decbell1 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Ranking Date: 12/14/2015 Ranking Entity: IndianaMat Ranking Type: Dual Ranking Class: All 1. Warren Central 2. Evansville Mater Dei Click here to view the team ranking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheCircle Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Good job on the rankings as always. One team that should be considered is South Bend Riley. They're really tough. Probably underrated across the state. But Riley has its best team in years. Wouldn't be surprised to see them ranked by the end of the year. Both Goerring brothers are lights out. Teague is tearing it up. Laughlin as usual is dominating and pinning just about everyone. Riley would likely beat several of the teams ranked 15-20. Matdad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtothemat Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 How about this hypothetical prediction: Mater Dei Vs BBurg: With current lineups I see 2 clear cut wins for MD and 7 for the Bulldogs and 5 too close to calls including Joe Lee vs Brayton Lee. Bam! JMILL, Anthony Snyder and InTheCircle 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheCircle Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 How about this hypothetical prediction: Mater Dei Vs BBurg: With current lineups I see 2 clear cut wins for MD and 7 for the Bulldogs and 5 too close to calls including Joe Lee vs Brayton Lee. Bam! Yep! You think Derek knows what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlevito Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Good job on the rankings as always. One team that should be considered is South Bend Riley. They're really tough. Probably underrated across the state. But Riley has its best team in years. Wouldn't be surprised to see them ranked by the end of the year. Both Goerring brothers are lights out. Teague is tearing it up. Laughlin as usual is dominating and pinning just about everyone. Riley would likely beat several of the teams ranked 15-20. SB Riley already has like 8 losses, some to unranked teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU89 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 How about this hypothetical prediction: Mater Dei Vs BBurg: With current lineups I see 2 clear cut wins for MD and 7 for the Bulldogs and 5 too close to calls including Joe Lee vs Brayton Lee. Bam! Joe by at least a major. Probably TF or Pin. loscoz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Joe by at least a major. Probably TF or Pin. That's exaggerating (Brayton showed in the offseason he can give anyone in the country a match). But I wouldn't put it in the tossup category. It would be a significant upset if Joe lost. Edited December 16, 2015 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMILL Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Yep! You think Derek knows what he's doing. As the conductor of the #paintrain he is pushing it full speed ahead and the future looks very bright. Hey co pilots Nicky Dubz and TheGreatSeymour keep bringing the coal to stoke the fire of these guys !!!! Anthony Snyder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
800lbs Gorilla Mama Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 As the conductor of the #paintrain he is pushing it full speed ahead and the future looks very bright. Hey co pilots Nicky Dubz and TheGreatSeymour keep bringing the coal to stoke the fire of these guys !!!! BB is very good. WC will give them trouble. jpt189 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio Jr. Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 WHEN WILL MATER DEI STOP TAUNTING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If that match happens Ill be excited I had so many seasons end in tears thanks to Mater Dei its just such a personal rivalry. Respect the program tremendously, Coach Schaefer has kept the prestige going and even modernized the program a bit. Not to mention you got the Lee Brothers who are 2 of the best kids I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. Here's to a "Meat grinder" of a state dual tourny.... Anthony Snyder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hook and half Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 How about this hypothetical prediction: Mater Dei Vs BBurg: With current lineups I see 2 clear cut wins for MD and 7 for the Bulldogs and 5 too close to calls including Joe Lee vs Brayton Lee. Bam! mater dei wins 2 decisions; bburg wins 7 of the "clear cuts." md wins three of the five toss ups. final score: md- 15 bburg- 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Snyder Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Mater Dei vs Brownsburg would be a heck of a match up at team state!! Snyder definitely has the Burg on the right track and they are steadily becoming one of the elite programs in Indiana. Much love for you up north D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matdad Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 SB Riley already has like 8 losses, some to unranked teams. Most of those losses were without a full varsity lineup...def could've made a difference in the win loss column. That being said Riley is stronger in the individual style then duals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 mater dei wins 2 decisions; bburg wins 7 of the "clear cuts." md wins three of the five toss ups. final score: md- 15 bburg- 27 I'm wondering how MD is holding down the #2 spot with only 4 ranked wrestlers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode#31 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Because they are Mater Dei. Their top guys always get bonus points and their less experienced guys rarely give up bonus points. However, they are losing a guaranteed 5-6 team points every meet they dont have Nick Lee in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markio Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Because they are Mater Dei. Their top guys always get bonus points and their less experienced guys rarely give up bonus points. However, they are losing a guaranteed 5-6 team points every meet they dont have Nick Lee in the lineup. His backup won last night, so not entirely true. I'm wondering how MD is holding down the #2 spot with only 4 ranked wrestlers . IMO, they usually have a few guys on the team that SHOULD be ranked but aren't. (every year they have one or two IMO) Have you seen Wildeman wrestle at 220? He is a pretty darn good wrestler and don't be surprised if he goes far this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestling Scholar Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) I'm wondering how MD is holding down the #2 spot with only 4 ranked wrestlers . We'll have more clarity after the team state tournament and we have a few more duals under the belts. Too early to complain about rankings. And I'm sure MD will show up for that event and we can see how they compare. Its a good thing we have the Team event as will give legitimate validation to the rankings. Looks like the top 6 are undefeated in duals and obviously haven't wrestled each other. I could see any of those 6 teams win the dual team state. Edited December 17, 2015 by Wrestling Scholar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode#31 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ok Markio- Mater Dei is losing 2-6 team points in every dual at team state that Nick Lee is not in the lineup. Do you think that is entirely true? No disrespect to Lees back up -- I dont see him pinning/teching the field though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IU89 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ok Markio- Mater Dei is losing 2-6 team points in every dual at team state that Nick Lee is not in the lineup. Do you think that is entirely true? No disrespect to Lees back up -- I dont see him pinning/teching the field though. He pinned or teched everyone last year except 2 matches and they both stalled the butts off so they only got majored. He only gave up an offensive point 1 time all year. He would tech or pin the entire field, so I would stay that statement would be entirely true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obeythemay Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Technically, its not 2-6 points, it's 2-12 points. The kid could step in for Lee and get stuck hypothetically. I think Brownsburg and Warren meet in the finals and we get to see the tow best coaches at their relatively new schools showing why wrestling is absolutely a coaches sport. But I'm a little bias, being as I wrestled for Tonte at Perry and helped coach Brownsburg last year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markio Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ok Markio- Mater Dei is losing 2-6 team points in every dual at team state that Nick Lee is not in the lineup. Do you think that is entirely true? No disrespect to Lees back up -- I dont see him pinning/teching the field though. He pinned or teched everyone last year except 2 matches and they both stalled the butts off so they only got majored. He only gave up an offensive point 1 time all year. He would tech or pin the entire field, so I would stay that statement would be entirely true! I agree with that as well. I'm just saying it makes it sounds like his backup is going to lose every match when in reality we don't know how it's going to pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode#31 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Iu 89- i was referring to Lees back up regarding th not pinning/teching remark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD92 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Lee's back up is very solid. Obviously, nobody expects him to go undefeated and win state like Nick would have. He is very likely a semi-state caliber wrestler, maybe even state caliber. Wrestling with Joe Lee every day will make him better and he won't see anybody on that level during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backtothemat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Okay now I'm getting real: Castle won 5 matches against MD. 5. And scored 15 points. MD's 9 wins accounted for 46 points. If you win eight matches against MD and don't have any pins you will lose by a decent margin. Wilderman wrestled 195 against Castle. He will lose only against the elite wrestler. Castle's wins: 138 Against Montgomery. He is VERY tough to beat. 132 Against Embry. He is a beast as well. 126 Against Happe. He is as seasoned as they come as a 1st year varsity wrestler. 170 Against Chandler. He is young and probably the weakest link of the MD lineup (which means he is still Varsity for 90% of the teams out there). 182 Against Orth. He is a great athlete who is getting his wrestling legs under him still after football season. And this is without Nick Lee and Will Egli in the line-up Edited December 17, 2015 by backtothemat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M109R Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) His backup won last night, so not entirely true. IMO, they usually have a few guys on the team that SHOULD be ranked but aren't. (every year they have one or two IMO) Have you seen Wildeman wrestle at 220? He is a pretty darn good wrestler and don't be surprised if he goes far this year. All the top teams have guys that could be ranked . Penn has 4-5 guys just outside the rankings , one of them pinned a 10th ranked wrestler last night . I haven't seen your #220 Wildeman , I bet he is good , ours is pretty good as well . Not dissing MD at all , but none of the top teams have wrestled each other in a dual . So paper is the only thing we can go off of . Perry , Portage , Brownsburg and Penn all have more ranked guys than MD . I was just wondering what the #2 ranking is based off of . Edited December 18, 2015 by M109R GAT36 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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