I'll ask again - How does excluding teams help their programs grow? Why can't a team with 5 or 6 solid young wrestlers see how they compare? A coach could use that as motivation to say "See how we did with just a few guys - let's get more guys so we can do even better." If you're concerned with the data managers wasting their time calculating scores for teams with no chance, don't you think they would have complained if it was really a problem? I've done it for them. With the spreadsheets they've created, it's not too difficult to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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